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« Reply #80 on: April 22, 2019, 19:15:22 pm » |
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And I don’t know where you’ve pulled the 600+ from as he’s managed 455 games - have you rounded up for effect?
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« Reply #81 on: April 22, 2019, 19:16:54 pm » |
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CW had a run of 12 defeats in 15 when he was here and was given time to mould the squad and style that he wanted - the rest is history.
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« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2019, 19:47:45 pm » |
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I don’t really get your point - so it’s because KC has a lot of experience as a manager that he is not getting as fair a shake as DA who hadn’t? Are we going to keep using his CV and a perceived lack of style (I don’t recall his Mansfield side playing negative football and I thought his Carlisle sides would tend to draw 3-3/win or lose 4-3) to keep battering him with?
I was merely explaining why people don't give KC as much "shake" as you put it. I used a large number so you got the idea that he has managed a lot more games than Austin. I don't like the constant tinkering and mind numbing substitutions, we were warned by Carlise fans on this very site. You seem confused, hope this helps.
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« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2019, 19:49:33 pm » |
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They’re not exactly like for like players are they, Adams is an out and out old fashioned winger while Hoskins is a utility forward - equally average in a variety of positions.
equally average my @rse
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« Reply #84 on: April 22, 2019, 19:53:06 pm » |
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Not if you read the Twitter feed of the chron journalist, he said it was harsh on cobblers but that doesn’t fit your agenda does it.
Quote from Macc Cobbler (who I have a lot of respect for) Shocking second half .... Thought every substitution in the second half weakened the team as a unit. A massive clear out at the end of season; is KC the man to drive us forward only time will tell, but fear for another attritional season Id rather take his view that a journalist, and a poor journalist at that
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« Reply #85 on: April 22, 2019, 20:01:29 pm » |
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If you saw Bowditch and Marais today you would pay to keep Hoskins and pension off the named two above That comment alone Nevers, really does sum up your footballing intellect. Anyone who would keep Hoskins over Morais really does need help!
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« Reply #86 on: April 22, 2019, 20:02:27 pm » |
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Quote from Macc Cobbler (who I have a lot of respect for) Shocking second half .... Thought every substitution in the second half weakened the team as a unit.
A massive clear out at the end of season; is KC the man to drive us forward only time will tell, but fear for another attritional season
Id rather take his view that a journalist, and a poor journalist at that
Fair play, it’s all about opinions - I was just putting the other side of the argument across as a lot of people seem to be pi**ing their knickers on this forum at the moment.
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« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2019, 20:03:16 pm » |
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So was CW - Einstein
CW that achieved promotion at both Halifax and Oxford??? How many promotions has Curle had in his 450+ games Nevers? I'm not saying he never will, just history says he never has.
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« Reply #88 on: April 22, 2019, 20:07:25 pm » |
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I was merely explaining why people don't give KC as much "shake" as you put it. I used a large number so you got the idea that he has managed a lot more games than Austin. I don't like the constant tinkering and mind numbing substitutions, we were warned by Carlise fans on this very site. You seem confused, hope this helps.
I’m not confused at all, I don’t particularly like some of the team selections and substitutions either but I’d like to think I’ve got a slightly more nuanced view than to swallow what some disgruntled supporters of his former clubs have to say hook line and sinker. I’ll reserve my judgment until 10/15 games into next season.
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« Reply #89 on: April 22, 2019, 20:09:07 pm » |
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CW had a run of 12 defeats in 15 when he was here and was given time to mould the squad and style that he wanted - the rest is history.
The difference is tho Irchy - he bought people in who made as real difference and you could see why he bought them in - yes it might has been ugly early on, but he had a plan and built a team initially around that. Curle has not done that in anyway shape of form so far. The people he has bought in have been less effective than what we had before and there has been not obvious plan of consistency other than hoofing it down the channels and chasing it. I'm not saying he won't get it right given time and he will get that time - But what I would say is unlike KC you could see what Wilder was trying to achieve more or less from day 1 and he had a plan. Time will tell and I hope you are right and I am wrong. My worry is with KT here, he will settle for us being a mid table mediocre side and history says KC will achieve that - like I say hope I'm wrong
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« Reply #90 on: April 22, 2019, 20:11:58 pm » |
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I’m not confused at all, I don’t particularly like some of the team selections and substitutions either but I’d like to think I’ve got a slightly more nuanced view than to swallow what some disgruntled supporters of his former clubs have to say hook line and sinker. I’ll reserve my judgment until 10/15 games into next season.
That is the time to judge him as they will be his players and his system by then - there will be nothing from him to hide behind. Over to you KC
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« Reply #91 on: April 22, 2019, 20:14:03 pm » |
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CW that achieved promotion at both Halifax and Oxford???
How many promotions has Curle had in his 450+ games Nevers?
I'm not saying he never will, just history says he never has.
I’m pretty sure that CW didn’t win promotion with Halifax and the Oxford promotion was from the conference (and if I remember rightly a lot of their fans hated him - sound familiar?) - KC has been a league manager all his career. We can squabble about this all day long as in a lot of cases with managers it is right place right time and we’ve just got to hope this is the case for KC.
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« Reply #92 on: April 22, 2019, 21:00:35 pm » |
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VAR will ruin this division.
is it coming into league 2? I heard the Prem only.
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« Reply #93 on: April 22, 2019, 21:02:34 pm » |
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I’m pretty sure that CW didn’t win promotion with Halifax and the Oxford promotion was from the conference (and if I remember rightly a lot of their fans hated him - sound familiar?) - KC has been a league manager all his career. We can squabble about this all day long as in a lot of cases with managers it is right place right time and we’ve just got to hope this is the case for KC.
CW is probably one of the best managers outside of the Prem, soon to be in it, are you seriously comparing him to KC?
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« Reply #94 on: April 22, 2019, 21:10:37 pm » |
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I’m pretty sure that CW didn’t win promotion with Halifax and the Oxford promotion was from the conference (and if I remember rightly a lot of their fans hated him - sound familiar?) - KC has been a league manager all his career. We can squabble about this all day long as in a lot of cases with managers it is right place right time and we’ve just got to hope this is the case for KC.
Not false news again and this from a 'fan' who rarely if ever goes to games.
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« Reply #95 on: April 22, 2019, 21:13:33 pm » |
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CW is probably one of the best managers outside of the Prem, soon to be in it, are you seriously comparing him to KC?
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying 🙄 you’ve really got your finger on the pulse of this conversation haven’t you. The comparison is that both of them took over with the club at a low ebb - don’t get me wrong CW pulled off a miracle keeping us up - CW then went through a very sticky spell where he could easily have been sacked but he was given time and patience which paid off, all I am saying is that KC deserves the same. There is very little chance that he will be as successful as CW was but who knows in football.
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« Reply #96 on: April 22, 2019, 21:19:41 pm » |
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I was merely explaining why people don't give KC as much "shake" as you put it. I used a large number so you got the idea that he has managed a lot more games than Austin. I don't like the constant tinkering and mind numbing substitutions, we were warned by Carlise fans on this very site. You seem confused, hope this helps.
He got you there Manny boyo.
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« Reply #97 on: April 22, 2019, 21:52:37 pm » |
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Bow down to the 254 Cobblers at Gigg Lane today, fair play! See you at Oldham!
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« Reply #98 on: April 22, 2019, 22:01:24 pm » |
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is it coming into league 2? I heard the Prem only.
It was discussed on BBC RN on Friday I seem to recall. £40-50k to install. Suggestion was it'd end up Championship clubs wanting it once the Prem have used it next season. Then the rest of the FL likely to follow.
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« Reply #99 on: April 22, 2019, 22:07:31 pm » |
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Shocking second half .... Thought every substitution in the second half weakened the team as a unit.
A massive clear out at the end of season; is KC the man to drive us forward only time will tell, but fear for another attritional season
Actually Macc I don't quite agree with you on all the substitutions . After our chat at end of the game were we both agreed it was a poor 2nd half particularly from the forwards neither of us actually blamed KC for making the substitutions; in fact the 3-1 scoreline flattered Bury. I thought that KC was correct in replacing Pollock who was tiring and our midfield was being over run; Bowditch at the time seemed a reasonable ploy and worked ok for a little while, unfortunately after a decent run and after making space for himself Bowditch promptly squared a pass direct to a Bury player. This infuriated an already frustrated support. Bridges came on for Facey who was hardly distinguishing himself; indeed he was blamed by some for their equalizer. Bridges gave us some width but by then Bury had their tails up. Buchanan substitution by Morais was a disaster but I applaud KC for at least trying to get something from the game. It failed/backfired as Morais was easily handled by their defense. Irchy Cobbler is quite right in quoting CW having a lot of defeats prior to his eventual success. If KC knows what he wants and gets some decent players in then he may well imitate Wilder.
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