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Our much debated goalkeeper

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Question: Does KC need a new jigsaw piece in goal?
We need a new first choice keeper - 29 (50.9%)
Cornell's good enough, Spend the money elsewhere - 28 (49.1%)
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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2019, 12:21:01 pm »

I think if you take out the multiple account holders who voted its about 60/40 in favour of Cornell being a number 2 keeper.

How many multiple accounts have you got then?  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2019, 12:31:20 pm »

Not much to choose between the keepers in terms of experience. Arnold has played more senior games but a fair proportion in non-league. Cornell just edges it on league appearances. Like the man says there will be real competition for the No 1 spot and I suspect at the moment KC has not decided who will start the first game.
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2019, 13:29:05 pm »

Not much to choose between the keepers in terms of experience. Arnold has played more senior games but a fair proportion in non-league. Cornell just edges it on league appearances. Like the man says there will be real competition for the No 1 spot and I suspect at the moment KC has not decided who will start the first game.

Arnold has made most of his League appearances in League 1 though.
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2019, 14:23:13 pm »

Arnold has made most of his League appearances in League 1 though.

So why did you select Cornell as first choice in your pecking order? So confused now Roll Eyes
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2019, 15:32:21 pm »

So why did you select Cornell as first choice in your pecking order? So confused now Roll Eyes

What do you mean?
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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2019, 15:45:56 pm »

You were not at Morecombe; you admitted this yourself. From memory Cornell saved us from a heavier defeat. Against FGR he played well; you clearly left at half time! Stop sitting on the fence and come out against.

You like to cherry pick which posts of mine you like to try and argue against Evers!

You still very much carry the bizarre notion that unless you have physically been to a game you can't make an opinion on it, even if you have watched the whole match on TV! Pure nonsense. Unfortunately Morecambe was not the only glaring error by Cornell.

Goals down purely down to bad Cornell mistakes last season:

Morecambe (a) - absolutely no need to run out, zero chance of a goal if he stays put
FGR (h) - absolutely no need to run out, made it so easy he more or less gifted the goal where the chance of one was virtually nil
Stevenage (h) - Miss-kick under no pressure led directly to goal
Mansfield (h) - Beat at near post direct from a corner hit with no pace
Macclesfield (h) Came off line needlessly, made it too easy for forward
Port Vale (h) - Came off line, made it easy for forward
Exeter (h) - Pushed an otherwise simple save into the box rather than tipping it over, put in by the attacker

Saves he should have made:

FGR (a) - 35 yarder more or less straight him, got his palm on it, should save every time
Oldham (a) - tipped soft free-kick onto post, rebound put in - should have been a comfortable save
Mansfield (a) - First goal, a fairly weak, angled shot across his body - should save
Mansfield (a) - 3rd soft goal at near post, beat far too easily
Carlisle (a) - 2nd goal - rolled shot from outside the area, should save 8-9/10

Bad goalkeeping where the defence was equally culpable:

Yeovil (h) where he rushed out and made it easy for the attacker to chip him
Tranmere (h) scramble in the box with poor defending all round, but still capped off with an equally bad piece of keeping.

That's 14 goals! Close to 1 every 3 matches, not far off 25% of our goals conceded!

There are plenty of other examples of goals conceded where he arguably/probably could have done better with shots, or where he could/should have been stronger in coming out to punch away/claim free-kicks/corners, not to mention bad mistakes where he got away with it. Sticking to these 14 I'm cutting him some slack.
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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2019, 19:32:16 pm »

You like to cherry pick which posts of mine you like to try and argue against Evers!

You still very much carry the bizarre notion that unless you have physically been to a game you can't make an opinion on it, even if you have watched the whole match on TV! Pure nonsense. Unfortunately Morecambe was not the only glaring error by Cornell.

Goals down purely down to bad Cornell mistakes last season:

Morecambe (a) - absolutely no need to run out, zero chance of a goal if he stays put
FGR (h) - absolutely no need to run out, made it so easy he more or less gifted the goal where the chance of one was virtually nil
Stevenage (h) - Miss-kick under no pressure led directly to goal
Mansfield (h) - Beat at near post direct from a corner hit with no pace
Macclesfield (h) Came off line needlessly, made it too easy for forward
Port Vale (h) - Came off line, made it easy for forward
Exeter (h) - Pushed an otherwise simple save into the box rather than tipping it over, put in by the attacker

Saves he should have made:

FGR (a) - 35 yarder more or less straight him, got his palm on it, should save every time
Oldham (a) - tipped soft free-kick onto post, rebound put in - should have been a comfortable save
Mansfield (a) - First goal, a fairly weak, angled shot across his body - should save
Mansfield (a) - 3rd soft goal at near post, beat far too easily
Carlisle (a) - 2nd goal - rolled shot from outside the area, should save 8-9/10

Bad goalkeeping where the defence was equally culpable:

Yeovil (h) where he rushed out and made it easy for the attacker to chip him
Tranmere (h) scramble in the box with poor defending all round, but still capped off with an equally bad piece of keeping.

That's 14 goals! Close to 1 every 3 matches, not far off 25% of our goals conceded!

There are plenty of other examples of goals conceded where he arguably/probably could have done better with shots, or where he could/should have been stronger in coming out to punch away/claim free-kicks/corners, not to mention bad mistakes where he got away with it. Sticking to these 14 I'm cutting him some slack.

Your preamble is simply incorrect - the point it helps to be actually at a game. You have a very biased opinion and you go to extraordinary lengths to prove your point. Plenty of supporters don’t necessarily go to all the games but still offer a perfectly reasonable point of view. Have another think about the defences contribution to your perceived myriad of mistakes by Cornell. 
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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2019, 20:51:43 pm »

So... Clarence.. Long list and all your opinion.. Thats fine.
Nowhere in the list is any credit given by you to saves that prevented goals, but you still give a ratio/percentage figure of goals that you thought Cornell was at fault in,to even up the figures.
A tad harsh methinks..
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2019, 21:12:03 pm »

You like to cherry pick which posts of mine you like to try and argue against Evers!

You still very much carry the bizarre notion that unless you have physically been to a game you can't make an opinion on it, even if you have watched the whole match on TV! Pure nonsense. Unfortunately Morecambe was not the only glaring error by Cornell.

Goals down purely down to bad Cornell mistakes last season:

Morecambe (a) - absolutely no need to run out, zero chance of a goal if he stays put
FGR (h) - absolutely no need to run out, made it so easy he more or less gifted the goal where the chance of one was virtually nil
Stevenage (h) - Miss-kick under no pressure led directly to goal
Mansfield (h) - Beat at near post direct from a corner hit with no pace
Macclesfield (h) Came off line needlessly, made it too easy for forward
Port Vale (h) - Came off line, made it easy for forward
Exeter (h) - Pushed an otherwise simple save into the box rather than tipping it over, put in by the attacker

Saves he should have made:

FGR (a) - 35 yarder more or less straight him, got his palm on it, should save every time
Oldham (a) - tipped soft free-kick onto post, rebound put in - should have been a comfortable save
Mansfield (a) - First goal, a fairly weak, angled shot across his body - should save
Mansfield (a) - 3rd soft goal at near post, beat far too easily
Carlisle (a) - 2nd goal - rolled shot from outside the area, should save 8-9/10

Bad goalkeeping where the defence was equally culpable:

Yeovil (h) where he rushed out and made it easy for the attacker to chip him
Tranmere (h) scramble in the box with poor defending all round, but still capped off with an equally bad piece of keeping.

That's 14 goals! Close to 1 every 3 matches, not far off 25% of our goals conceded!

There are plenty of other examples of goals conceded where he arguably/probably could have done better with shots, or where he could/should have been stronger in coming out to punch away/claim free-kicks/corners, not to mention bad mistakes where he got away with it. Sticking to these 14 I'm cutting him some slack.
The usual spin presented as clear cut fact by Clarence . So much of what you say is dubious at best but is articulated as though it were clear evidence.
Name me a goalkeeper in any league who can be free of any type of blame throughout a season. Let alone one in division 2.
Cornell had a decent first full season and deserved both credit and his place .
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2019, 21:24:19 pm »

You like to cherry pick which posts of mine you like to try and argue against Evers!

You still very much carry the bizarre notion that unless you have physically been to a game you can't make an opinion on it, even if you have watched the whole match on TV! Pure nonsense. Unfortunately Morecambe was not the only glaring error by Cornell.

Goals down purely down to bad Cornell mistakes last season:

Morecambe (a) - absolutely no need to run out, zero chance of a goal if he stays put
FGR (h) - absolutely no need to run out, made it so easy he more or less gifted the goal where the chance of one was virtually nil
Stevenage (h) - Miss-kick under no pressure led directly to goal
Mansfield (h) - Beat at near post direct from a corner hit with no pace
Macclesfield (h) Came off line needlessly, made it too easy for forward
Port Vale (h) - Came off line, made it easy for forward
Exeter (h) - Pushed an otherwise simple save into the box rather than tipping it over, put in by the attacker

Saves he should have made:

FGR (a) - 35 yarder more or less straight him, got his palm on it, should save every time
Oldham (a) - tipped soft free-kick onto post, rebound put in - should have been a comfortable save
Mansfield (a) - First goal, a fairly weak, angled shot across his body - should save
Mansfield (a) - 3rd soft goal at near post, beat far too easily
Carlisle (a) - 2nd goal - rolled shot from outside the area, should save 8-9/10

Bad goalkeeping where the defence was equally culpable:

Yeovil (h) where he rushed out and made it easy for the attacker to chip him
Tranmere (h) scramble in the box with poor defending all round, but still capped off with an equally bad piece of keeping.

That's 14 goals! Close to 1 every 3 matches, not far off 25% of our goals conceded!

There are plenty of other examples of goals conceded where he arguably/probably could have done better with shots, or where he could/should have been stronger in coming out to punch away/claim free-kicks/corners, not to mention bad mistakes where he got away with it. Sticking to these 14 I'm cutting him some slack.

Very subjective for a man in a perfect world.
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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2019, 05:48:25 am »

There will always be someone who Cobblers "supporters" put the knife into, just part of the Northampton  psyche,  today Cornell next week someone else even before a ball has been kicked in the new season.
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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2019, 07:20:11 am »

You like to cherry pick which posts of mine you like to try and argue against Evers!

You still very much carry the bizarre notion that unless you have physically been to a game you can't make an opinion on it, even if you have watched the whole match on TV! Pure nonsense. Unfortunately Morecambe was not the only glaring error by Cornell.

Goals down purely down to bad Cornell mistakes last season:

Morecambe (a) - absolutely no need to run out, zero chance of a goal if he stays put
FGR (h) - absolutely no need to run out, made it so easy he more or less gifted the goal where the chance of one was virtually nil
Stevenage (h) - Miss-kick under no pressure led directly to goal
Mansfield (h) - Beat at near post direct from a corner hit with no pace
Macclesfield (h) Came off line needlessly, made it too easy for forward
Port Vale (h) - Came off line, made it easy for forward
Exeter (h) - Pushed an otherwise simple save into the box rather than tipping it over, put in by the attacker

Saves he should have made:

FGR (a) - 35 yarder more or less straight him, got his palm on it, should save every time
Oldham (a) - tipped soft free-kick onto post, rebound put in - should have been a comfortable save
Mansfield (a) - First goal, a fairly weak, angled shot across his body - should save
Mansfield (a) - 3rd soft goal at near post, beat far too easily
Carlisle (a) - 2nd goal - rolled shot from outside the area, should save 8-9/10

Bad goalkeeping where the defence was equally culpable:

Yeovil (h) where he rushed out and made it easy for the attacker to chip him
Tranmere (h) scramble in the box with poor defending all round, but still capped off with an equally bad piece of keeping.

That's 14 goals! Close to 1 every 3 matches, not far off 25% of our goals conceded!

There are plenty of other examples of goals conceded where he arguably/probably could have done better with shots, or where he could/should have been stronger in coming out to punch away/claim free-kicks/corners, not to mention bad mistakes where he got away with it. Sticking to these 14 I'm cutting him some slack.
Spot on mate, I’d say there were more mistakes, Cornell did improve and did make some good saves trouble is he still rushes off his line, doesn’t command his area and lets way too many shots from distance in.
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« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2019, 09:00:01 am »

I've no time for this debate/witchhunt. Cornell is one of our players. He had a decent season last year which was effectively his first ever season as a number one. This is evidenced by the fact that he finished third in our own POTS award, second in the Chron's player of the year vote and (perhaps most tellingly) won the player's player of the year award.

Does he have weaknesses? Yes.
Does he make the odd mistake? Yes.

I'd struggle to think of a Premier League keeper worth millions that you could answer "no" to for both of those questions either, so I think it's somewhat unreasonable to pillory Cornell for not being infallible in a very ordinary League 2 side.
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« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2019, 09:09:16 am »

I've no time for this debate/witchhunt. Cornell is one of our players. He had a decent season last year which was effectively his first ever season as a number one. This is evidenced by the fact that he finished third in our own POTS award, second in the Chron's player of the year vote and (perhaps most tellingly) won the player's player of the year award.

Does he have weaknesses? Yes.
Does he make the odd mistake? Yes.

I'd struggle to think of a Premier League keeper worth millions that you could answer "no" to for both of those questions either, so I think it's somewhat unreasonable to pillory Cornell for not being infallible in a very ordinary League 2 side.

Personally not a fan of Cornell due to as i perceive 'his weaknesses'  but agree with the above and with genuine competition for his spot next season he will hopefully improve and prove the doubters (including me) wrong.
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« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2019, 12:05:58 pm »

Isn't the truth of the matter in the middle of the two poles? He's "alright".

We've been spoilt over the years. If you are someone who judges him against Mark Bunn in a Cobblers shirt, possibly even Harper, Welch, or Woodman, then I agree he isn't as good.
However, if you offered a swap for a Billy Stewart, Turley or perhaps Dunn in a Cobblers shirt, then I dont think there would be too many takers.
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« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2019, 12:57:42 pm »

Isn't the truth of the matter in the middle of the two poles? He's "alright".

We've been spoilt over the years. If you are someone who judges him against Mark Bunn in a Cobblers shirt, possibly even Harper, Welch, or Woodman, then I agree he isn't as good.
However, if you offered a swap for a Billy Stewart, Turley or perhaps Dunn in a Cobblers shirt, then I dont think there would be too many takers.

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« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2019, 13:41:37 pm »

Point is, there is now proper competition for the number 1 jersey, which can only be a good thing right?
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« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2019, 13:50:02 pm »

Point is, there is now proper competition for the number 1 jersey, which can only be a good thing right?

No there isn't. The squad numbers don't change during the course of the season  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2019, 15:20:25 pm »

Finally we have seen some proper reasoned debate around this one that isn't subjective one way or the other!

Too easy to highlight the negatives, especially when it comes to his position.

For all of the goals that have been supposedly his fault, you can almost always also pinpoint an outfield player's failings too (how many times did we concede due to poor closing down outside the box, or not picking up inside it, for example?).

That's not me defending him, or saying he is definitely the keeper to take us forward. Personally, I neither particularly rate or berate Cornell. He is a lower league keeper based on his performances. No more, no less.

We are a lower league club currently. No more, no less.

As it stands, he fits our profile and may or may not be in the shirt come the 1st game of next season.

Now, if we were to start progressing, then that's another story.....
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« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2019, 22:13:19 pm »

So... Clarence.. Long list and all your opinion.. Thats fine.
Nowhere in the list is any credit given by you to saves that prevented goals, but you still give a ratio/percentage figure of goals that you thought Cornell was at fault in,to even up the figures.
A tad harsh methinks..


‘A tad harsh methinks’  - do I detect some gentle sarcasm? As for Clarence after reading his analysis of our goal keeper; so full of angst that he has got 11 Cornell’s on the pitch! Then he calls that fair minded opinion 😳
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