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That comment alone Nevers, really does sum up your footballing intellect.
Anyone who would keep Hoskins over Morais really does need help!
Was a tongue in cheek comment  Frankly you go to too few games to form a proper opinion as you can only get a decent impression of a player based on how he plays in an away game.You have already suggested on here that you wont be attending any more games (as if) as Bath play better football. So I question your integrity as a genuine supporter. |
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On the plus side to yesterday's defeat Bury jumped above the franchise into the automatic spots. Would hate to see them go up, shame they're not below Notts County  |
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CW had a run of 12 defeats in 15 when he was here and was given time to mould the squad and style that he wanted - the rest is history.
CW started from a worst position in terms of the team he inherited and brought in players that made a difference . KC has hardly moved us forward at all in my view , but I don’t advocate sacking him . |
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Some folk are actually comparing Chris Wilder to Keith Curle  Curle hasn't the man management skills required for starters. |
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Only the people who have taken against KC have spun the argument to comparing the managerial abilities of CW and KC, what was being discussed originally were the circumstances that they both found themselves with when they took over (of course the situation that CW inherited was worse than KC) and the patience that CW was given to build a side over time which is now needed for KC.
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12 defeats in 16 games for Wilder indeed....however interesting to note that only three (one of them a JPT game against Orient) were by more than a single goal.
From memory we were considered to be "unlucky" in many of those games, nine games with single goal defeats......a loss is a loss though I guess!
1-2 H v Burton
2-3 A v Cheltenham
1-3 H v Oxford
0-1 A v Luton
2-0 H v Wimbledon (WIN)
0-0 H v Rochdale (FA Cup)
0-2 A v Leyton Orient (JPT)
1-2 A v Cambridge
1-2 A v Rochdale (FA Cup)
1-0 H v Stevenage (WIN)
0-2 A v Southend
2-3 H v Plymouth
1-2 A v Carlisle
2-3 H v Bury
1-2 A v Tranmere
1-1 H v Southend
The turnaround was quick though as we won 8 of the next 10 (1 defeat)
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I've come to the conclusion over the years, that it really is a case of 'right club, right time etc' in the majority of cases. Thats why, hardly any manager manages for multiple years, I bet stats wise if you looked at the 92 league managers from 10 years ago, less than 20% will still be managing in one of the four main divisions.
Look at whose taken us up:
1. Carr. Went back down playing hoof ball to Bobby Barnes, never succeeded anywhere else as a football league manager after he left us.
2. Atkins. Stayed in the game for a short while as a trouble shooter, didn't get anywhere near a promotion.
3. Wilson/Broadhurst. Neither have managed anything of note since.
4. Calderwood. Pretty much useless in pretty much all of his jobs since he left us, unless you count taking Forest up from the third tier.
5. Wilder. The one exception.
In recent times, two utterly useless Cobblers managers have dropped down to the national league and excelled. Johnson (Cheltenham) and JED (Orient).
KC hasn't pulled up any trees, the football is most certainly boring, his subs questionable. BUT. He really hasn't got much to work with, his pool of creative players is somewhat limited shall we say!
The time to judge him will be from the moment he announces the retain list. This season he has steered us well clear of the drop zone, has won more league games than he's lost and made us (most of the time) hard to beat. The January transfer window, come on ffs...he was playing on the 50p table in the football casino.
The chances are that after 10 games next season, he will be under big pressure. But thats football. We've got to give him the chance, he's also earned it. Am I excited about the prospect of next season at this point in time? No! Am I motivated to renew my season ticket? No! But thats been the case after at least half of the last 30 seasons and I still end up coming back in August, with renewed optimism etc. The sooner this season ends the better, I didn't go to either of the Easter games but I was away. Id have made the effort Friday if there had been something to play for but went away early instead. Thats logic. Ill be there Saturday, but not at Oldham. I expect much of the same boring football that I've been seeing for most of the season, simply because of the players we have to choose from. Less so KC's and his tactics.
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Shaker in peace. There are one or two posts on this thread referencing our club's plight but lacking detailed knowledge as well as making a couple of snide remarks. Anyone who cares to visit our MB will easily find threads rife with speculation and unfortunately a number of facts - too many to discuss here. Those of you who attended yesterday's game witnessed our collective fighting spirit as one of a number of league clubs managing to survive in the orbit of 'the big two', namely Manchester City and Manchester United - on top of our last Chairman's financial failures which were much, much bigger than either ourselves or our new Chairman realised. Recent off field news has left all of us shell shocked - fans, club staff and players alike. We're as much in the dark as anyone else at present. As another lower league club having experienced considerable off field issues I would have hoped that some of you would have had a little more empathy. We're a realistic bunch and have been for decades - continuing our 144 year history as a football league club in the lower leagues will be a massive achievement for us. None of us asked for bad ownership; none of us are asking for other fans to chip in either - this is something we're trying to work out on our own and heaven knows we're not the only club with considerable financial issues. As for yesterday's game; we certainly started to hit our stride after the equalizer however it was a very nervy affair even when we took the lead which given the circumstances is understandable. For all the complaints about Curle's style he seems to have steadied the ship for you. You're safe this season and given yesterday's performance, rightly so. I'm surprised you haven't won more games. Good luck for the rest of the season and perhaps more importantly, cherish your club.
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Shaker in peace. There are one or two posts on this thread referencing our club's plight but lacking detailed knowledge as well as making a couple of snide remarks. Anyone who cares to visit our MB will easily find threads rife with speculation and unfortunately a number of facts - too many to discuss here. Those of you who attended yesterday's game witnessed our collective fighting spirit as one of a number of league clubs managing to survive in the orbit of 'the big two', namely Manchester City and Manchester United - on top of our last Chairman's financial failures which were much, much bigger than either ourselves or our new Chairman realised. Recent off field news has left all of us shell shocked - fans, club staff and players alike. We're as much in the dark as anyone else at present. As another lower league club having experienced considerable off field issues I would have hoped that some of you would have had a little more empathy. We're a realistic bunch and have been for decades - continuing our 144 year history as a football league club in the lower leagues will be a massive achievement for us. None of us asked for bad ownership; none of us are asking for other fans to chip in either - this is something we're trying to work out on our own and heaven knows we're not the only club with considerable financial issues. As for yesterday's game; we certainly started to hit our stride after the equalizer however it was a very nervy affair even when we took the lead which given the circumstances is understandable. For all the complaints about Curle's style he seems to have steadied the ship for you. You're safe this season and given yesterday's performance, rightly so. I'm surprised you haven't won more games. Good luck for the rest of the season and perhaps more importantly, cherish your club.
I wouldn't worry about it mate. Half of Northampton still thinks the Cobblers stole 10million quid, whilst basking in the glory of winning the league that very season. I know very little about your plight other than it is historical stuff that has re-surfaced in very recent times, that the current owner isn't being blamed for it etc? I believe? Best of luck; a year ago we were slightly better than you, and I suspect our wage bill this season is/was considerably more than yours! |
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Shaker in peace. There are one or two posts on this thread referencing our club's plight but lacking detailed knowledge as well as making a couple of snide remarks. Anyone who cares to visit our MB will easily find threads rife with speculation and unfortunately a number of facts - too many to discuss here. Those of you who attended yesterday's game witnessed our collective fighting spirit as one of a number of league clubs managing to survive in the orbit of 'the big two', namely Manchester City and Manchester United - on top of our last Chairman's financial failures which were much, much bigger than either ourselves or our new Chairman realised. Recent off field news has left all of us shell shocked - fans, club staff and players alike. We're as much in the dark as anyone else at present. As another lower league club having experienced considerable off field issues I would have hoped that some of you would have had a little more empathy. We're a realistic bunch and have been for decades - continuing our 144 year history as a football league club in the lower leagues will be a massive achievement for us. None of us asked for bad ownership; none of us are asking for other fans to chip in either - this is something we're trying to work out on our own and heaven knows we're not the only club with considerable financial issues. As for yesterday's game; we certainly started to hit our stride after the equalizer however it was a very nervy affair even when we took the lead which given the circumstances is understandable. For all the complaints about Curle's style he seems to have steadied the ship for you. You're safe this season and given yesterday's performance, rightly so. I'm surprised you haven't won more games. Good luck for the rest of the season and perhaps more importantly, cherish your club.
I understand why you have come on here to put your case forward and I don’t begrudge you success . But ...... The club has players it cannot afford and will not sustain . Therefore , I don’t buy into the celebrations. |
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I've come to the conclusion over the years, that it really is a case of 'right club, right time etc' in the majority of cases. Thats why, hardly any manager manages for multiple years, I bet stats wise if you looked at the 92 league managers from 10 years ago, less than 20% will still be managing in one of the four main divisions.
Look at whose taken us up:
1. Carr. Went back down playing hoof ball to Bobby Barnes, never succeeded anywhere else as a football league manager after he left us.
2. Atkins. Stayed in the game for a short while as a trouble shooter, didn't get anywhere near a promotion.
3. Wilson/Broadhurst. Neither have managed anything of note since.
4. Calderwood. Pretty much useless in pretty much all of his jobs since he left us, unless you count taking Forest up from the third tier.
5. Wilder. The one exception.
In recent times, two utterly useless Cobblers managers have dropped down to the national league and excelled. Johnson (Cheltenham) and JED (Orient).
KC hasn't pulled up any trees, the football is most certainly boring, his subs questionable. BUT. He really hasn't got much to work with, his pool of creative players is somewhat limited shall we say!
The time to judge him will be from the moment he announces the retain list. This season he has steered us well clear of the drop zone, has won more league games than he's lost and made us (most of the time) hard to beat. The January transfer window, come on ffs...he was playing on the 50p table in the football casino.
The chances are that after 10 games next season, he will be under big pressure. But thats football. We've got to give him the chance, he's also earned it. Am I excited about the prospect of next season at this point in time? No! Am I motivated to renew my season ticket? No! But thats been the case after at least half of the last 30 seasons and I still end up coming back in August, with renewed optimism etc. The sooner this season ends the better, I didn't go to either of the Easter games but I was away. Id have made the effort Friday if there had been something to play for but went away early instead. Thats logic. Ill be there Saturday, but not at Oldham. I expect much of the same boring football that I've been seeing for most of the season, simply because of the players we have to choose from. Less so KC's and his tactics.
Good post Drilling. I feel exactly the same. |
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Some folk are actually comparing Chris Wilder to Keith Curle Curle hasn't the man management skills required for starters. You have misread the situation; what was said that KC is in a similar situation to CW; that is had a run of poor results. As Irchy has suggested next season will be more relevant to a comparison of both Managers. Incidentally the Chron report on the game I thought was ok and fairly accurate; is it because the reports don't suit the your mindset? Another thing KC man management skills are ok considering he has had to operate with a flawed and unbalanced squad from which two of his best players had to be sold. I think he has done well to comfortably avoid a relegation battle. |
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Good post Drilling. I feel exactly the same.
Well done Drillers I agree too |
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12 defeats in 16 games for Wilder indeed....however interesting to note that only three (one of them a JPT game against Orient) were by more than a single goal.
From memory we were considered to be "unlucky" in many of those games, nine games with single goal defeats......a loss is a loss though I guess!
1-2 H v Burton
2-3 A v Cheltenham
1-3 H v Oxford
0-1 A v Luton
2-0 H v Wimbledon (WIN)
0-0 H v Rochdale (FA Cup)
0-2 A v Leyton Orient (JPT)
1-2 A v Cambridge
1-2 A v Rochdale (FA Cup)
1-0 H v Stevenage (WIN)
0-2 A v Southend
2-3 H v Plymouth
1-2 A v Carlisle
2-3 H v Bury
1-2 A v Tranmere
1-1 H v Southend
The turnaround was quick though as we won 8 of the next 10 (1 defeat)
Fair comment GPC - but didn't mention that the knives were out for CW during his poor spell. Some on here really did sharpen their knives. |
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Shaker in peace...... As another lower league club having experienced considerable off field issues I would have hoped that some of you would have had a little more empathy. We're a realistic bunch and have been for decades ................................... For all the complaints about Curle's style he seems to have steadied the ship for you. You're safe this season and given yesterday's performance, rightly so. I'm surprised you haven't won more games. Good luck for the rest of the season and perhaps more importantly, cherish your club.
Quite an interesting post by you. The empathy bit.....the young bunch near to us with the drum were giving it large from the start so some of our lot retaliated. Not an excuse for ungentlemanly behaviour by both sets of fans! Unfortunately as we waited outside after the game the same fans tried pretty hard to goad the waiting NTFC fans and of cause the response was the same. Then the police arrived! I suppose the moral of this was ' people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'. |
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Fair comment GPC - but didn't mention that the knives were out for CW during his poor spell. Some on here really did sharpen their knives.
I suppose the ‘bad’ Wilder times got forgotten about when the ‘good’ Wilder times came along! I don’t remember any of the football under Wilder being boring or tedious, something which I can’t say about the current incumbent. Three 3-2 defeats suggest at least a bit of excitement! You’re right though, after a run like that the knives would be out, for some it is purely s results business. |
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I suppose the ‘bad’ Wilder times got forgotten about when the ‘good’ Wilder times came along!
I don’t remember any of the football under Wilder being boring or tedious, something which I can’t say about the current incumbent. Three 3-2 defeats suggest at least a bit of excitement!
You’re right though, after a run like that the knives would be out, for some it is purely s results business.
I can remember some mid numbing games during the season before the great one. Oxford supporters were coming on here 'told you so'. |
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