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Players Under/Out of Contract 19/20 Season

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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2019, 19:04:36 pm »

Jack Bridge is one thing that I do not understand at all. For reasons that only Curle knows, he's not rated despite arguably being our best creative player.
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2019, 19:48:05 pm »

If I was in charge ( Grin ) Id look at the facts. Since KC came in, we have produced play off form/results. So for me; an evolution, not a revolution.

Id keep Foley, Id keep Buch and Id keep John Joe. But only if they accept 1 year contracts, which in the laters case may not be the case potentially. Id try and tie up Bridge for 2 years.

Id definitely be showing the door to Powell and Bowditch, plus of course Coddington. Facey...I suspect he's on very good money, having come from Man City on a fee. So theres 4 decent wages saved for starters. Id try and move Andy Williams on. For me, he's a bog standard 4th division striker and he's 33 this year. A poor mans Rico.

Id be looking for us to sign a left back to compete with DB, a right back to compete with Goode (yes Id sign him).
Id be looking to sign 2 wingers and a striker, they would be my 'big signings'.

Cornell...I think he's become a very good goal keeper. I've gone completely full circle with him. I really do not understand why people still suggest we need better. Subjective eh!



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« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2019, 20:49:13 pm »

The only loan player I would like to keep is Goode. However, he still has a year left on his contract at Scunny, so this may not be possible.
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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2019, 23:38:20 pm »

We paid decent money for Moaris who'd just scored 12 goals in league one,  he's been injured for large spells but I still think he a lot better than the likes of Hoskins.
A Williams is our top scorer who defiantly knows where the net is.

Williams will score goals at this level of his given chances, history tells you that.

If your hoofing it  long down the channels with a lone isolated striker chasing it won't who is playing, may as well give usain bolt a contract. And as for midfiled creativity what's the point of its being bypassed by hoofing it as far as we can.

Curle needs a long hard look at himself and tactics because it's all very naive at the moment.
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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2019, 23:42:23 pm »

If I was in charge ( Grin ) Id look at the facts. Since KC came in, we have produced play off form/results. So for me; an evolution, not a revolution.

Id keep Foley, Id keep Buch and Id keep John Joe. But only if they accept 1 year contracts, which in the laters case may not be the case potentially. Id try and tie up Bridge for 2 years.

Id definitely be showing the door to Powell and Bowditch, plus of course Coddington. Facey...I suspect he's on very good money, having come from Man City on a fee. So theres 4 decent wages saved for starters. Id try and move Andy Williams on. For me, he's a bog standard 4th division striker and he's 33 this year. A poor mans Rico.

Id be looking for us to sign a left back to compete with DB, a right back to compete with Goode (yes Id sign him).
Id be looking to sign 2 wingers and a striker, they would be my 'big signings'.

Cornell...I think he's become a very good goal keeper. I've gone completely full circle with him. I really do not understand why people still suggest we need better. Subjective eh!





Disagree revolution was required last summer and it still is required. So many of the names you mention are simply not good enough. Dai has improved massivly granted but if we want to kick on to become too half/play offs we need a keeper we can trust 100% , who commands the area and had no rickets in them
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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2019, 08:22:36 am »

Completely disagree on the evolution point I'm afraid.

Many of squad have been  together for more-or-less 2 seasons now, and have proven themselves to be specialists in failure.

A wholesale clear out was needed last summer, the fact that DA failed to implement it is a key reason why we have had a long hard season this year.
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« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2019, 10:13:55 am »

Based on 2 seasons; its difficult to argue against your points.

Based on the time KC has been in charge, stats and results clearly show this current lot would be capable of mounting a play off push if kept as it was. Which Im not suggesting we do, far from it. I want a team capable of a top3 attempt.

People talk about style of play, that we are boring to watch etc. Its impossible to disagree...because we are. BUT. No manager could get a blend of positive results AND classy play with this current squad. We simply do not have any exciting, effective players. Our strikers are robust and workmanlike, our wingers...we don't have any, Powell excepted. So we are forced to play robust type players in the wide areas.

2 of our 7 defeats (over 28 games) since KC has been here, have come away from home where we have had significant injury problems and have played kids in key positions. Cambridge and Cheltenham. On both occasions, it showed that the depth of the squad is the problem, more so than the starting X1. When it comes to sticking out a side that can grind out a result.

I therefore conclude that if we had a handful of expansive, exciting players to call upon, the dynamics of the team would be totally different, the style of play would be far more pleasing on the eye and we would create and score more goals.

We have a back4 and keeper whom are good enough. A central midfield that is more than adequate. Add Nicky Adams, Ricky Holmes to it and Rico (of course Im talking hypothetically) we would be at the same level as 3 years ago. Or not far off of it. Getting those players within budget will be very challenging, we know that. But I hope that its possible given the number of out of contract players and a handful of ones who are on contracts that I deem not good enough, whom collectively will be earning very big money.

Im not sure what people expect. I've read many comments on this website that alludes to KC's style of play, but for me its blatantly obvious why we are playing like we are. To get results. Austin tried differently, look where that got us. Back then we had two creative flair players but they massively lacked consistency.

We have a solid base to work from. We just need to add quality to it, in my opinion.
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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2019, 11:47:37 am »

One of the things that needs to happen if the young lads are to come through is that they need to get some physical size behind them .
Clearly this isn’t a natural thing for teenagers but the club have to get them on weight gain programmes early on.
It looks to me that they all need to put on about 5 kilos .
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« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2019, 12:38:10 pm »

One of the things that needs to happen if the young lads are to come through is that they need to get some physical size behind them .
Clearly this isn’t a natural thing for teenagers but the club have to get them on weight gain programmes early on.
It looks to me that they all need to put on about 5 kilos .

I agree entirely - all of the youth players including Jay Williams are all very slight.  That’s one of the biggest differences between premiership/championship youngsters and ours - their kids are noticeably bigger. Surely all it would take is for our fitness coaches to just copy what the top clubs do in terms of weight training etc or am I being naive?
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« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2019, 12:39:46 pm »

It will be interesting to see who KC offers new contracts to , even if they are on vastly reduced terms .
It may not be necessarily to those that we all think deserve it .
For example , will he offer Buchanan a year deal on reduced terms as cover ?
Will he think that Foley or JJOT are on inflated wages for what contribution they make ?
Will he see Daniel Powell as a good impact sub ? ( god help us ) .
Will he transfer list Hoskins despite being in contract ?
I think there might be a few surprises.
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« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2019, 13:05:22 pm »

Will he offer Buchanan a year deal on reduced terms as cover ? - YES
Will he think that Foley or JJOT are on inflated wages for what contribution they make ? - YES DEFINITELY
Will he see Daniel Powell as a good impact sub ? ( god help us ) - NOT UNLESS HE WANTS AN EARLY DEPARTURE
Will he transfer list Hoskins despite being in contract ? FINGERS CROSSED
I think there might be a few surprises - NONE OF THE ABOVE WOULD BE A SURPRISE THOUGH
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« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2019, 13:11:52 pm »

One of the things that needs to happen if the young lads are to come through is that they need to get some physical size behind them .
Clearly this isn’t a natural thing for teenagers but the club have to get them on weight gain programmes early on.
It looks to me that they all need to put on about 5 kilos .
So you would not pick an 18 year old Messi?
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« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2019, 13:30:37 pm »


So offering Buchs a new contract and allowing Foley and JJOT to go is not a surprise ? Releasing Hoskins after starting nearly all games under Curle ?
I think most would disagree with you .
This is what I’m saying - it’s not as clear cut as everyone thinks . There will be some surprises in my view .
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« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2019, 13:34:28 pm »

So you would not pick an 18 year old Messi?
Ridiculous comment of the day award !
None of our youth players are a Messi and this is division 2 . Of course there is a place for wispy lightweight players with lots of skill but most of the lads coming through are defensive minded players that need some size on their side ( pollock excepted )
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« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2019, 15:29:20 pm »

I agree entirely - all of the youth players including Jay Williams are all very slight.  That’s one of the biggest differences between premiership/championship youngsters and ours - their kids are noticeably bigger. Surely all it would take is for our fitness coaches to just copy what the top clubs do in terms of weight training etc or am I being naive?

Honestly I do think that is a little naïve yes. Physical development will be a very individual thing. Almost the worst thing you do to a Morgan Roberts for example is say "have you seen the size of that Jadon Sancho, do exactly the same programme as him". That's the path to long term injury, I might be wrong but I think Lewis Hornby would be our canary in the coal mine on that front.

The club have sports scientists and strength and conditioning coaches, these guys wont always get it right but they will know what they are doing. The youth team have just appointed a full time sports scientist as well I believe.

I'll be honest, I've not been Curle's biggest fan but I do think he can't really win with the young players. I think it is on the 'views on Curle' thread that Meccano, Boot & Shoe and Mathius have all said things along the line of him not rating them, not being interested in them, that we are in danger of losing our golden generation. He is then criticised by others for playing them over more experienced options. It show's how difficult it is to blood a large number of youngsters in the same season. Ideally you want 1 or 2 to break through per season so you can drop them in and out of the team for periods and let them develop, both physically and mentally.
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« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2019, 15:32:38 pm »

Cheers TP for reposting in this. The club has to be very ruthless this summer. I'd honestly not give contracts to any who's deals runs out and that does include JJ (Heart breaking as JJOT Day came from me). For the money that we are paying Buchs, Foley, Facey, JJOT, the two stealing a living in Powell and Bowditch, we could comfortably get 10 good players for this level. I know people will want to keen Buchs for sentimental reasons and Foley because he's oddly rated but hope that neither remain.

You've then got to look at those in contract. Waters is sure to go. Pierre and Turnbull will definitely have interest in both and I'd be surprised if we managed to keep either. I'd also be fairly surprised if K.C wanted to keep Andy Williams or Morias. Potentially we need at least 10 to 15 signed in the summer.

Top of the list has to be at least two creative wingers. Followed by a minimum of two strikers. One will no doubt  be a hold up player (please not Jabo Ibehre). Then I'd certainly invest in a number 1. Cornell has improved for sure this season, but if we want a top 7 place then would be wise to get better.

For the third summer in a row... i am not optimist that this will happen
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« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2019, 18:02:06 pm »

For the third summer in a row... i am not optimist that this will happen

Same. But live in hope  Undecided
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« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2019, 18:40:40 pm »

So you would not pick an 18 year old Messi?

Even messi at 18 would not have been pushed off the ball as young Hughes was on Saturday and higher is suppose to be a centre half. He is physically lightyears away from playing 1at team football in lg2 I'm sorry to say
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« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2019, 07:59:42 am »

It was also the problem with Poole last season - he wasn’t physical enough as a youngster at centre half .
I do accept that Warburton and McPherson were not the tallest but they were very strong and timed their jumps very well .
The main thing is to take your chance when offered it and make an impression . Both Toney and McWiliams did that and it would be nice to see one of the new crop really grip a game .
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« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2019, 08:29:23 am »

I'll be honest, I've not been Curle's biggest fan but I do think he can't really win with the young players. I think it is on the 'views on Curle' thread that Meccano, Boot & Shoe and Mathius have all said things along the line of him not rating them, not being interested in them, that we are in danger of losing our golden generation. He is then criticised by others for playing them over more experienced options. It show's how difficult it is to blood a large number of youngsters in the same season. Ideally you want 1 or 2 to break through per season so you can drop them in and out of the team for periods and let them develop, both physically and mentally.


The criticism is for starting them over the more experienced players.  There is a time to introduce 16 year-olds to first team action and Saturday was not that time.  Its no coincidence that when you look at our recent defeats, we were giving full debuts to youth team players...
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