Manwork04
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« Reply #80 on: August 26, 2019, 12:48:36 pm » |
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Well the transfer deadline is, what, a week away?
It would make absolutely zero sense to give him 2 games, then sack him, and we are left high and dry until January with regards to any transfer dealings.
He's either sacked now, or its business as usual. Get a couple of additions in (we currently only have 20 senior players, 3 of which are goal keepers), and hope that things improve.
Without having any inside knowledge, I'm still firmly behind KC, despite us looking useless. I just cant get NTFC 1 Dagenham 2 out of my head, which was the 6th game of our championship winning season. IF we were to beat Plymouth next week, we'd have the same record after 6 games as we did then. That Dagenham game was one of the most woeful performances I've ever seen from a Cobblers side, but we all know what happened afterwards.
On a positive, we look totally solid. 5 games in, w'eve only conceded (I think) 1 goal from open play, and the zonal marking has vastly improved this week when we are defending set pieces. Obviously its going forward where the problems lie, not helped by the fact we have 3 strikers whom have very similar attributes. And Hoskins.
Curle dumped plan A to quick, which was to have Warburton as the deeper forward. He needs to revert back to that in the next game because having 2 lumps up top is not effectively, and its horrible to watch. Against Walsall, we looked close to being a decent team. I didn't see us v Port Vale or Macclesfield, but obviously followed them closely. The last two games, we've not created anything of note, Adams has been crap, and there's zero creativity coming down the left or through the middle. Its not rocket science. The squad is decent on paper minus a left winger and a goal scorer. Its weird that 5 games in, we are not seeing those spaces filled. Has the money ran out?
I think you might be very much in the minority come Sat night mate, unless he goes all out attack against Plymouth which I simply can’t see. He will set up ultra defensive terrified of losing and we will suffer another 1-0 defeat at home and the natives will definitely turn. fair play for your optimism though.
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Vintage Cobbler
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« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2019, 13:29:17 pm » |
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I don't believe the 2 matches deadline to turn things around rumour mill. Whatever I may think of KC and his dire brand of football it is too early in my view for the taxi. It will come but not just yet. KT or more particularly DB will be thinking about the financial side first and foremost. Our owners are doing the bare minimum on the football side as they seek to advance the reason for being here.
In any event, the very notion of letting KT loose for the sixth time in less than 4 years to appoint a new manager fills me with dread.
We are between a rock and a hard place on this.
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Manwork04
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« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2019, 13:33:13 pm » |
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I don't believe the 2 matches deadline to turn things around rumour mill. Whatever I may think of KC and his dire brand of football it is too early in my view for the taxi. It will come but not just yet. KT or more particularly DB will be thinking about the financial side first and foremost. Our owners are doing the bare minimum on the football side as they seek to advance the reason for being here.
In any event, the very notion of letting KT loose for the sixth time in less than 4 years to appoint a new manager fills me with dread.
We are between a rock and a hard place on this.
Completely agree with the last bit, football man my ar5e
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cobbler_rob
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« Reply #83 on: August 26, 2019, 14:16:02 pm » |
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I don’t think KT will hold off sacking him for financial reasons, look at Edinburgh and Austin, when he needs to he’s willing to sack them regardless.
The ironic thing is we’ve looked quite solid at the back despite having our 1st choice keeper, 3 of our 1st choice back 4 and our main defensive midfielder out injured. I’m sure most teams who lost 5 of their starting defensive players would look weak at the back but we haven’t particularly
Going forwards though it’s dreadful. We’ve replaced the pace and skill of Powell and Morias with 2 big men who make us very one dimensional. If he’s spent all of his budget, and he’s reliant on players like Waters to leave to bring anyone else in, then he’s messed up the recruitment big style in my opinion. If he still has spare budget, and is going after a left winger and pacey striker, then it might be all ok. A couple of new signings can make a huge difference
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OCoole
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« Reply #84 on: August 26, 2019, 14:32:11 pm » |
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I don’t think KT will hold off sacking him for financial reasons, look at Edinburgh and Austin, when he needs to he’s willing to sack them regardless.
The ironic thing is we’ve looked quite solid at the back despite having our 1st choice keeper, 3 of our 1st choice back 4 and our main defensive midfielder out injured. I’m sure most teams who lost 5 of their starting defensive players would look weak at the back but we haven’t particularly
Going forwards though it’s dreadful. We’ve replaced the pace and skill of Powell and Morias with 2 big men who make us very one dimensional. If he’s spent all of his budget, and he’s reliant on players like Waters to leave to bring anyone else in, then he’s messed up the recruitment big style in my opinion. If he still has spare budget, and is going after a left winger and pacey striker, then it might be all ok. A couple of new signings can make a huge difference
I agree for the most part, however I think Curle strongly believes in that a rigid, hard to break down defensive game plan with the ball going out wide (to Adams) with the aim being to score headed goals (Smith) from deep crosses is the best way to play - a little bit like Lincoln with the Andrade / Akinde combination. I don't think Lincoln played quite as much on the back foot as we do though and I agree with what another poster said somewhere on here that we don't have enough people comfortable on the ball / able to carry the ball forward. Lloyd Isgrove looked very good at that against us recently and perhaps we need a player like that
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guest2677
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« Reply #85 on: August 26, 2019, 17:08:47 pm » |
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I dont think he's going anywhere yet. Why would they sack him? It would only make sense if there was a real risk of going non league. We are only five games in. We are two points ahead of 23rd and four points off 7th. That's midtable over a season. Mind you, I havent witnessed the football so maybe I'm missing something
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observer1
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« Reply #86 on: August 26, 2019, 17:10:34 pm » |
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Mind you, I havent witnessed the football so maybe I'm missing something Quite the contrary, if you haven't witnessed the football you've missed precisely nothing. That's the problem.
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guest3063
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« Reply #87 on: August 26, 2019, 17:17:16 pm » |
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I dont think he's going anywhere yet. Why would they sack him? It would only make sense if there was a real risk of going non league. We are only five games in. We are two points ahead of 23rd and four points off 7th. That's midtable over a season. Mind you, I havent witnessed the football so maybe I'm missing something That didn't stop him sacking Justin Edinburgh or Dean Austin.
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guest2677
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« Reply #88 on: August 26, 2019, 17:21:27 pm » |
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That didn't stop him sacking Justin Edinburgh or Dean Austin.
We had 'money' when Edinburgh was sacked and Austin I assume, was a cheap option with a plan b already in the air should he fail (and another 5 games in).
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guest3086
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« Reply #89 on: August 26, 2019, 17:53:25 pm » |
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Don't forget we are a work in progress.
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Larry
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« Reply #90 on: August 26, 2019, 18:11:09 pm » |
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We had 'money' when Edinburgh was sacked and Austin I assume, was a cheap option with a plan b already in the air should he fail (and another 5 games in).
I don't think we've ever had much money, I've assumed it's been a question of treading water until the Council stuff it sorted. Neither Thomas or Bower have any affinity for the club or have buckets of cash so why should they pour their hard earned money into it? Let's just stick with a manager for a couple of seasons to give him the chance to put together a coherent team, it's the constant sackings that are the cause of the problem, wasting money with payoffs and the inevitable player changes. We are not likely to experience another season like the recent champions one so we should treat it like the fluke it was and be more realistic in the future.
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guest2677
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« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2019, 18:26:00 pm » |
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I don't think we've ever had much money, I've assumed it's been a question of treading water until the Council stuff it sorted. Neither Thomas or Bower have any affinity for the club or have buckets of cash so why should they pour their hard earned money into it? Let's just stick with a manager for a couple of seasons to give him the chance to put together a coherent team, it's the constant sackings that are the cause of the problem, wasting money with payoffs and the inevitable player changes. We are not likely to experience another season like the recent champions one so we should treat it like the fluke it was and be more realistic in the future.
I was referring to the so called Chinese money real or imaginary. We seemed to go on a spending spree appointing JFH and some supposed better calibre players at a similar time. We're our owners duped back then? I largely agree with you otherwise. Not sure I'd automatically give Curle more than this season...he will need to make real progress, but I wouldn't sack him either unless our league status is seriously called into question.
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Tabasco Kid
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« Reply #92 on: August 26, 2019, 18:35:15 pm » |
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it's the constant sackings that are the cause of the problem, wasting money with payoffs and the inevitable player changes.
No mate. Its the appointment of s*** managers that are the cause of the problem.
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Were in the pipe 5 by 5.
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cobbler_rob
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« Reply #93 on: August 26, 2019, 18:39:36 pm » |
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I agree for the most part, however I think Curle strongly believes in that a rigid, hard to break down defensive game plan with the ball going out wide (to Adams) with the aim being to score headed goals (Smith) from deep crosses is the best way to play - a little bit like Lincoln with the Andrade / Akinde combination. I don't think Lincoln played quite as much on the back foot as we do though and I agree with what another poster said somewhere on here that we don't have enough people comfortable on the ball / able to carry the ball forward. Lloyd Isgrove looked very good at that against us recently and perhaps we need a player like that
It’s interesting as I watched a lot of Carlisle games under Curle and it was the complete opposite, they were often referred to as ‘kamikaze carlisle’ and lost 4-3 rather than 1-0!
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GrangeParkCobbler
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« Reply #94 on: August 26, 2019, 19:14:21 pm » |
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Money talks, and if gates are consistently 500 down, that’s potentially £10k per home game in lost revenue. The boring football puts people off, coupled with poor results. Then the question is not how much does it cost to sack him, more how much it costs to keep him.
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Tabasco Kid
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« Reply #95 on: August 26, 2019, 19:16:24 pm » |
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Money talks, and if gates are consistently 500 down, that’s potentially £10k per home game in lost revenue. The boring football puts people off, coupled with poor results. Then the question is not how much does it cost to sack him, more how much it costs to keep him.
100% agree.
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Were in the pipe 5 by 5.
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Dan
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« Reply #96 on: August 26, 2019, 19:38:27 pm » |
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Money talks, and if gates are consistently 500 down, that’s potentially £10k per home game in lost revenue. The boring football puts people off, coupled with poor results. Then the question is not how much does it cost to sack him, more how much it costs to keep him.
Absolutely this.
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everbrite
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« Reply #97 on: August 26, 2019, 19:49:47 pm » |
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No mate. Its the appointment of **** managers that are the cause of the problem.
No you got it wrong as Larry is quite right. Some of the sacked managers have gone on to better things Page, JE for example. I suspect it is us with a manic desire for instant success and the negative carping by many on here.
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guest1269
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« Reply #98 on: August 26, 2019, 20:20:42 pm » |
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No you got it wrong as Larry is quite right. Some of the sacked managers have gone on to better things Page, JE for example. I suspect it is us with a manic desire for instant success and the negative carping by many on here.
Please enlighten us why “our manic desire for instant success and the negative carping” have influenced results, performance and the entertainment factor we are witnessing? Whilst you undying support is commendable sometimes as a grown up you have to accept something is wrong and be able to discuss it.
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Patmore
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« Reply #99 on: August 26, 2019, 20:29:16 pm » |
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What an utterly pathetic, but entirely predictable thread. The majority just need to f*cking grow up.
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