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Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19

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« Reply #140 on: August 15, 2019, 08:42:40 am »

Interesting to see the vultures are gathering ready to swoop on Curle.Reminds me  of Wilder's last season at Sixfields when similar managerial rumblings occurred after losing a home game to Plymouth and then losing at Newcastle in the League Cup and seeing Ricky Holmes hobbling up the West Stand as a spectator and then after that the rest is history including the turn around  crunch home game against Oxford when Taylor got sent off and we won one nil .

Positives from the media about the Swansea game appear to the performances of Warburton, Turnbull, and Watson, negatives appear to be set piece failings again and question marks over Cornell. My take on Cornell is that like Peter Gleasure of old he is a good shot stopper but he has weakness on long distance shots and coming for crosses. In my book Cornell is a run of the mill Div 2 stopper nothing more nothing less.

Good post mate - my thoughts entirely. This Saturdays match is massive and Macclesfield are in decent form.
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« Reply #141 on: August 15, 2019, 09:02:36 am »

Take a look at Swansea Official Match Video  it shows the goals from a different perspective; did the blond Striker take out Cornell?

I have seen you on many occasions dismissing others opinions because they did not attend the game and are 'only' using the highlights to back up their opinions.

For someone who didn't attend, and holds such firm views on needing to attend in order to offer opinions on games, you have had much to say about this one.

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« Reply #142 on: August 15, 2019, 09:33:49 am »

I have seen you on many occasions dismissing others opinions because they did not attend the game and are 'only' using the highlights to back up their opinions.

For someone who didn't attend, and holds such firm views on needing to attend in order to offer opinions on games, you have had much to say about this one.

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I have no time to enter into an argument with you. After your disgraceful behaviour with Beds you are in no position to accuse others of hypocrisy. Are you on a trolling mission?
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« Reply #143 on: August 15, 2019, 09:51:47 am »

I have no time to enter into an argument with you. After your disgraceful behaviour with Beds you are in no position to accuse others of hypocrisy. Are you on a trolling mission?

I have no time to enter into an argument with you. After your disgraceful behaviour with anyone who does not share your opinion, you are in no position to accuse others of disgraceful behaviour towards Beds. Are you on a trolling mission?
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« Reply #144 on: August 15, 2019, 09:52:14 am »

I have no time to enter into an argument with you. After your disgraceful behaviour with Beds you are in no position to accuse others of hypocrisy. Are you on a trolling mission?

you could politely accept he has a point if you want................
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« Reply #145 on: August 15, 2019, 11:04:08 am »

you could politely accept he has a point if you want................


He misses the point - I have no truck with those who use truncated videos as a tool to furnish their personal abuse of NTFC players/management. There are plenty of good comments from those unable to attend away games. These opinions are totally democratic and often good POV. If you don’t understand the point am making let me know?  Incidentally you were one of the first to aim dubious comments at Cornell after the Swansea game so it will be interesting to see where you stand.
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« Reply #146 on: August 15, 2019, 11:36:09 am »

He misses the point - I have no truck with those who use truncated videos as a tool to furnish their personal abuse of NTFC players/management.
I think you struggle to discriminate between "personal abuse" and criticism of a performance. There is quite a lot of the latter, and people are, IMO, within their rights to criticize but I really don't see much "personal abuse" which is a totally different thing. 
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« Reply #147 on: August 15, 2019, 11:53:20 am »

He misses the point - I have no truck with those who use truncated videos as a tool to furnish their personal abuse of NTFC players/management. There are plenty of good comments from those unable to attend away games. These opinions are totally democratic and often good POV. If you don’t understand the point am making let me know?  Incidentally you were one of the first to aim dubious comments at Cornell after the Swansea game so it will be interesting to see where you stand.

what was dubious about them?

he was at fault for 2 goals.

not rocket science.
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« Reply #148 on: August 15, 2019, 11:55:28 am »

I think you struggle to discriminate between "personal abuse" and criticism of a performance. There is quite a lot of the latter, and people are, IMO, within their rights to criticize but I really don't see much "personal abuse" which is a totally different thing. 

+1

Going on highlights as wasn't there (sorry if that puts me in the firing line), Cornell's performance and indeed his entire NTFC career can be summed up pre and post the 80th minute.

Average Lge 2 keeper for me & one that isn't likely to see us as part of the top 3 (irrespective of the outfield players in front of him).
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« Reply #149 on: August 15, 2019, 12:01:15 pm »

At the end of the day we were playing a championship club away from home. I thought we did well and came out of the game with a lot of credit? There were a few individual errors at the end which was a shame and unfortunately we got punished. Big game Saturday no doubt but I don’t think it was disastrous for us. Additionally say what you like about our club but the away support is great.
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« Reply #150 on: August 15, 2019, 12:04:55 pm »

I think you struggle to discriminate between "personal abuse" and criticism of a performance. There is quite a lot of the latter, and people are, IMO, within their rights to criticize but I really don't see much "personal abuse" which is a totally different thing. 

Just search on here for personal abuse of players and management there are some reasonable examples to view unless they have been deleted! Abuse is simply that, not many would would struggle to differentiate between abuse and criticism.
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« Reply #151 on: August 15, 2019, 12:46:46 pm »

what was dubious about them?

he was at fault for 2 goals.

not rocket science.

quote author=threeinabed link=topic=18614.msg393771#msg393771 date=1565728122

Absolutely awful from Cornell.

Twice.

What a useless ****


rico is s***e

waters is s***e

You have a colourful way of portraying players you dont like.  Dubious comments or not?
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« Reply #152 on: August 15, 2019, 16:18:20 pm »

Dubious statistics? Manipulated? How so? Hmmmm, you're not spouting nonsense again are you?


Thanks for the link to the stats, which I don't doubt in themselves but they simply show the ratio of shots on target to goals conceded and you made a direct statement that they show Cornell to have one of the worst goalkeeping records in the division. That IS manipulation of statistics because it assumes he is to blame for all the goals conceded.
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« Reply #153 on: August 15, 2019, 17:53:41 pm »

Curle did what a few on here were asking for  and brought in another keeper to provide competition for the jersey. Arnold gets a gig 2nd game in and does a hammy, Cornell back in on tues (rightly so) and gets a load more stick.
Whats it to be then ? Young lad in goal or a loan signing. ?
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« Reply #154 on: August 15, 2019, 17:57:12 pm »

Ok, so you might also recognize the paradox? That is, that there's plenty of evidence (the first 75mins last night for example) that Cornell is quite a good shot stopper.


There is no paradox. He made two solid/decent stops during the match, but nothing that you wouldn't expect the vast majority of League 2 'keepers to make.

The outfield player who went in goal for Morecambe against us last year made more saves of equal 'difficulty' in the last 10 minutes of that match alone. Does that make that player a 'good shot-stopper'?
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« Reply #155 on: August 15, 2019, 18:20:13 pm »

Thanks for the link to the stats, which I don't doubt in themselves but they simply show the ratio of shots on target to goals conceded and you made a direct statement that they show Cornell to have one of the worst goalkeeping records in the division. That IS manipulation of statistics because it assumes he is to blame for all the goals conceded.

No, it isn't 'manipulation' at all. The stats show 180 opposition shots on target over 46 games (the joint 8th best record in the league) and 63 goals conceded, the 17th worst record in the league. Cornell's save ratio places him 4th bottom of the league. Like most football statistics the results may not be 'scientific', but I would suggest it indicates that, as many on here believe, Cornell isn't anywhere near as good a shot-stopper as other posters believe.

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« Reply #156 on: August 15, 2019, 18:29:14 pm »

Just for the record can anyone tell us how many penalties Cornell has saved ? I remember a couple at least.
Give the guy some backing, he is prob 2nd fiddle when Arnold is fit and certainly good enough to fill that roll in Div 2.







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« Reply #157 on: August 15, 2019, 19:17:30 pm »

No, it isn't 'manipulation' at all. The stats show 180 opposition shots on target over 46 games (the joint 8th best record in the league) and 63 goals conceded, the 17th worst record in the league. Cornell's save ratio places him 4th bottom of the league. Like most football statistics the results may not be 'scientific', but I would suggest it indicates that, as many on here believe, Cornell isn't anywhere near as good a shot-stopper as other posters believe.


You misunderstand Clarence. Your assertion that those figures show Cornell is the fourth worst keeper in the league is the manipulation. As has been said, not every goal scored will be Cornells fault.
Defender loses possession to striker A on the edge of the box, leaving a two on one with Cornell. Striker A then passes square to striker B who side foots into an open goal would be a good example of a goal that isn't the goalkeepers fault.

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« Reply #158 on: August 15, 2019, 19:18:22 pm »

There is no paradox. He made two solid/decent stops during the match, but nothing that you wouldn't expect the vast majority of League 2 'keepers to make.

The outfield player who went in goal for Morecambe against us last year made more saves of equal 'difficulty' in the last 10 minutes of that match alone. Does that make that player a 'good shot-stopper'?
I'm glad you can be so confident about all of that.
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« Reply #159 on: August 15, 2019, 19:27:08 pm »

I'm glad you can be so confident about all of that.

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