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« Reply #26640 on: February 21, 2020, 16:09:05 pm »

Whilst our club and council seem to have taken 18 months so far to change a bit on some leases which have still not been signed off, our old friends Peterborough have managed to negotiate a deal to buy London Road and surrounding land from the council for just over £5m, have identified with the council some land on which to build a new 20000 capacity ground upon with the aim of opening in three years time, this enabling them to sell the newly acquired old ground for demolition and housing development. Theyíve done all that in 8 months.
Obviously the Peterborough City Council wheels donít move as slowly as the NBC wheels!

I'm sure if you asked KT, he would state that he is attempting to mirror what they are doing. You then have to decide if you believe him. 

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« Reply #26641 on: February 21, 2020, 17:22:20 pm »

I believe that some people went to the fans advisory meeting and said that they would not renew their STs and would never come back if their seat became a terrace.
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« Reply #26642 on: February 22, 2020, 20:37:52 pm »

I know what you mean.
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« Reply #26643 on: Yesterday at 09:00:20 »

Whilst our club and council seem to have taken 18 months so far to change a bit on some leases which have still not been signed off, our old friends Peterborough have managed to negotiate a deal to buy London Road and surrounding land from the council for just over £5m, have identified with the council some land on which to build a new 20000 capacity ground upon with the aim of opening in three years time, this enabling them to sell the newly acquired old ground for demolition and housing development. Theyíve done all that in 8 months.
Obviously the Peterborough City Council wheels donít move as slowly as the NBC wheels!
They've been arguing with the council since 2012, refused to pay rent in 2013, agreed to buy the ground in 2018 but didnt happen because of a land agreement, then agreed it last year. So yes since both parties agreed its taken 8 months but was going on for years before.
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« Reply #26644 on: Yesterday at 12:29:57 »

They've been arguing with the council since 2012, refused to pay rent in 2013, agreed to buy the ground in 2018 but didnt happen because of a land agreement, then agreed it last year. So yes since both parties agreed its taken 8 months but was going on for years before.

Maybe, but their aim is to build a new stadium, not to complete one crappy stand.
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« Reply #26645 on: Yesterday at 12:54:16 »

Maybe, but their aim is to build a new stadium, not to complete one crappy stand.

You are going to set the Anti KT brigade off with that comment.
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« Reply #26646 on: Yesterday at 13:09:26 »

Maybe, but their aim is to build a new stadium, not to complete one crappy stand.
So might only take us 2 months then instead of 8 to finalise the agreement.
I was more pointing out that their process also had years of stand off between the council and the owners over the land before an agreement was made and wasnt just the 8 months as was suggested.
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« Reply #26647 on: Yesterday at 16:14:25 »

Maybe, but their aim is to build a new stadium, not to complete one crappy stand.

There is no comparison on any level.
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« Reply #26648 on: Yesterday at 17:19:22 »

So might only take us 2 months then instead of 8 to finalise the agreement.
I was more pointing out that their process also had years of stand off between the council and the owners over the land before an agreement was made and wasnt just the 8 months as was suggested.

We had the standoff when it came to changing the leases....but I thought this was agreed 18 months ago.......just hasn't been signed off by the owners yet we are told. There was of course work done to "normalise" the leases for many months and years before that.
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« Reply #26649 on: Yesterday at 18:38:44 »

There has been nothing to stop KT finishing the East Since since the day he took over the club.  He is an expert at kicking the can down the road and will continue to do just that for as long as he is allowed to by our placid supporter base. 

Our owners have the money but they don't have the will. 
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« Reply #26650 on: Yesterday at 18:41:37 »

There is no comparison on any level.

I wasn't the one who compared the two situations. But I'd agree you're right in saying the cases differ massively, because it's obvious those up the road are actively trying to progress things, and in so doing they hope to advance the club.  Wink

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« Reply #26651 on: Yesterday at 22:28:06 »

The thing is £4million to complete the East Stand, (if that is the figure) will never generate enough income to justify the expense. You'd want a big increase in capacity and corporate facilities in any expansion plans. The East Stand in its current shell doesn't give us that.
Is it not called the Alwyn Hargrave Stand anymore btw?
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« Reply #26652 on: Today at 07:45:45 »

The thing is £4million to complete the East Stand, (if that is the figure) will never generate enough income to justify the expense. You'd want a big increase in capacity and corporate facilities in any expansion plans. The East Stand in its current shell doesn't give us that.
Is it not called the Alwyn Hargrave Stand anymore btw?


Think small and you stay small.  That is the problem we have with our current and previous owners.  Good, progressive ownership backed by owners willing to invest long-term has never happened in Northampton and so why should we ever believe that it will?   Meanwhile consider what is in progress at what we like to think of as rival clubs like Posh, MK and Luton.  We are being left behind in their wake.

The plain facts are that our owners were allowed to buy the club for a nominal £1.00 by the Council on the understanding they would complete the stand.  KT gave proof of funds to NBC he now says of £11 million.  At the time in November 2015 the £4 million was said to be available by KT to finish the stand and invest in the club.  The failure was by the Council in not tying down KT/DB in legally binding document with a timetable. Not the first instance of ineptness by the Council in its Sixfields dealings.  We the supporters have been let down by both our owners and the Council.

As to the price of finishing the East Stand to anything remotely acceptable, no plans or costings have been published by KT who continues to operate in a secretive, opaque way. The lack of transparency is very suitable for his modus operandi and if the reaction of some supporters is deep suspicion KT can hardly complain .  KT/DB were only able to acquire CDNL from its Liquidator for £170,000 by them striking a deal with Buckingham Group, the main creditor of CDNL.  On what terms that deal was struck have never been disclosed.  Another example of opaqueness. 

On the major matter of club infrastructure our owners are failing the supporters.  Every decision is delayed, the latest example being safe-standing after KTís own survey showed a 85% majority of those canvassed in favour.  KT now wants further consultation on safe-standing but there is absolutely no consultation with supporters on the East Stand or wider development plans.

If supporters think it sufficient that the the owners pay the day to day overheads so that supporters can tip up every 2 weeks to watch L2 football (mingled with occasional short-lived forays in L1) and even after over 4 years of spin remain hopeful that under the current ownership something good may happen with the stadium at some indeterminable date in the future then I differ with them. 

For me a better future lies with adopting the Bundesliga form of ownership with the majority control of the club in community hands and local businesses being involved as investors.  It works well in Germany and we can repeat the best aspects and adapt it to our English needs.  Community ownership is increasing elsewhere, especially in Scotland where Hearts, Motherwell, St Mirren and Partick Thistle are leading the way.  It should come to Northampton. 

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« Reply #26653 on: Today at 11:38:43 »

Think small and you stay small.  That is the problem we have with our current and previous owners.  Good, progressive ownership backed by owners willing to invest long-term has never happened in Northampton and so why should we ever believe that it will?   Meanwhile consider what is in progress at what we like to think of as rival clubs like Posh, MK and Luton.  We are being left behind in their wake.

The plain facts are that our owners were allowed to buy the club for a nominal £1.00 by the Council on the understanding they would complete the stand.  KT gave proof of funds to NBC he now says of £11 million.  At the time in November 2015 the £4 million was said to be available by KT to finish the stand and invest in the club.  The failure was by the Council in not tying down KT/DB in legally binding document with a timetable. Not the first instance of ineptness by the Council in its Sixfields dealings.  We the supporters have been let down by both our owners and the Council.

As to the price of finishing the East Stand to anything remotely acceptable, no plans or costings have been published by KT who continues to operate in a secretive, opaque way. The lack of transparency is very suitable for his modus operandi and if the reaction of some supporters is deep suspicion KT can hardly complain .  KT/DB were only able to acquire CDNL from its Liquidator for £170,000 by them striking a deal with Buckingham Group, the main creditor of CDNL.  On what terms that deal was struck have never been disclosed.  Another example of opaqueness. 

On the major matter of club infrastructure our owners are failing the supporters.  Every decision is delayed, the latest example being safe-standing after KTís own survey showed a 85% majority of those canvassed in favour.  KT now wants further consultation on safe-standing but there is absolutely no consultation with supporters on the East Stand or wider development plans.

If supporters think it sufficient that the the owners pay the day to day overheads so that supporters can tip up every 2 weeks to watch L2 football (mingled with occasional short-lived forays in L1) and even after over 4 years of spin remain hopeful that under the current ownership something good may happen with the stadium at some indeterminable date in the future then I differ with them. 

For me a better future lies with adopting the Bundesliga form of ownership with the majority control of the club in community hands and local businesses being involved as investors.  It works well in Germany and we can repeat the best aspects and adapt it to our English needs.  Community ownership is increasing elsewhere, especially in Scotland where Hearts, Motherwell, St Mirren and Partick Thistle are leading the way.  It should come to Northampton. 


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« Reply #26654 on: Today at 11:54:37 »

There is absolutely no reason at all why KT and the board cannot update everyone on why the East Stand has not progressed.
People have the right to know because they took the club over saying they would complete it . They havenít done so and itís a mess .
The football club lacks leadership and purpose . We are drifting and no one seems to really care apart from the supporters .
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« Reply #26655 on: Today at 13:23:22 »

From the outside, the club appears to be drifting along, being taken whichever way the prevailing wind of the on field football takes us.
The perception is that there is very little influence on that direction by any other forces to build up a head of steam to reach a targeted destination.
We may reach that destination or we may end up shipwrecked on a deserted beach.  But with a lack of on-board announcements the passengers continue to speculate on whether we will have the appropriate clothing, visa's, inoculations and wherewithal to sustain us at the ports along the way...or should they disembark at the next port of call?
I sense that the frustration is mounting and could gather significant momentum. 
The captain of the ship has no obligation to inform the passengers of the intended navigable course and destination but in order to keep them from the prospect of a mutiny or disembarking at the next opportunity, I would suggest that an announcement of substance and believe-ability (not the bland of the past) would go some way towards averting that and bring us all a lot closer together.
 
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« Reply #26656 on: Today at 13:52:53 »

From the outside, the club appears to be drifting along, being taken whichever way the prevailing wind of the on field football takes us.
The perception is that there is very little influence on that direction by any other forces to build up a head of steam to reach a targeted destination.
We may reach that destination or we may end up shipwrecked on a deserted beach.  But with a lack of on-board announcements the passengers continue to speculate on whether we will have the appropriate clothing, visa's, inoculations and wherewithal to sustain us at the ports along the way...or should they disembark at the next port of call?
I sense that the frustration is mounting and could gather significant momentum. 
The captain of the ship has no obligation to inform the passengers of the intended navigable course and destination but in order to keep them from the prospect of a mutiny or disembarking at the next opportunity, I would suggest that an announcement of substance and believe-ability (not the bland of the past) would go some way towards averting that and bring us all a lot closer together.
 


Agreed.

Alternatively, it's called managing your customers' expectations ... personally I'd prefer bad news to no news/wild speculation.
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