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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2019, 07:48:35 am »

I'm all for progress but just to be clear, you think the club will be taking a positive step forwards by erecting the pipework as seen in the link throughout the North or at least a section of the North?

Probably need a bit of context here. The nearest safe standing system in use similar to the bar the Cobblers have installed is at Orlando City who have a fantastic safe standing area. Although their bars are more streamlined than the shall we say "industrial" scaffolding type that the club are safety testing.

https://twitter.com/stevenpowell4/status/871832237762908160

The club are going to enter into full consultation regarding safe standing and you would assume that also means where it can be installed and the actual system used, based on various factors including future-proofing, cost and, obviously safety.

That the project has progressed is a good example of positive and focused work between the club, the Standing At Sixfields Group and the Trust.

If anyone has ideas on where standing would benefit the ground why not respond here.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2019, 12:53:09 pm »

Nice to see a couple of examples of why this club will never move forwards.
Thomas and cardoza?
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2019, 13:01:22 pm »

Probably need a bit of context here. The nearest safe standing system in use similar to the bar the Cobblers have installed is at Orlando City who have a fantastic safe standing area. Although their bars are more streamlined than the shall we say "industrial" scaffolding type that the club are safety testing.

https://twitter.com/stevenpowell4/status/871832237762908160

The club are going to enter into full consultation regarding safe standing and you would assume that also means where it can be installed and the actual system used, based on various factors including future-proofing, cost and, obviously safety.

That the project has progressed is a good example of positive and focused work between the club, the Standing At Sixfields Group and the Trust.

If anyone has ideas on where standing would benefit the ground why not respond here.

Standard terracing that is all ticketed, well stewarded to avoid over crowding is essentially safe standing,  all this nonsence about putting some railed seating in the tiny stands needs to be killed off before anymore oxygen is wasted on what is in essence a diversionary tactic from our useless club officials in order to avoid the major issues strangling  our club.

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 13:13:20 pm »

Standard terracing that is all ticketed, well stewarded to avoid over crowding is essentially safe standing,  all this nonsence about putting some railed seating in the tiny stands needs to be killed off before anymore oxygen is wasted on what is in essence a diversionary tactic from our useless club officials in order to avoid the major issues strangling  our club.


hello wally.

https://sgsa.org.uk/resource/installing-dual-purpose-seating-and-standing-areas/

basically, you dont want us in the championship any time soon (as unlikely as that is anyway)
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 13:15:38 pm »

apologies for introducing some laws and facts to your mind
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 20:03:30 pm »

hello wally.

https://sgsa.org.uk/resource/installing-dual-purpose-seating-and-standing-areas/

basically, you dont want us in the championship any time soon (as unlikely as that is anyway)
Brentford Have played several years in the championship with old school terracing,  that what you linked is out of date old hat.
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2019, 20:21:55 pm »

Not reading this thread, but can say that Burton Albion has Safe Standing...I don't think they've got any 'lads'!
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2019, 20:40:41 pm »

Brentford Have played several years in the championship with old school terracing,  that what you linked is out of date old hat.
https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2018/june/terracing-retained-june-2018/

Why do you keep doing it to yourself?
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2019, 21:17:52 pm »

So not only must with to the Championship we need to stay for at least 6 season before we have to convert to seating

I with Beds (again) this railed seating is a load of political correct / health & safety bulls***

There are umpteen examples of standing in league 1 and 2 and quite a few examples of unsafe seating bolted in - Charlton and Luton spring to mind

All stands are monitored and counted so very easy to see capacity and any problems, plus the biggest problem was pitch side fencing which is obviously not there
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2019, 22:53:23 pm »

So not only must with to the Championship we need to stay for at least 6 season before we have to convert to seating

I with Beds (again) this railed seating is a load of political correct / health & safety bulls***

There are umpteen examples of standing in league 1 and 2 and quite a few examples of unsafe seating bolted in - Charlton and Luton spring to mind

All stands are monitored and counted so very easy to see capacity and any problems, plus the biggest problem was pitch side fencing which is obviously not there

Within three seasons...
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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2019, 00:39:03 am »

So not only must with to the Championship we need to stay for at least 6 season before we have to convert to seating

I with Beds (again) this railed seating is a load of political correct / health & safety bulls***

There are umpteen examples of standing in league 1 and 2 and quite a few examples of unsafe seating bolted in - Charlton and Luton spring to mind

All stands are monitored and counted so very easy to see capacity and any problems, plus the biggest problem was pitch side fencing which is obviously not there
Exactly, why worry about minor things like legislation, rules and all that cr@p. Let’s do what we want when we want on a whim and damn the consequences? This idea about the club doing an exercise to test feasibility and fan reactions is a total waste of our time. Let’s just get on with it, what could possibly wrong and after all it’s someone else’s money not ours so who cares?
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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2019, 06:35:47 am »

The feeling within the industry is the legislation will change within a year as so many Premier League clubs are in favour. Wolves have installed 5 different safe standing systems and are testing them all. Cobblers could just stick the seats back in, in the somewhat unlikely event we are in the Championship for 3 seasons and the legislation hasn't changed by then. There's also the argument that the North for instance would need a complete overhaul anyway in relation to sustained Championship or Premier league football. It'd be a different ball game.

I'm a big fan of standard terracing but don't believe that it will be allowed in the upper echelons of the game. The rake (incline) of our existing stands is to steep for it. Could you consider a new terraced home end with provision to install safe standing? Yes but you'd likely take a hit on a really good imposing rake.
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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2019, 07:36:30 am »

The Lincoln away stand still has the steps to enable them to remove the bolt on seats if they want to revert back to standing, our North Stand doesn't therefore that would need safely inserting in accordance with H&S regulations...and as Meccano says the incline of our stand is too steep?
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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2019, 08:07:12 am »

No I don’t want standing of any kind .
Pointless .
Just get the existing stand finished first .
That’s the top and bottom of it .
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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2019, 12:46:32 pm »

yes 3 years but Brentford have had terracing for 5 seasons in Championship, pretty sure we would be given the same opportunity. Still same negative no can-do attitude from same posters !!!!

By the time we ever got there pretty sure the current regulations would have long changed.

With ours can we just have a rail for each step, it was the railed seat that would never be used is just a waste of time and money. Would think you could increase capacity by 25% and give people the easier choice of being together and hopefully improving the atmosphere.

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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2019, 13:30:05 pm »

yes 3 years but Brentford have had terracing for 5 seasons in Championship, pretty sure we would be given the same opportunity. Still same negative no can-do attitude from same posters !!!!

By the time we ever got there pretty sure the current regulations would have long changed.

With ours can we just have a rail for each step, it was the railed seat that would never be used is just a waste of time and money. Would think you could increase capacity by 25% and give people the easier choice of being together and hopefully improving the atmosphere.


They have only been given 5/6 years grace because of their intended relocation/rebuild of the existing stadium.
Not negative (I am assuming that you are throwing the over size cap towards me), just fed up with reading things from the same posters that; do not pay attention to the detail of what is written in front of them, continue using phrases like "pretty sure", "would think", "hopefully improve", plus many of similar tone and meaning in their arguments and then expect the rest of us to believe what they are spouting.
I am still waiting for someone (your leader) to factually convince me that I should join the band of revolutionaries!

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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2019, 13:56:36 pm »

The club won't be considering standard terracing in the ground's current configuration. The rake/depth of the steps aren't considered workable.

The club is currently testing a safe standing bar system. Whether this will mean the removal of the seats is yet to be confirmed.

The club could build a new stand should it wish with standard terracing with the provision of seats or rail seats to be added if needed. Howevee such a setup might mean a less than desirable incline in the stand.

Still v early and still no guarantees that it will see the light of day. Nor what is presented will be conducive to building a high class stadium

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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2019, 14:25:20 pm »

For those worrying about what will happen when we get to the Championship, it's been 52 years since we were last there and I think we are as far away as we've ever been at the moment !   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2019, 14:49:33 pm »

For those worrying about what will happen when we get to the Championship, it's been 52 years since we were last there and I think we are as far away as we've ever been at the moment !   Roll Eyes

You're not being negative are you?  Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2019, 15:10:11 pm »

We haven’t even got safe seating (east stand)
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