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« Reply #100 on: September 01, 2019, 13:25:05 pm »

Good performance all over the pitch. Not totally sure Plymouth helped themselves much with their insistence on playing it out from the back at all times, put themselves under pressure quite a few times. If we don't follow it up with equally as impressive performances in the next few games though it'll count for nothing. Bit dissapointed I can't go again now for 3 weeks - and I've not thought that in about 4 years
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« Reply #101 on: September 01, 2019, 13:30:50 pm »

Who were Adams and Bunney so unhappy with towards the end of the highlights where Plymouth nearly scored? Couldn't work it out

Probably the ease with which Plymouth were able to get the cross in .... McWilliams was left "two on one" not for the first time.
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« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2019, 15:04:13 pm »

No other threads added to since 22:08 last night … look at the peace and harmony a stonking, well deserved win brings  Grin
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« Reply #103 on: September 01, 2019, 17:17:12 pm »

No other threads added to since 22:08 last night … look at the peace and harmony a stonking, well deserved win brings  Grin
Must be bad, had to go on other fans forums for my daily fix of online moaning. A lot of the Plymouth lads are saying it could have been 5 and are worried about their defence. You’d have thought they’d have had a start to the season like ours the way they are going on? Scunnthorpe are also understandably concerned. Van Veen out injured again for a while and has also had a fall out with the manager and been playing for the under 23s apparently, oh dear. Although could be back in contention soon?
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« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2019, 18:46:10 pm »

Van Veen unused sub yesterday at Scunny, what with them losing and bottom of the pile. How the mighty have fallen !
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« Reply #105 on: September 01, 2019, 18:53:39 pm »

Hopefully Curle has at last found the right combination and gameplan: 4-2-3-1 with a high press and Williams as the main striker. Wilder played a similar system during the first half of our championship winning season, before going to 4-4-2 when Rico (with whom Williams shares some similarities) got injured.

Hoskins has shown encouraging signs in the last two games - Arsenal U21 and this - that he has is starting to learn something from Curle's coaching. The more astute members of our fanbase have always recognised his good qualities (close control, pace, low centre of gravity, the ability to take the ball up the pitch, workrate) whilst remaining frustrated at his decision making and end product. I think it should be abundantly clear to people now that he has the ability to be a very dangerous player at this level. He is at last being played in the system where he made such a promising initial impact under Wilder. Curle needs to keep drilling him on finishing and crossing with composure and he needs a sustained run of games so he can build up an understanding with Williams, Warburton and Adams.

To his credit, I think Curle has realised that 4-2-3-1 only really works if you have a striker with the guile to make the correct runs and engage in interplay with the triumvirate behind him. Harry Smith doesn't have the experience or tactical nous to do that yet, so his remit should be to learn from Williams and to gradually increase his contribution as he matures.

I just hope Curle realises that he's on to a good thing and tries to hone it rather than to tinker with things. It was an excellent performance which should set the bar for the rest of the season.
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« Reply #106 on: September 01, 2019, 18:54:22 pm »

Scunnthorpe are also understandably concerned. Van Veen out injured again for a while and has also had a fall out with the manager and been playing for the under 23s apparently, oh dear. Although could be back in contention soon?
I have to say that Scunny is up there with my least favourite away days. In fact, you could include all of Lincolnshire in that. Apart from Boston. I quite enjoyed those couple of visits. Especially when Martin Smith announced his arrival.
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« Reply #107 on: September 01, 2019, 20:09:31 pm »

Van Veen unused sub yesterday at Scunny, what with them losing and bottom of the pile. How the mighty have fallen !
He was right, not a league 2 player, more National League
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« Reply #108 on: September 01, 2019, 21:33:09 pm »

He was never mighty though was he ? Only in his own eyes    Cool
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« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2019, 22:59:50 pm »

Plymouth really weren't very good were they? I expected them to be so much better. Very odd. I know we played the best we have done in a while which is great and their poor performance was down to us not letting them play for the bulk of the game. They looked like a team like we were under Dean Austin, quite pretty on the eye but a bit of a pushover. With the right players for that style it works but from what I saw, they don't have the right players.
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« Reply #110 on: September 02, 2019, 06:12:14 am »

Plymouth really weren't very good were they? I expected them to be so much better. Very odd. I know we played the best we have done in a while which is great and their poor performance was down to us not letting them play for the bulk of the game. They looked like a team like we were under Dean Austin, quite pretty on the eye but a bit of a pushover. With the right players for that style it works but from what I saw, they don't have the right players.
I think one of the main frustrations with Curle speak is his relentless talk of 'nullifying' the opposition. On Saturday we 'imposed' ourselves on Plymouth and they could not cope with us!

For once in a longtime it was entertaining watching the Cobblers, so I hope we carry on playing positive football 'in their faces', on the front foot.

Over to Curle!
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« Reply #111 on: September 02, 2019, 10:05:51 am »

I think omitting a target man from the line up made a big difference how we played.
For once we didn’t lump it early and played through the midfield .
Long may this continue but we are talking Keith Curle here and anything could happen.
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« Reply #112 on: September 02, 2019, 10:46:45 am »

Andy Williams in the EFL team of the week...
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« Reply #113 on: September 02, 2019, 10:54:00 am »

I think omitting a target man from the line up made a big difference how we played.
For once we didn’t lump it early and played through the midfield .
Long may this continue but we are talking Keith Curle here and anything could happen.

i think there were quite a few times that we went long - but there were also times we played through the midfield.

variety being the key.

had plymouth mixed it up a bit more they might have caused us more problems.
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« Reply #114 on: September 02, 2019, 13:03:54 pm »

The two best performances this calendar year have been Carlisle at home in January when we won 3-0 with Jack Bridge starring and Plymouth last Saturday. In both cases we played atypical opposition who wanted to play the ball from the back. This enabled us to play a high pressing game to good effect.

However against more typical league 2 opponents who prefer to lump the ball early to quick forwards this may not be an option.  We will encounter more physical opponents than Plymouth that will severely test our defense and that is when we will find out if the players we have are strong enough to achieve success at this level.
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« Reply #115 on: September 02, 2019, 13:42:30 pm »

The two best performances this calendar year have been Carlisle at home in January when we won 3-0 with Jack Bridge starring and Plymouth last Saturday. In both cases we played atypical opposition who wanted to play the ball from the back. This enabled us to play a high pressing game to good effect.

However against more typical league 2 opponents who prefer to lump the ball early to quick forwards this may not be an option.  We will encounter more physical opponents than Plymouth that will severely test our defense and that is when we will find out if the players we have are strong enough to achieve success at this level.

Yes and another reason why we are arguably more effective away from home .
The problem is , we can’t just wait for pretty teams to play and need a game plan for the remaining matches .
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« Reply #116 on: September 02, 2019, 14:13:23 pm »

Well, where to start! Probably one of the best performances I’ve seen from us since Wilder. From the first minute the intensity, aggression and desire to win the ball back was as good as it gets really. Thought Turnbull and Watson were outstanding along with Hoskins and Williams. What was even more impressive was the way the lads continued to stick to the task even when we got pegged back to 1-1 when many times in the past we’d have let Plymouth take control and dictate the game.

It’s a shame it took five games for the lads to realise that relentless pressure on the ball is half the battle in this division. They have got to carry this through now, week in week out. I do think the way Plymouth play means that forward players get more space so it will be interesting to see how we go against the so called ‘lesser’’ sides. I thought they were very poor in possession on Saturday but you can see they like to play and with the players they have I still think they’ll be right up there challenging this year.

KC has to demand that level of intensity week in week out. Of course there are going to be games where we are not firing up front or the end product is lacking, but in terms of pressure on the ball and intensity, it simply has to be a regular thing done by the team as a collective. Hopefully after that display we’ll take a few up to Bradford and really get behind the lads.
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« Reply #117 on: September 02, 2019, 15:20:00 pm »

Well, where to start! Probably one of the best performances I’ve seen from us since Wilder. From the first minute the intensity, aggression and desire to win the ball back was as good as it gets really. Thought Turnbull and Watson were outstanding along with Hoskins and Williams. What was even more impressive was the way the lads continued to stick to the task even when we got pegged back to 1-1 when many times in the past we’d have let Plymouth take control and dictate the game.

It’s a shame it took five games for the lads to realise that relentless pressure on the ball is half the battle in this division. They have got to carry this through now, week in week out. I do think the way Plymouth play means that forward players get more space so it will be interesting to see how we go against the so called ‘lesser’’ sides. I thought they were very poor in possession on Saturday but you can see they like to play and with the players they have I still think they’ll be right up there challenging this year.

KC has to demand that level of intensity week in week out. Of course there are going to be games where we are not firing up front or the end product is lacking, but in terms of pressure on the ball and intensity, it simply has to be a regular thing done by the team as a collective. Hopefully after that display we’ll take a few up to Bradford and really get behind the lads.


So what changed? Why the difference in effort and commitment for this game? Was it a change of tactic employed by the Manager, or did the 11 on the pitch just decide to a man they were "going to try harder" this week? Do you think it took 5 games for the players to realise, or did it take 5 games for the manager to demand?

You're right, that level of intensity and style of play has to be demanded every game, and I think under Wilder it was, he made it clear what was expected and we went out and performed like that game after game.

I do hope that this one game was not a flash in the pan, time will tell on that.
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« Reply #118 on: September 02, 2019, 16:16:12 pm »

The two best performances this calendar year have been Carlisle at home in January when we won 3-0 with Jack Bridge starring and Plymouth last Saturday. In both cases we played atypical opposition who wanted to play the ball from the back. This enabled us to play a high pressing game to good effect.

However against more typical league 2 opponents who prefer to lump the ball early to quick forwards this may not be an option.  We will encounter more physical opponents than Plymouth that will severely test our defense and that is when we will find out if the players we have are strong enough to achieve success at this level.

If you can keep awake these are the Guardiola principals for the pressing game. Apparently part of it is trying to force the long ball, work that out???
Main Principle – When the ball is dispossessed, immediate pressure must be applied to the opponent, while the others seek a covering position.
Sub-Principle in FGZ – When the ball is dispossessed, the 2 players closest to the ball must quickly apply pressure and cover, in an effort to force the long ball or collect the second ball.
Sub-Principle in BGZ – The player closest to the ball applies pressure in order to buy time for teammates to regain positional balance.
Sub-Principle in SGZ – The player closest to the ball must apply pressure while the team establishes a zonal defense.
Sub-Sub Principle – Defensive Line Fundamental – Defending outside of the penalty area.
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« Reply #119 on: September 02, 2019, 16:40:22 pm »

If you can keep awake these are the Guardiola principals for the pressing game. Apparently part of it is trying to force the long ball, work that out???
Main Principle – When the ball is dispossessed, immediate pressure must be applied to the opponent, while the others seek a covering position.
Sub-Principle in FGZ – When the ball is dispossessed, the 2 players closest to the ball must quickly apply pressure and cover, in an effort to force the long ball or collect the second ball.
Sub-Principle in BGZ – The player closest to the ball applies pressure in order to buy time for teammates to regain positional balance.
Sub-Principle in SGZ – The player closest to the ball must apply pressure while the team establishes a zonal defense.
Sub-Sub Principle – Defensive Line Fundamental – Defending outside of the penalty area.

That's Aussie Rules isn't it?
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