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Vote: Curle In or Curle Out

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Question: Do you have confidence in Keith Curle as the manager of Northampton Town FC?  (Voting closed: August 20, 2019, 20:17:31 pm)
Yes- Curle In - 34 (43%)
No- Curle Out - 32 (40.5%)
Unsure - 13 (16.5%)
Total Voters: 78

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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2019, 00:14:43 am »

English isnít a subject you did at schools was it?
forget about my education it's got nothing to do with this thread has it
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2019, 07:34:19 am »

In an ideal world I'd like him replaced immediately with someone with a modicum of tactical intelligence who has more to offer than plan A: hoof it up to the big man and plan B: bring on more big men and hoof it up some more.

However, I agree with the argument that we somehow need to break the cycle of September sackings, January panic buys and latish scrapes to safety.

If his contract is up in the summer then that might be the time to get rid, providing that we don't get in serious relegation trouble in the meantime. What we don't want is to fall into the trap again of sacking a manager and rushing into appointing any Tom, Dick or Hasselbaink who happens to be available. If you do it in the summer from a position of safety then you can take your time and have a proper application process.

On the other hand, if there was a genuinely outstanding candidate waiting in the wings who had a long-term vision for the team then I'd make the change immediately.



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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2019, 08:04:48 am »

I think to credit the club with any kind of long term plan either on or off the pitch is stretching credulity to the extreme - if KC gets sacked it will be the usual fiasco of a recruitment process and the failed manager merry-go-round will start again. The common denominator in all of the poor appointments over the last few years is KT - you do the maths.
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2019, 09:00:37 am »

Out ....Sh1thouse
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2019, 11:29:35 am »

Curle has to be given the season. However anything less than a top 7 finish should see him gone.

I think he's bought in some decent players but the balance of the team/squad is all wrong. Lines, Watson, McCormack and McWilliams are all too similar in what they offer the team, ditto Smith, Oliver and Williams up front.

IMO Martin is no LWB. Adams will play best for us this year when we have an out-and-out right back behind him. He may have played at RWB last season for Bury and assisted a high-number of goals, but their personnel allowed that system to work and also meant that he was still far from relied upon for creativity in the final third. (take away Adams' assisted goals and they still scored more than us last season). We don't have the players to make it work.

Hoskins isn't good enough and so we are left largely relying too much on Warburton to step-up.

If Morias stays and we get in another winger and attacking midfielder I think the team can still be very competitive this year, otherwise I see nothing better than a 10-16 place finish and another frustrating season.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2019, 11:36:03 am »

forget about my education it's got nothing to do with this thread has it

Tell him you went to Harrow- WC couldnít spell either!
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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2019, 11:46:50 am »

I'm 50/50 at the moment, like lots have said, changing managers every Sept is not good, but unless were have a great improvement in the next few games, the knives will be out.
     I was surprised that when Curle came in, we gave him a just under 2 year contract. Why not give the next manager a 1 year rolling contract because we all know that if he's any good he will be gone from us pretty quick anyhow !
     I think a fair few Cobblers fans thought he was an uninspiring appointment, given his record, and it looks like they were right. I think we need to break this habit of appointing failed managers and try an up and coming manager out of non league, it can't be a lot worse can it?
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2019, 12:12:16 pm »

Based on 4 games this season it is far too early to be calling for KCís departure. Based on what we have seen from KC over 11 months I donít have much confidence in him. 

I donít see any change happening yet. 
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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2019, 13:01:23 pm »

We have to break the cycle.

If we get rid - new man comes in - is given time because it's not his squad - declares clear out needed after steering us to safety (just) - big summer clear out - new players brought in - lose first 4 games - calls for manager to be sacked - we get rid - new man comes in - is given time etc.....etc.....etc....etc

This lunacy has to end.
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2019, 13:22:46 pm »

We have to break the cycle.

If we get rid - new man comes in - is given time because it's not his squad - declares clear out needed after steering us to safety (just) - big summer clear out - new players brought in - lose first 4 games - calls for manager to be sacked - we get rid - new man comes in - is given time etc.....etc.....etc....etc

This lunacy has to end.

Quite right some seem bent on the clubs destruction!
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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2019, 14:14:30 pm »

Thomas has had plenty of goes at getting in a decent manager but hasnít, no point sacking Curle cos the next fella will be ****
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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2019, 15:27:15 pm »

Curle shouldn't keep his job just because all KTs other choices have been shat.
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« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2019, 20:07:36 pm »

Just out of interest, do people actually bother reading other people's posts on here? Lot's of people saying exactly the same as a previous poster without adding anything new to the discussion.
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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2019, 20:42:06 pm »

Just out of interest, do people actually bother reading other people's posts on here? Lot's of people saying exactly the same as a previous poster without adding anything new to the discussion.
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2019, 07:01:17 am »

Pointless vote as the matter is in Thomas's hand, any speculation is better focused on Thomas' previous track record in firing managers particularly Austin and Edinburgh. Not afraid to sack a manger when in preseason he has given the manager cash to spend so I would give Curle a maximum of 10 games in before him getting the Thomas heave ho if things don't improve. Lack of scoring goals is the Cobblers achillees heel ever since Wilder left and based on the EFL career records of those he has signed in the close season and current form to date the future for Curle looks bleak. He will need all of his Warnockesque arrogance and stubbornness to survive.
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2019, 09:58:09 am »

Although it is worrying that our start to the season is following recent patterns set by JED and DA as mentioned above, the real problem is if poor results have a negative effect on confidence and the situation goes from bad to worse. Despite unconvincing performances, we should still have at least 4 points from our opening 3 games based on chances created (I actually mean from our home games, because we were lucky to get a point a PV). If we had, players would be confident and nobody would be getting on KC's back too much. As it stands we have 1 point and the tension may start to show on the pitch. When DA got sacked we had started the season playing good football but without scoring goals. After a few early defeats the performances stopped and the defeats got heavier.

I hate to hear managers use the phrase, but it really is a question of "fine lines" and I reckon we must win one of the next two to have a chance of building confidence and momentum in the team and preventing the kind of downward spriral that got DA sacked. There are still problems of imbalance in the team, but a bit of confidence and less "tweaking" from KC this year, might make a significant difference.
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2019, 10:22:37 am »

Just out of interest, do people actually bother reading other people's posts on here? Lot's of people saying exactly the same as a previous poster without adding anything new to the discussion.

Just out of interest, do people actually bother reading other people's posts on here? Lot's of people saying exactly the same as a previous poster without adding anything new to the discussion.

That made me chuckle  Grin
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2019, 21:09:12 pm »

He says, dangling his participles.

Good one Larry well spotted
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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2019, 15:10:13 pm »

Although it is worrying that our start to the season is following recent patterns set by JED and DA as mentioned above, the real problem is if poor results have a negative effect on confidence and the situation goes from bad to worse. Despite unconvincing performances, we should still have at least 4 points from our opening 3 games based on chances created (I actually mean from our home games, because we were lucky to get a point a PV). If we had, players would be confident and nobody would be getting on KC's back too much. As it stands we have 1 point and the tension may start to show on the pitch. When DA got sacked we had started the season playing good football but without scoring goals. After a few early defeats the performances stopped and the defeats got heavier.

I hate to hear managers use the phrase, but it really is a question of "fine lines" and I reckon we must win one of the next two to have a chance of building confidence and momentum in the team and preventing the kind of downward spriral that got DA sacked. There are still problems of imbalance in the team, but a bit of confidence and less "tweaking" from KC this year, might make a significant difference.

Very Good Post,

Although I dont think its just confidence with the players. Wins bring about confidence amongst the fans making them more supportive and easier to play in front of. When you are berated for your every touch you will start to over think things and take less risks.
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2019, 19:06:38 pm »

I was following the Chelsea/Leicester game on the bbc website whilst sat waiting for my flight home from my holidays when I read a post that amused me from a disgruntled Chelsea supporter. He/she was bemoaning Lampards tactical nous and in particular, his choice to adopt zonal marking!

For me, that is something I cant get my head around. Zonal marking. And its costing us at the minute. It reminds me of the time when JE (RIP) elected to play Rico and Revell as a forward partnership, whilst persisting with that crazy wing back system for the first few games of the season he got sacked in. JE proved himself once again to be an excellent manager after his departure here, taking Orient back into the football league at the first attempt.

For now, I'm firmly in the Curle In, 'camp'. He earned a good crack of it steadying the ship last season, and finally stopping the rot which had well and truly set in aka Chesterfield. The football wasn't pretty, but I swatted that away given the resources he had at his disposal.

He then spent the summer bringing in some decent players, but strangely kept playing 'past it' trialist's including Tyson and that useless bod from Milton Keynes in the friendlies at the expense of Morais; 3 games in, he's back in the match day squad. Ditto, Billy Waters. That made no sense to me at the time, and still doesn't.

We are now leaking goals, not in open play (our defensive line is pretty solid), but from set pieces.

KC needs to go back to basics, like he did on his arrival. We now have better players and I believe the football will come good, but the team needs to start winning again and quickly. Get Bunney involved, another curious situation that again makes little sense. Played as a centre back throughout the pre-season, then omitted from the first team, despite us not having any other decent left sided midfield option.

He needs to stop over thinking things, just stick his best 11 players on the pitch in their favoured positions (we have more than enough fit players to do that); man mark at corners/set pieces; stop putting players publicly up for sale (a buyer will be made aware due to the involvement of agents and its considerably more dignified), and mix things up a bit in the final third. Again, we have the players who we can hoof the ball up to, but we also have players who we can pass the ball to as well!!). We are too predicable at the minute.

Finally, though, and for balance. We are 3 league games into the season. Its still too early to properly gauge what we think our tactics actually are; any football team can appear to be direct in just a few hours of football, when in reality its more down to confidence, lack of synergy with team mates etc.

We also need to learn from whats happened to us during the last few years. The obvious candidate that will be discussed to death if KC does get the bullet anytime soon would be Sol Campbell. Lets say he comes in, gets us promoted...you can be absolutely 100% sure that he will be off to a higher level club, just like Chris Wilder did. And just like Colin Calderwood did. And just like JFH did after some success at Burton. We then start back at the beginning again! At least if KC was to do well here, we'd more than likely continue the journey together given his age/cv/profile etc.

People talk about the fact he's never got a team promoted. Well Graham Carr only got one football league promoted during his career. Kevin Wilson/Broadhurst likewise. Colin Calderwood did manage eventually to take Forest up after he left here, but only back to their 'natural level'. Ian Atkins had one promotion.

There is no reason why, if he evolves his tactics and tweaks the squad a little in the next couple of weeks, he cant be successful and get his one and only promotion to date here in Northampton. He's come close a few times before. His record isn't great, but its not terrible either. I question whether we would get better. Rob Page, JFH were both useless. I thought the same about JE, but either side of his stay here he was a successful manager. He does need to win a game quick though, otherwise the knifes will be out when we play Bradford next weekened. We need a win either tonight or on Saturday to avoid a likely toxic atmosphere. But that, as they say, is football.
 



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