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Who would you replace Curle with?

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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2019, 18:36:54 pm »

I'd heard that the Macc players and fans weren't dis-chuffed when he left.

I suspect he worked them quite hard!  Grin

Either way, from where they were when he took over, I thought he did an amazing job keeping them up. The problem though with such a character (you could cite loads of examples of big name players taking their first job like Lampard at Derby) is that a club like ours cant really win. They either do well for a short period and leave, or do crap and you have to pay them off!

The last two times we've gone up, the wheels have fallen off due to the manager leaving and we then lose all momentum. When you look at clubs that have carried on doing well when managers have left (Burton, Luton being two good examples), they've had a structure in place where the manager simply follows the templates as I call them when he joins. Id be in favour of a director of football joining as a long term gig (someone 'like' Stuart Gray) who decides the way we play from top to bottom, and it becomes less important who we appoint as manager because they'd be agreeing a way to do the job before taking it. That approach worked wonders at Swansea as they worked their way through the leagues despite several managers leaving.

Idealistic maybe, but we've never tried it before so why not?!
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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2019, 20:18:56 pm »

Genuine question, whatís the consensus on here as to what makes a great candidate. A number of our previous managers have enjoyed success in the past? So what is the criteria, because what I am seeing on this thread is mainly subjective opinion which is akin to yet another roll of the dice? (With someone elseís money obviously).
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« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2019, 05:30:27 am »

The person does NOT have to had an association with the club previously.

Personally I would prefer somebody who has had success in the non league, especially if at two clubs (Wilder and Carr).It would show the ability to build winning teams.
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« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2019, 11:12:39 am »

Genuine question, whatís the consensus on here as to what makes a great candidate. A number of our previous managers have enjoyed success in the past? So what is the criteria, because what I am seeing on this thread is mainly subjective opinion which is akin to yet another roll of the dice? (With someone elseís money obviously).

I think its difficult as the things you need from a candidate are ones that we as fans aren't necessarily going to see. Its the things they do behind the scenes and just as importantly the team they have around them and what they do behind the scenes.

What made Wilder and Knill such a success was Wilder's man management and ability to turn a group of players into a team. But he wouldn't have been as successful as he has without Knill being alongside him working on the coaching and creating those memorable free kicks.

The only things we can go on are their win rates, their results in comparison to their expectations and personal opinion.

One that does seem an obvious choice is Pete Wild at Halifax. They are currently top of the table, hes been there since the summer and has had 2 caretaker spells at oldham which he had high win rates at.
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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2019, 13:04:59 pm »

I think its difficult as the things you need from a candidate are ones that we as fans aren't necessarily going to see. Its the things they do behind the scenes and just as importantly the team they have around them and what they do behind the scenes.

What made Wilder and Knill such a success was Wilder's man management and ability to turn a group of players into a team. But he wouldn't have been as successful as he has without Knill being alongside him working on the coaching and creating those memorable free kicks.

The only things we can go on are their win rates, their results in comparison to their expectations and personal opinion.

One that does seem an obvious choice is Pete Wild at Halifax. They are currently top of the table, hes been there since the summer and has had 2 caretaker spells at oldham which he had high win rates at.

Certainly says the right things....very refreshing to hear!

https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/football/fc-halifax-town-how-pete-wild-has-guided-the-shaymen-to-the-top-of-the-national-league-1-9977040
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« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2019, 15:09:47 pm »

Despite the headline, rather positive about Curle here;

Mansfield and Ashfield Chad: Former Mansfield Town star Liam Lawrence lifts the lid on rows with Keith Curle and his famous play-off final penalty miss.
https://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/former-mansfield-town-star-liam-lawrence-lifts-the-lid-on-rows-with-keith-curle-and-his-famous-play-off-final-penalty-miss-1-10053403
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« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2019, 16:28:13 pm »

A sack of spuds.
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« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2019, 16:49:30 pm »

A sack of spuds.
I would have thought spud alone, it will be very costly to bring in the whole backroom staff
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« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2019, 17:41:38 pm »

Despite the headline, rather positive about Curle here;

Mansfield and Ashfield Chad: Former Mansfield Town star Liam Lawrence lifts the lid on rows with Keith Curle and his famous play-off final penalty miss.
https://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/former-mansfield-town-star-liam-lawrence-lifts-the-lid-on-rows-with-keith-curle-and-his-famous-play-off-final-penalty-miss-1-10053403
Liam Lawrence was an extremely good player at our level and I would suggest thatís why Curle did so well that season and hasnít repeated it since !
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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2019, 08:19:41 am »

steve morrison??

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« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2019, 08:21:11 am »

steve morrison??



Brady replaces Curle and Morison takes over the U18ís.....job done!
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« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2019, 21:26:48 pm »

Bayo as player manager but only once if and when he's done his badges. KC can keep us ticking over until then and maybe eventually be moved "upstairs" as and when.

Are you on fcking drugs?
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« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2019, 22:10:10 pm »

I think its difficult as the things you need from a candidate are ones that we as fans aren't necessarily going to see. Its the things they do behind the scenes and just as importantly the team they have around them and what they do behind the scenes.

What made Wilder and Knill such a success was Wilder's man management and ability to turn a group of players into a team. But he wouldn't have been as successful as he has without Knill being alongside him working on the coaching and creating those memorable free kicks.

The only things we can go on are their win rates, their results in comparison to their expectations and personal opinion.

One that does seem an obvious choice is Pete Wild at Halifax. They are currently top of the table, hes been there since the summer and has had 2 caretaker spells at oldham which he had high win rates at.
Said it before, on top of win ratio the candidate needs to have had success off the back of a squad rebuild and no justified failures. Another crucial factor should be a promotion of a playing style results in attractive football. I understand that itís a results driven business. However, you lose the supporters too quickly and the atmosphere around the club becomes toxic at the speed of a BMW when results donít go your way.
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« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2019, 22:16:15 pm »

Said it before, on top of win ratio the candidate needs to have had success off the back of a squad rebuild and no justified failures. Another crucial factor should be a promotion of a playing style results in attractive football. I understand that itís a results driven business. However, you lose the supporters too quickly and the atmosphere around the club becomes toxic at the speed of a Porsche when results donít go your way.

'Justified Failure'  - is that a thing?
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« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2019, 22:26:09 pm »

Said it before, on top of win ratio the candidate needs to have had success off the back of a squad rebuild and no justified failures. Another crucial factor should be a promotion of a playing style results in attractive football. I understand that itís a results driven business. However, you lose the supporters too quickly and the atmosphere around the club becomes toxic at the speed of a Porsche when results donít go your way.

Why not a BMW?
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« Reply #55 on: October 18, 2019, 22:27:24 pm »

'Justified Failure'  - is that a thing?
I reckon so, sometimes decent managers doing well will get the push because someone takes over the club and brings there own bloke in for example?
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« Reply #56 on: October 18, 2019, 22:28:57 pm »

Why not a BMW?
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Said it before, on top of win ratio the candidate needs to have had success off the back of a squad rebuild and no justified failures. Another crucial factor should be a promotion of a playing style results in attractive football. I understand that itís a results driven business. However, you lose the supporters too quickly and the atmosphere around the club becomes toxic at the speed of a BMW when results donít go your way.
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« Reply #57 on: October 19, 2019, 07:01:01 am »

I havenít seen it mentioned anywhere on here that KC now sees this as being a building season - I donít recall anyone saying this previously and Iím pretty sure that KT and KC are on record as saying that playoffs/a promotion campaign were a minimum. Strikes me that KC is getting increasingly desperate, and it has to be said that if he does see it as a building season then building for what - if we miss out on the playoffs (which look a million miles away) KC wonít have his contract extended in any case and wonít be here.
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« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2019, 10:09:08 am »

I havenít seen it mentioned anywhere on here that KC now sees this as being a building season - I donít recall anyone saying this previously and Iím pretty sure that KT and KC are on record as saying that playoffs/a promotion campaign were a minimum. Strikes me that KC is getting increasingly desperate, and it has to be said that if he does see it as a building season then building for what - if we miss out on the playoffs (which look a million miles away) KC wonít have his contract extended in any case and wonít be here.
Building a case for the defence apparently?
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« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2019, 11:23:55 am »

I like the look of many of the players brought in over the summer. At times this season we have looked very good against strong opposition (Newport and Plymouth). I think overall the squad is stronger than last season. Curle's last season at Carlisle (17/18) saw them finish 10th, so he has managed a top half finish recently. So far in his tenure with us we have won 69 points in 49 games. Just a slight improvement in overall form will likely see us finish in the top half.

What youngsters would you like to see starting above McCormack, Watson, Wharton, Goode, Turnbull, Harriman, Williams and Adams?

Who are these ageing, injury prone players? Let me guess. Ageing: McCormack, Lines, Adams. Injury Prone: McCormack. That's it, right? It's also arguable whether McCormack is 'injury-prone' or not, as he was fit for most of last season and played a chunk of it in what was the league above. Many Luton fans even seemed to be disappointed he was let go as they felt he could still do a job for them in the Championship!

We have gone nowhere - I didn't realise the season ended in October!
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Well debated and realistic post.
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