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« on: October 14, 2019, 12:27:17 pm »

I find myself very much on the fence with regards to Curle. I don't think he will take us down but i don't think he will get us in the playoffs either. So my head says take the cheaper route, don't let him spend any more money and see out his contract with a view to replacing him come the summer. But i am also very aware of the building momentum to change him now.

But the problem i have is that there isn't in my mind an obvious appointment to replace him. Am i wrong? Who would you choose?!
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2019, 13:00:13 pm »

John Coleman - Somehow got Accrington out of this league as champions! Might be a good time to get him as Accrington are struggling this season. I like what Jon Brady has done with the youth team and wouldn't be against him.

Its actually a difficult question there isn't a load of names coming to my mind...
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2019, 14:08:05 pm »

John Coleman - Somehow got Accrington out of this league as champions! Might be a good time to get him as Accrington are struggling this season. I like what Jon Brady has done with the youth team and wouldn't be against him.

Its actually a difficult question there isn't a load of names coming to my mind...

I agree, there isn't an obvious choice. John Coleman i think would be an unrealistic option even though stanley are struggling. Its the age old debate we've had each time we've kicked out a manager and each time under KT we have gone for an "experienced" pair of hands (not including Rob Page, who in my mind was a punt on someone who might be on an upward trajectory)

Personally, i would love Gary Rowett, before you all jump on me i know he is unrealistic but apart from Stoke, which as its now apparent are not just a manager away from success again, he did great things at the other clubs (burton, birmingham etc.) and it was basically his team which Hasselbaink inherited and left to go to QPR before he got found out.
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2019, 14:20:53 pm »

I agree, there isn't an obvious choice. John Coleman i think would be an unrealistic option even though stanley are struggling. Its the age old debate we've had each time we've kicked out a manager and each time under KT we have gone for an "experienced" pair of hands (not including Rob Page, who in my mind was a punt on someone who might be on an upward trajectory)

Personally, i would love Gary Rowett, before you all jump on me i know he is unrealistic but apart from Stoke, which as its now apparent are not just a manager away from success again, he did great things at the other clubs (burton, birmingham etc.) and it was basically his team which Hasselbaink inherited and left to go to QPR before he got found out.


Rowett would be fantastic, even at Stoke his record was decent and it looked like he had turned them around. As you say though, an unrealistic option.



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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2019, 15:09:28 pm »

I wouldn't replace Curle yet. He's only had 13 league games this season and though the results have not been as good as we would have hoped he needs to have the opportunity to get the performances from HIS team that get us back on an even keel by January (at least as many wins as defeats) and a clear plan of what he needs to do in January to kick on towards the playoffs/promotion. Thomas needs to back him if he gets us to January as hoped here.

The team needs to show they are behind the manager.

A good Cup run will help.

A significant reaction from last Saturday's humiliation would be an indication that optimism isn't entirely misplaced.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2019, 17:45:56 pm »

I think its wrong to believe KT is happy to plod along with Curle . KT is ruthless and will have no hesitation in sacking him .
To say KC hasnít had enough games to settle things this season is missing the point . We are going backwards and there is no game plan . Exactly the same happened last season and he blamed the players.
To expect the likes of Rowett to come here is pure fantasy. He wonít .
I am clear on this one . Get Jon Brady in and let him show how modern day coaching and fresh ideas can galvanise a team . I would suggest that many of the players KC has brought in wouldnít be to his liking, but the youngsters would truly develop and come though at least .
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2019, 17:53:03 pm »

All this talk of Brady is well and good but Iím sure the last time the post was vacant people were saying he was happy to stay as youth coach? Wouldnít it be better if we got a DoF with Brady taking on a bigger say along side?
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2019, 18:07:17 pm »

Iíd go after Ian Evatt at Barrow. Got them overachieving on a very small budget, and they play excellent football. Also based in the midlands so I think heíd jump at the chance.
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2019, 18:10:00 pm »

Mark Cooper.
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2019, 18:12:38 pm »

Bayo as player manager but only once if and when he's done his badges. KC can keep us ticking over until then and maybe eventually be moved "upstairs" as and when.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2019, 18:59:02 pm »

I wouldn't replace Curle yet. He's only had 13 league games this season and though the results have not been as good as we would have hoped he needs to have the opportunity to get the performances from HIS team that get us back on an even keel by January (at least as many wins as defeats) and a clear plan of what he needs to do in January to kick on towards the playoffs/promotion. Thomas needs to back him if he gets us to January as hoped here.

The team needs to show they are behind the manager.

A good Cup run will help.

A significant reaction from last Saturday's humiliation would be an indication that optimism isn't entirely misplaced.

I wouldn't replace Curle yet either. He should be given the season, or the bulk of it at least. He certainly should be given enough time that he can put his best team out, something he has hardly been able to do yet because of injuries.

What would be the point in letting him rebuild the squad and then sacking him after just 13 matches? It would be a crazy decision IMO. Give him until spring.

The league is very tight and a couple of good results will see us shoot up the table.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2019, 19:00:14 pm »

Arsene and/or Sven - both kicking their heels, vastly wealthy and surely able to buy the club, keen for new challenges etc. Just build the East Stand properly first (and ask BEDS to act as Consultant).
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 19:24:28 pm »

I think its wrong to believe KT is happy to plod along with Curle . KT is ruthless and will have no hesitation in sacking him .
To say KC hasnít had enough games to settle things this season is missing the point . We are going backwards and there is no game plan . Exactly the same happened last season and he blamed the players.
To expect the likes of Rowett to come here is pure fantasy. He wonít .
I am clear on this one . Get Jon Brady in and let him show how modern day coaching and fresh ideas can galvanise a team . I would suggest that many of the players KC has brought in wouldnít be to his liking, but the youngsters would truly develop and come though at least .


You say we are 'going backwards', but that is only your opinion. The last few results have been a disappointment, but so were the first few matches of the season. Were we 'going backwards' then? We soon went on to pick up some good results and put in a few decent performances as well.

You want to sack KC after a mere 13 matches, following a summer where he has been allowed to rebuild the squad - do you see how knee-jerk that is?

You say the youngsters would develop and come through, but are they yet good enough to compete at this level? In the continued absence of Watson I'd like to see Pollock given a start and I think J.Williams deserves a place in the 18 when he returns from his loan spell. I'd also like to see one of the strikers given a chance in place of Smith, who I think has looked poor, so I don't entirely disagree with the sentiment.

However I still think when all are fit we are able to put out a decent side for this level and I can't see how any of the youth players will currently do more than warming the bench when we are at full strength. Harriman, Wharton, Goode, Turnbull, McCormack, Watson, A.Williams and Adams would all be nailed on starters for me. That leaves just 2 outfield positions for the rest. Would you drop any of those I've just listed for any of the youth?
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 19:28:37 pm »

I wouldn't replace Curle yet either. He should be given the season, or the bulk of it at least. He certainly should be given enough time that he can put his best team out, something he has hardly been able to do yet because of injuries.

What would be the point in letting him rebuild the squad and then sacking him after just 13 matches? It would be a crazy decision IMO. Give him until spring.

The league is very tight and a couple of good results will see us shoot up the table.

Plenty of teams have already changed managers this season.....12 to be exact. If its not working, its not working.

I don't subscribe to the theory that he should just get the bulk of the season...because I just don't see any progress. I'd argue that the standard of football and entertainment is less this season than last season. Giving him till spring or whenever, and certainly thinking that KT will give further backing in January is just pure folly.

As for injuries....come on, every team has them. If we have been unlucky with injuries then how much of that is down to the type of player we brought in or the types of training and fitness work we do....again, that points to Curle.
McCormack (who looked quality on Saturday I will add) for example only featured in 19 league games last season, why expect anything different with us another year down the line?

We can hardly cry about injuries when we are bringing that type of player in. What next, cry about bookings and suspensions too, because some of the players are undisciplined, timewasters....again, that all comes back to.....

Yes, there have been 13 league games this season, but add that to the last nine games of last season and we have gained 6 wins in 22, three at home and three away.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2019, 19:49:08 pm »

Kevin Wilkin please. If Curle was to be sacked, it would be in a better position than Austin left us, which is why I think we can afford the risk of a non league manager.
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2019, 19:59:33 pm »

Kevin Wilkin please. If Curle was to be sacked, it would be in a better position than Austin left us, which is why I think we can afford the risk of a non league manager.

Not a bad shout......no idea what sort of contract he's on at Brackley....i'm assuming he's full time at least?

Won 43.4% of his 348 games at Nuneaton, won 37.7% of his 61 games with Wrexham, and has won 100 of 209 with Brackley (47.85%)

Just as a comparison to Curle.....

With Mansfield 37.5%, 30,7% with Chester, 38.2% with Carlisle and 34.5% with us.
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2019, 20:00:21 pm »

You say we are 'going backwards', but that is only your opinion. The last few results have been a disappointment, but so were the first few matches of the season. Were we 'going backwards' then? We soon went on to pick up some good results and put in a few decent performances as well.

You want to sack KC after a mere 13 matches, following a summer where he has been allowed to rebuild the squad - do you see how knee-jerk that is?

You say the youngsters would develop and come through, but are they yet good enough to compete at this level? In the continued absence of Watson I'd like to see Pollock given a start and I think J.Williams deserves a place in the 18 when he returns from his loan spell. I'd also like to see one of the strikers given a chance in place of Smith, who I think has looked poor, so I don't entirely disagree with the sentiment.

However I still think when all are fit we are able to put out a decent side for this level and I can't see how any of the youth players will currently do more than warming the bench when we are at full strength. Harriman, Wharton, Goode, Turnbull, McCormack, Watson, A.Williams and Adams would all be nailed on starters for me. That leaves just 2 outfield positions for the rest. Would you drop any of those I've just listed for any of the youth?
Of course I state my opinion .... itís what people do on message boards !!
We are going backwards because the consistency of results are no better than they have been since Austin left , the home form has hardly improved , the quality of play is worst than its ever been and there are now no youngsters playing at all.
I do not see where your optimism lies for finishing anywhere near the play off zone or even in the top half .
Yes we have had injuries but Curle has signed ageing injury prone players on not insignificant wages .
As for 13 games - we didnít progress throughout last season either and so it makes it a calendar year in my book that we have gone nowhere
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2019, 20:04:37 pm »

Oh come on......after 13 games last year we were 19th, this year after 13 games we are 18th......

This time last season (under Austin and Curle) we'd lost 5 of our first 13, this season (under Curle alone) we have lost 6.

That's progress in anyone's book isn't it?  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2019, 23:23:55 pm »

Oh come on......after 13 games last year we were 19th, this year after 13 games we are 18th......

This time last season (under Austin and Curle) we'd lost 5 of our first 13, this season (under Curle alone) we have lost 6.

That's progress in anyone's book isn't it?  Grin

That's frightening!!
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2019, 01:11:51 am »

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