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« Reply #120 on: September 09, 2019, 14:51:52 pm »

Didn't go to the game, but thought I'd comment on our form so far.

After our first 3 matches of the season, we had a tough run of 5 games: Swindon, Colchester, Plymouth, Bradford and Newport. A draw against Newport would give us 7 points from these 5 matches, IMO an encouraging return considering all (bar maybe Colchester) will likely finish in the top 7 this season.

The losses in the first two home matches however have been the most damaging so far. Even a win against a poor Macclesfield side would have seen us on 10 points which would have been a solid start to the season.

Our next 8-9 matches after Newport are IMO much more favourable and it will be our return from these fixtures that will indicate whether we will do well this season or not.

Agreed. I really do think that the next 7-8 will determine whether Curle makes it to the end of the season or not.
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« Reply #121 on: September 09, 2019, 14:59:57 pm »

Well it must have been fairly quiet murmurs because usually our fans aren't afraid to be extremely vocal on Curle. I agree with you on the tactics point, you always need an out ball. But the players have got to take some blame. They kept giving the ball away time and time again. The more experienced players in the squad needed to manage the game better. You have experienced players for that exact reason. Last week when we beat Plymouth everyone was raving about how good Turnbull, Hoskins, Adams, Goode etc played but this week its all KC's fault. It works both ways. When we win its because of how good our players were or the opposition giving us more space but when we lose its KC's fault. Not saying you personally, but many on here.
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Why should the players take any blame, Curle NEVER takes any blame yet sites certain players as he did on Saturday, man management = zero
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« Reply #122 on: September 09, 2019, 16:00:52 pm »

They should take blame because they are paid to do a job. Asking why a footballer should take blame is utterly ridiculous. Players should take blame, managerís should take blame. They are all paid to do a job. Of course the buck stops with the manager but not everything is the managerís fault. This isnít a video game where he has control over every players step. Example: we had a two v one in the first half and Hoskins couldnít even keep himself on-side. You would shout at a 16 year old for doing that never mind an experienced professional. Iím not saying KC shouldnít take blame but so should the players. It canít be KCís doing when we lose but the playersí doing when we win. It works both ways.
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« Reply #123 on: September 09, 2019, 16:09:54 pm »

I would say the likes of Crawley , Stevenage , Grimsby and Orient, all of whom we are playing over the next few weeks are teams on a par with us . If we donít put up decent performances and reap points against those sides Curle needs to think about his future.
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« Reply #124 on: September 09, 2019, 16:16:33 pm »

Maybe Lincoln could take him?
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« Reply #125 on: September 09, 2019, 16:48:00 pm »

They should take blame because they are paid to do a job. Asking why a footballer should take blame is utterly ridiculous. Players should take blame, managerís should take blame. They are all paid to do a job. Of course the buck stops with the manager but not everything is the managerís fault. This isnít a video game where he has control over every players step. Example: we had a two v one in the first half and Hoskins couldnít even keep himself on-side. You would shout at a 16 year old for doing that never mind an experienced professional. Iím not saying KC shouldnít take blame but so should the players. It canít be KCís doing when we lose but the playersí doing when we win. It works both ways.

ok Harry Smith took the blame earlier in the season , Curle has never taken the blame , **** man management, and that's from within the club , hes awful.

Stick up for your players occasionally, berate your players occasionally, but freeze them out because they question you ?, he should take it on the chin, Wilder used to, that's why curle is not fit to lace his boots
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« Reply #126 on: September 09, 2019, 17:02:59 pm »

ok Harry Smith took the blame earlier in the season , Curle has never taken the blame , **** man management, and that's from within the club , hes awful.

Stick up for your players occasionally, berate your players occasionally, but freeze them out because they question you ?, he should take it on the chin, Wilder used to, that's why curle is not fit to lace his boots

Not sure youíre reading my posts correctly. Iím saying as fans we canít just always blame the manager when we lose but then when we win itís all down to the players. Our result on Saturday was the fault of KC AND the players.
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« Reply #127 on: September 09, 2019, 18:03:19 pm »

Not sure youíre reading my posts correctly. Iím saying as fans we canít just always blame the manager when we lose but then when we win itís all down to the players. Our result on Saturday was the fault of KC AND the players.

The three missed chances exemplified by Melly is sufficient proof that the loss is 50/50 down to players and management alike.
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« Reply #128 on: September 09, 2019, 18:20:29 pm »

Get the point about players having to accept responsibility (Ash Taylor anyone?) but absolutely, Curle's total non-acceptance plus his rather bizarre substitions (though thought Oliver was good when coming on - that header!) has to be a factor.
Total capitulation in the second half.

Still, my GF's failure to get a fire certificate for our flag - resulting in it not being allowed into the stadium, deserves close scrutiny!  Grin
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« Reply #129 on: September 09, 2019, 18:53:09 pm »

Get the point about players having to accept responsibility (Ash Taylor anyone?) but absolutely, Curle's total non-acceptance plus his rather bizarre substitions (though thought Oliver was good when coming on - that header!) has to be a factor.
Total capitulation in the second half.

Still, my GF's failure to get a fire certificate for our flag - resulting in it not being allowed into the stadium, deserves close scrutiny!  Grin

GF = Girl Friend??
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« Reply #130 on: September 09, 2019, 19:02:19 pm »

GF = Girl Friend??
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« Reply #131 on: September 09, 2019, 20:04:41 pm »

Get the point about players having to accept responsibility (Ash Taylor anyone?) but absolutely, Curle's total non-acceptance plus his rather bizarre substitions (though thought Oliver was good when coming on - that header!) has to be a factor.
Total capitulation in the second half.

Still, my GF's failure to get a fire certificate for our flag - resulting in it not being allowed into the stadium, deserves close scrutiny!  Grin

I'm not the manager but I thought Oliver did ok too.......

Not only did Curle publicly say that he didn't do a good job of holding up the ball, now he's publicly said he defended poorly for one of the goals. Definitely the Managers scapegoat!
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« Reply #132 on: September 09, 2019, 21:24:28 pm »

I'm not the manager but I thought Oliver did ok too.......

Not only did Curle publicly say that he didn't do a good job of holding up the ball, now he's publicly said he defended poorly for one of the goals. Definitely the Managers scapegoat!
Itís everyoneís fault but Curles...... the soon heís gone the better, I maintain we will never get promoted with this guy at the helm.
17 years with no promotions is some achievement!
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« Reply #133 on: September 09, 2019, 22:17:12 pm »

The losses in the first two home matches however have been the most damaging so far. Even a win against a poor Macclesfield side would have seen us on 10 points which would have been a solid start to the season.

Our next 8-9 matches after Newport are IMO much more favourable and it will be our return from these fixtures that will indicate whether we will do well this season or not.

Sound like we need to re-instate the Easier games to come thread.......
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« Reply #134 on: September 09, 2019, 22:59:47 pm »

Sound like we need to re-instate the Easier games to come thread.......

Noooooooooooo!!
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« Reply #135 on: September 10, 2019, 00:35:38 am »

From my position, this was a good away performance.

We have immense defenders, who can thwart all.

Our midfield didn't quite step up, and our forwards failed to do their job.

So, midfield need to be prepared to move forward quickly as soon as we are about to win possession, not sit around waiting for tippy-tappy.  3 managers have lost their jobs due to this failure.

Forwards need to do their dirty work whilst the ref is looking at the ball, then fall over like they've been shot as soon as the ref looks at them.  Think, guys, think!  3 managers have lost their jobs due to the failures of our forwards to do their jobs.

So, either the chairman is sh1te, every manager we have had is sh1te, else we have endemic issues at the club......

The only common factor is the membership of this comment board.

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« Reply #136 on: September 10, 2019, 05:54:24 am »

Itís everyoneís fault but Curles...... the soon heís gone the better, I maintain we will never get promoted with this guy at the helm.
17 years with no promotions is some achievement!
So who do you think should be manager?

Austin?.....oh no......(Now Premiership Assistant Manager)
Page?....oh no.....(Now International  Age group Manager)
Boothroyd?....oh no......(Now England U-21Manager)
Johnson?....he got promotions in his career!
JFH......oh no, oh no, oh no!!!!!!!

Easy choice?

Manwork, question- in your last one hundred postings is their one positive message amongst them?
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« Reply #137 on: September 10, 2019, 08:22:24 am »

So who do you think should be manager?

Austin?.....oh no......(Now Premiership Assistant Manager)
Page?....oh no.....(Now International  Age group Manager)
Boothroyd?....oh no......(Now England U-21Manager)
Johnson?....he got promotions in his career!
JFH......oh no, oh no, oh no!!!!!!!

Easy choice?

Manwork, question- in your last one hundred postings is their one positive message amongst them?
Since 2016 which would be my last 100 posts, how well have we done as a club?
Relegation
Survival In Div2
Bottom half of Div 2
You may settle for surviving, I donít pal.
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« Reply #138 on: September 10, 2019, 08:27:58 am »

Austin?.....oh no......(Now Premiership Assistant Manager) - coach!
Page?....oh no.....(Now International  Age group Manager) - coach!
Boothroyd?....oh no......(Now England U-21Manager) - coach!
Johnson?....he got promotions in his career! - nutter
JFH......oh no, oh no, oh no!!!!!!! - egomaniac

Austin just needed a older wiser head as his number 2 - he chose not to have one.
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« Reply #139 on: September 10, 2019, 08:48:31 am »

From my position, this was a good away performance.

We have immense defenders, who can thwart all.

Our midfield didn't quite step up, and our forwards failed to do their job.

So, midfield need to be prepared to move forward quickly as soon as we are about to win possession, not sit around waiting for tippy-tappy.  3 managers have lost their jobs due to this failure.

Forwards need to do their dirty work whilst the ref is looking at the ball, then fall over like they've been shot as soon as the ref looks at them.  Think, guys, think!  3 managers have lost their jobs due to the failures of our forwards to do their jobs!

Agree with some of this and the use of olde English Ďthwartí Cool. As a matter of interest which of the midfield failed to do their job?
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