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« Reply #120 on: September 18, 2019, 10:14:35 am »

Special mention to the singing section last night, an excellent performance.
Was Dan back in after his absence?


It was good all match didn’t see Danny boy!
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« Reply #121 on: September 18, 2019, 10:23:42 am »

Not sure about Breakspears competence but on Smiths second yellow he was surrounded by gesticulating SFc players. The injured player lay comatose but got up and happily resumed. The first yellow was very doubtful their goalie gave Smith an almighty push was booked but no idea why he booked Smith. Like to think we will appeal against 1st booking? I was wrong in saying Guthrie forced a great save from Cornell it was another player!
You are not allowed to appeal yellow cards only 'straight' reds!
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« Reply #122 on: September 18, 2019, 10:26:07 am »

You are not allowed to appeal yellow cards only 'straight' reds!

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« Reply #123 on: September 18, 2019, 10:29:53 am »

Over the past three seasons, he's sent off seven different players. O'Toole, Buchanan, Barnett, Crooks, Pereira, Foley and Smith. Can our club request that he never ref's us again as this is looking like a grudge for some reason?


 Shocked  Seven in seven although one game he didn't but made up for it by two in one.  Remembering most of them and looking at them in isolation the majority were all for stupid decisions by the players involved.  (Notice JJOT received two cautions last night)

Wasn't sure about the first last night for Smith, however I believe that it was for flicking the ball away and then a couple of verbals afterwards so deserved.  The second looked a lot worse from his angle (same as the TV) than ours and deserved a second caution, could have been a straight red.
Although as someone has said before, all teams know that Mr Breakspear applies the Law appropriately, why give him an excuse when so soon after your first, why go in for a 30/70 tackle like that?
The Vadaine, Goode and McWilliams cautions last night were just genuine stupidity and mandatory. I can't remember Turnbulls?
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« Reply #124 on: September 18, 2019, 11:11:13 am »

You can’t blame that sending off last night on Breakspear .
Smith has just received a caution , rightly or wrongly and then clatters into the player . The bloke is a walking sending off every time he plays and when you have a referee like our friend Charles you have to temper your aggression.
Smith needs to employ a brain cell every so often
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« Reply #125 on: September 18, 2019, 12:02:06 pm »

Shocked  Seven in seven although one game he didn't but made up for it by two in one.  Remembering most of them and looking at them in isolation the majority were all for stupid decisions by the players involved.  (Notice JJOT received two cautions last night)

Wasn't sure about the first last night for Smith, however I believe that it was for flicking the ball away and then a couple of verbals afterwards so deserved.  The second looked a lot worse from his angle (same as the TV) than ours and deserved a second caution, could have been a straight red.
Although as someone has said before, all teams know that Mr Breakspear applies the Law appropriately, why give him an excuse when so soon after your first, why go in for a 30/70 tackle like that?
The Vadaine, Goode and McWilliams cautions last night were just genuine stupidity and mandatory. I can't remember Turnbulls?

You use the term 'isolation'. And that leads me onto my point. The guy doesn't show, EVER, any degree of discretion. He's a non human VAR - he never spends a split second considering his actions, just reaches for his card as if he gets a kick out of it.

45 reds in his last 139 games apparently. Source James H (chron - on twitter)

I think it was Goode's booking. Where he slid in and caught their forward going sideways across the ede of the penalty box? Correct free kick, but a yellow? Technically yes, but first offense? Didn't mean it? Many ref's would have given a lecture...

For the sake of balance, their player who 'fouled' Adams. That wasn't a bloody booking, Adams totally 'bought it'. Just like their forward did with Smiths 2nd.

I do recall Turnbulls one but it wasn't at all obvious why he was booked, it was in the midfield area, ball went out for a throw in and he just waltzed over and booked him! No free kick was given so gord knows! Probably called him a c*** which if so, you couldn't blame him!  Grin
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« Reply #126 on: September 18, 2019, 12:11:32 pm »

Stevenage’s insistence on passing the ball to the full backs from the goalkeeper was hilarious . They clearly were way short of being able to accomplish this and it was only going to be a matter of time before Williams intercepted them and scored , before the forced change.
Their shooting was also appalling .
I bet they are happy only one team are going down .
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« Reply #127 on: September 18, 2019, 12:15:05 pm »

Really enjoyed last nights game. The presence of 'Charles' ensured that at some point, the atmosphere would be rampted up and as predictable as day, Smiths sending off was the catalyst for the away end to turn the volume up a notch or two and 'sing our way to victory'.

First half, poor. But what became apparent to me after 30 minutes was that to beat them, we needed to go with two lumps up top and smash the ball down their throats. I said at half time, that point. Im no fan of the long ball game usually, but last night it was needed. I was pleasantly surprised by the half term change (usually managers don't make such a change until the hour mark if their team isn't losing!) and within minutes, it got us up and running. After which, it seemed just a matter of time before we scored a 2nd goal and strolled our way to victory despite a non entity of a first 45 minutes.

Then, enter Smith. Again. First booking, must of been something he said? 2nd booking, I reckon any NORMAL ref would have given him a final warning. And only those NORMAL refs whom would have booked him, first time round. But not Charles, who couldn't wait to brandish the red card and no doubt spunk all over the pitch where the incident happened.

After which, we went backwards. And more backwards. And even more backwards. But KC had obviously done his homework. Let them cross it as many times as they want, just make sure the box is packed to clear the ball out. Our full backs moved inside so much I thought they were going to swap wings. Countless percentage balls, corners, crosses all went in, but if they won more than 10% of the first balls Id be surprised. And when they did, it didn't matter because we'd mop up 2nd time round.

A siege mentality is starting to emerge. This season, our team reminds me of Lincoln City's, last season. Lots of little things. Horrible, almost thug like away from home. Great football at home. Two different teams.  I really am starting to believe it could be a good one. Cant wait until Saturday!

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« Reply #128 on: September 18, 2019, 12:35:08 pm »

I’ve noticed how when we lost to Bradford so many on here were slating KC for his poor substitutions but not seeing many people give him props for the Smith sub yesterday and change to 4-4-2 which enhanced us massively. Funny that.

Decent second half performance. Great play for the goal and brilliant defending for the last 20 mins. Thought we looked decent with 4-4-2 and I wouldn’t mind seeing Smith and Willo combo again in the future. We’re on the charge.
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« Reply #129 on: September 18, 2019, 13:05:56 pm »

The Vadaine, Goode and McWilliams cautions last night were just genuine stupidity and mandatory. I can't remember Turnbulls?

Completely agree with this.

Wouldn't dream of defending Breakspear, but we 'played' him absolutely dreadfully last night.
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« Reply #130 on: September 18, 2019, 13:13:21 pm »

You use the term 'isolation'. And that leads me onto my point. The guy doesn't show, EVER, any degree of discretion. He's a non human VAR - he never spends a split second considering his actions, just reaches for his card as if he gets a kick out of it.

45 reds in his last 139 games apparently. Source James H (chron - on twitter)

I think it was Goode's booking. Where he slid in and caught their forward going sideways across the ede of the penalty box? Correct free kick, but a yellow? Technically yes, but first offense? Didn't mean it? Many ref's would have given a lecture...

For the sake of balance, their player who 'fouled' Adams. That wasn't a bloody booking, Adams totally 'bought it'. Just like their forward did with Smiths 2nd.

I do recall Turnbulls one but it wasn't at all obvious why he was booked, it was in the midfield area, ball went out for a throw in and he just waltzed over and booked him! No free kick was given so gord knows! Probably called him a c*** which if so, you couldn't blame him!  Grin

There were quite a few last night where he used discretion and didn't reach for his card.
Goode wasn't cautioned for the foul tackle, he said something to Mr Breakspear as he walked away.  Goode needs to learn that although he has the armband, it doesn't provide him with a licence to continually 'lecture' the officials as he does.
Saw the one on Adams, he sold him and it was bought.  It happens all of the time.  All footballers are cheats.  Grin
Turnbulls was when he brought down their player moving across the edge of the box about to pull the trigger.  He probably didn't need to bring him down but it was worthy of a caution.
I thought that the officials had a good game, but I look at it through a different set of eyes to many.  There are many that are a great deal worse than Mr Breakspear, he's probably been the best we have seen this season so far.
Hopefully my explanations help.
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« Reply #131 on: September 18, 2019, 13:33:39 pm »

I’ve noticed how when we lost to Bradford so many on here were slating KC for his poor substitutions but not seeing many people give him props for the Smith sub yesterday and change to 4-4-2 which enhanced us massively. Funny that.

Decent second half performance. Great play for the goal and brilliant defending for the last 20 mins. Thought we looked decent with 4-4-2 and I wouldn’t mind seeing Smith and Willo combo again in the future. We’re on the charge.
Bearing in mind all we did was hook the ball forward at every given opportunity , it was pretty obvious a target man needed to come on . Lines , Macwilliams and Hoskins hardly touched the ball other than when tracking back .
Football isn’t just about going forward and defensively it was excellent but jeez ....
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« Reply #132 on: September 18, 2019, 13:52:28 pm »

Bearing in mind all we did was hook the ball forward at every given opportunity , it was pretty obvious a target man needed to come on . Lines , Macwilliams and Hoskins hardly touched the ball other than when tracking back .
Football isn’t just about going forward and defensively it was excellent but jeez ....

I got the impression from those near me last night that Turnball's substitution was part due to his earlier booking in the first half.
Last night KC got his substitutions/tactics correct.
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« Reply #133 on: September 18, 2019, 14:22:52 pm »

Shocked  Seven in seven although one game he didn't but made up for it by two in one.  Remembering most of them and looking at them in isolation the majority were all for stupid decisions by the players involved.  (Notice JJOT received two cautions last night)

The second looked a lot worse from his angle (same as the TV) than ours and deserved a second caution, could have been a straight red.
Although as someone has said before, all teams know that Mr Breakspear applies the Law appropriately, why give him an excuse when so soon after your first, why go in for a 30/70 tackle like that?

So being a ref (I think?) what law do you think Smith broke in making his challenge? Straight question.
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« Reply #134 on: September 18, 2019, 14:34:22 pm »

Really enjoyed last nights game. The presence of 'Charles' ensured that at some point, the atmosphere would be rampted up and as predictable as day, Smiths sending off was the catalyst for the away end to turn the volume up a notch or two and 'sing our way to victory'.

First half, poor. But what became apparent to me after 30 minutes was that to beat them, we needed to go with two lumps up top and smash the ball down their throats. I said at half time, that point. Im no fan of the long ball game usually, but last night it was needed. I was pleasantly surprised by the half term change (usually managers don't make such a change until the hour mark if their team isn't losing!) and within minutes, it got us up and running. After which, it seemed just a matter of time before we scored a 2nd goal and strolled our way to victory despite a non entity of a first 45 minutes.

Then, enter Smith. Again. First booking, must of been something he said? 2nd booking, I reckon any NORMAL ref would have given him a final warning. And only those NORMAL refs whom would have booked him, first time round. But not Charles, who couldn't wait to brandish the red card and no doubt spunk all over the pitch where the incident happened.

After which, we went backwards. And more backwards. And even more backwards. But KC had obviously done his homework. Let them cross it as many times as they want, just make sure the box is packed to clear the ball out. Our full backs moved inside so much I thought they were going to swap wings. Countless percentage balls, corners, crosses all went in, but if they won more than 10% of the first balls Id be surprised. And when they did, it didn't matter because we'd mop up 2nd time round.

A siege mentality is starting to emerge. This season, our team reminds me of Lincoln City's, last season. Lots of little things. Horrible, almost thug like away from home. Great football at home. Two different teams.  I really am starting to believe it could be a good one. Cant wait until Saturday!



Didn't notice that last night. Good spot!
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« Reply #135 on: September 18, 2019, 14:55:56 pm »

The bloke is a walking sending off every time he plays

how many times has he played for us?
how many times has he been sent off for us?

in fact, you can answer both those for his career stats as well if you like.

just so i am clear on what "every time" means.

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« Reply #136 on: September 18, 2019, 15:32:07 pm »

So being a ref (I think?) what law do you think Smith broke in making his challenge? Straight question.


Law 12: Unsporting Behaviour: Commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence.
Having looked at it from the officials' angle, which is where the TV camera was from, it 'could' have been interpreted as a red card offence (serious foul play).
It may have been the Assistant who advised the Referee 'only' to caution.

Since having moved to the 'dark side' and looking at incidents from a different set of eyes to when I played, I share the frustrations of any normal fan, however I now understand why and how those decisions are determined in accordance with the the Laws and the guidance for their interpretation.
That is why, contrary to the majority of opinions on here, I thought that the officials led by Mr Breakspear, had a good game last night.
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« Reply #137 on: September 18, 2019, 15:43:34 pm »

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i could not make it last night, but a win and a clean sheet it will do me. there are a lot of Stevenage fans here, I am looking forward to seeing them on Friday evening at my local drinking hole i will give them some stick!
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« Reply #138 on: September 18, 2019, 16:02:54 pm »

Law 12: Unsporting Behaviour: Commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence.
Having looked at it from the officials' angle, which is where the TV camera was from, it 'could' have been interpreted as a red card offence (serious foul play).
It may have been the Assistant who advised the Referee 'only' to caution.

Since having moved to the 'dark side' and looking at incidents from a different set of eyes to when I played, I share the frustrations of any normal fan, however I now understand why and how those decisions are determined in accordance with the the Laws and the guidance for their interpretation.
That is why, contrary to the majority of opinions on here, I thought that the officials led by Mr Breakspear, had a good game last night.
Ok thanks, understood.
So in this case, it's a subjective interpretation as to what is deemed unsporting or reckless.
I thought it was either that he momentarliy had both feet off the ground or that it was for an overly aggressive challenge.
The first I could accept, but I didnt personally think it was an overly aggressive tackle, just a well timed one that needed to be (else he would have been in trouble).
How the game has changed.
 
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« Reply #139 on: September 18, 2019, 16:10:39 pm »

Bearing in mind all we did was hook the ball forward at every given opportunity , it was pretty obvious a target man needed to come on . Lines , Macwilliams and Hoskins hardly touched the ball other than when tracking back .
Football isn’t just about going forward and defensively it was excellent but jeez ....

Obvious or not he deserves credit for yesterday’s adaptability after a poor first half showing.
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