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« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2019, 10:40:46 am »

I must say I think Lines is struggling as I think Adams is. Personally I would like to see them both dropped from the starting line up for the next couple of games and bring in Pollock and Anderson and lets see if performances improve.

Agreed. Adams has been largely disappointing so far.
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« Reply #101 on: October 21, 2019, 10:43:25 am »

Just on Lines, said it before and I'll say it again, he is well over the hill. How he is keeping his place in the team I do not know. Had we signed him a few years ago he'd have been a great addition. Sadly it looks as though we've caught him on a big decline.

Many have mentioned the lack of attacking threat. This is partly due to Curle's approach but it is also down to the fact that our attacking players simply aren't good enough (which is also his fault to some extent). We are hoping for players who have previously been largely ineffective to miraculously come good. Whilst I accept that this can happen, it rarely does. The first name on the team sheet is Sam Hoskins. Remember, this is a player who was largely used as a substitute in our title winning season. To me he hasn't progressed much since but the fact he starts every game says something about how much attacking quality we lack. In my mind he will always be a 1 good game for every 5 poor games type of player. Warbuton has never played close to this level and at 27 pushing 28 years old can I see him developing into a key player for us? Unfortunately not. I like what Vadaine Oliver brings to the team but he has never been a goalscorer so in signing him I'm not sure what else KC was expecting. In fairness to Waters he had a decent couple of seasons at Cheltenham before he joined us but I can't ever see him being a 15-20 striker. He also looks slightly overweight. I will omit Willo from the list because he has had some good seasons at a good level. That leaves Kaja, an unknown quantity who is yet to do anything of note in his short careers thus far. And finally Harry Smith, who has done very little in his career so far (although in fairness I was pleased when we signed him, he just hasn't once put in the type of performance he put in against us for Macc last year. Typical.)

Ultimately, you can't expect mid-lower table quality players to get you promoted or even in the playoffs. You can get the odd lucky season where it happens but generally the table at the end of season will expose the lack of quality you have. Yes, we have better quality at the other end of the pitch but we won't score too many this year simply because the players we are relying on are not good enough to do it.
I think Curle thought the likes of Smith and Oliver would benefit from the crosses of Adams and miraculously score more goals than they ever have done .
Unfortunately , Adams has not been so effective and the big strikers haven’t got a goal instinct after all . Plus , we largely play a very basic attacking game which is too predictable to cancel out . On top of that , Hoskins and Warburton are not good enough to cause real issues playing in the hole and also have little goal instinct .
Smith and Warburton are big disappointments it has to be said .
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« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2019, 11:02:05 am »

Curle's insistence on playing Adams on the wrong side of midfield doesn't help in my view. The guy is an assist machine if you let him cross it on his right peg. Why he's playing left midfield is beyond me.
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« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2019, 11:25:17 am »

Might explain why so many of his crosses are overhit.
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« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2019, 13:26:50 pm »

Might explain why so many of his crosses are overhit.

 Grin That will take some explaining
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« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2019, 13:27:43 pm »

Curle's insistence on playing Adams on the wrong side of midfield doesn't help in my view. The guy is an assist machine if you let him cross it on his right peg. Why he's playing left midfield is beyond me.

Do you not remember 2015/16 when he probably got 15 assists from Left Midfield? All very similar to his assist for Smith at Stevenage.
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« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2019, 13:41:37 pm »

Adams never seems to look up when he puts a cross in - just hits an area where invariably a forward isn’t.
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« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2019, 13:49:16 pm »

Do you not remember 2015/16 when he probably got 15 assists from Left Midfield? All very similar to his assist for Smith at Stevenage.

No. He played on the right of the 3 behind Richards.
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« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2019, 13:52:24 pm »

Adams never seems to look up when he puts a cross in - just hits an area where invariably a forward isn’t.

One might argue that he is putting the ball in the same area he's always done and therefore it's up to the strikers to learn from that and make the run to suit?

Let's not forget how many assists Adams has been responsible for over the last few years. He won't fall off the cliff in terms of performance and ability over just a few months.
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« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2019, 13:58:22 pm »

No. He played on the right of the 3 behind Richards.

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« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2019, 14:36:11 pm »

The opposition know we only have Adams to provide assists because Hoskins does not give a consistant service. We need an option on both sides of the team so I believe the time is right to play the pacey left footer Morgan Roberts to give balance. He has had 2 MOM's in 3 games for R & Direones!

and I would start Pollock alongside McCormack, as he has impressed me with his touch and vision everytime I have seen him.

........both will improve with games something I do not believe Lines will.
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« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2019, 17:22:35 pm »

Just on Lines, said it before and I'll say it again, he is well over the hill. How he is keeping his place in the team I do not know. Had we signed him a few years ago he'd have been a great addition. Sadly it looks as though we've caught him on a big decline.

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Ultimately, you can't expect mid-lower table quality players to get you promoted or even in the playoffs. You can get the odd lucky season where it happens but generally the table at the end of season will expose the lack of quality you have. Yes, we have better quality at the other end of the pitch but we won't score too many this year simply because the players we are relying on are not good enough to do it.

I agree with some of that, however.....

We've still scored 16 goals this season, which isn't great, but not drastically different to most of the other teams. Newport are third and have scored 14, FGR are 6th and have scored 16. Even Exeter, who were top until the last couple of matches, have only scored 2 more goals than us.

I hope we can score more (and I think we will) but I'm not particularly concerned about goals from us. It is our lack of consistency in producing overall good performances that we need to improve on. Macclesfield and Orient at home were such poor showings we could have had Aguero up front and it would have made little difference.
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« Reply #112 on: October 22, 2019, 07:19:57 am »

Thoughts on the same from a Salford perspective.

We was way below par compared to what we can offer, a frustrating day at the office, the only real threat from us if I can call it that was down our left hand side.

At first I thought it was a stone wall penalty from my view in the ground, seen it back a few times and im still undecided, however, if you going to make contact with a player or stick a leg out in the box, your giving the referee a decision to make when your player wasn't really going anywhere with the ball.

our cross across your box when Rooney missed a tap in, he should he sliding in to make contact with that chance, but that kind of sums up his season so far for Salford in the EFL, Jervis and Touray had their moments for us but apart from that, it was a poor showing from both sides, however Northampton deserved the win overall I would say, with a good freekick which led to the 2nd goal.

it really annoys me when our gaffer was whinging about the referee decisions after the game, he needed to look at his team selection as he got that wrong IMO.

however we move on to Mansfield tonight, good luck to Northampton for the rest of the season except for when we welcome you to Moor Lane.

All the best.
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« Reply #113 on: October 22, 2019, 08:35:18 am »

Thoughts on the same from a Salford perspective.

We was way below par compared to what we can offer, a frustrating day at the office, the only real threat from us if I can call it that was down our left hand side.

At first I thought it was a stone wall penalty from my view in the ground, seen it back a few times and im still undecided, however, if you going to make contact with a player or stick a leg out in the box, your giving the referee a decision to make when your player wasn't really going anywhere with the ball.

our cross across your box when Rooney missed a tap in, he should he sliding in to make contact with that chance, but that kind of sums up his season so far for Salford in the EFL, Jervis and Touray had their moments for us but apart from that, it was a poor showing from both sides, however Northampton deserved the win overall I would say, with a good freekick which led to the 2nd goal.

it really annoys me when our gaffer was whinging about the referee decisions after the game, he needed to look at his team selection as he got that wrong IMO.

however we move on to Mansfield tonight, good luck to Northampton for the rest of the season except for when we welcome you to Moor Lane.

All the best.


Thanks Salford, that's a fair synopsis of the game IMO.

Good luck for the rest of the season and enjoy your football. Wink
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« Reply #114 on: October 22, 2019, 08:54:05 am »


Thanks Salford, that's a fair synopsis of the game IMO.

Good luck for the rest of the season and enjoy your football. Wink

I thought it was a penalty too and Salford's comments really fly in the face of some comments on here. Good of Salford to comment in the way he did.
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« Reply #115 on: October 22, 2019, 09:11:12 am »

Just on Lines, said it before and I'll say it again, he is well over the hill. How he is keeping his place in the team I do not know. Had we signed him a few years ago he'd have been a great addition. Sadly it looks as though we've caught him on a big decline.


Strange that you should say that. McCormack is nearly 2 years older  Shocked
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« Reply #116 on: October 22, 2019, 09:33:05 am »


Strange that you should say that. McCormack is nearly 2 years older  Shocked

And the point is?...... Or are you just making an observation?
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« Reply #117 on: October 22, 2019, 09:38:35 am »

I agree with some of that, however.....

We've still scored 16 goals this season, which isn't great, but not drastically different to most of the other teams. Newport are third and have scored 14, FGR are 6th and have scored 16. Even Exeter, who were top until the last couple of matches, have only scored 2 more goals than us.

I hope we can score more (and I think we will) but I'm not particularly concerned about goals from us. It is our lack of consistency in producing overall good performances that we need to improve on. Macclesfield and Orient at home were such poor showings we could have had Aguero up front and it would have made little difference.

That's a fair point. However I think its more than just the goals though. It's having an attacking threat in general. Teams play differently against you when you show them an proper attacking threat.
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« Reply #118 on: October 22, 2019, 10:11:27 am »

And the point is?...... Or are you just making an observation?

More of an observation. A lot of people are saying keeping McCormack fit will be the key to our season and I don't disagree, McCormack will be 36 in January. However, Lines as you say is in decline (I don't necessarily agree) he will be 34 at the end of November. In my opinion two quality midfield players that can, on their day dictate play. Also, players like McWilliams and Pollock are hopefully learning a lot from both of them and will help their progress.
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« Reply #119 on: October 22, 2019, 10:17:28 am »

More of an observation. A lot of people are saying keeping McCormack fit will be the key to our season and I don't disagree, McCormack will be 36 in January. However, Lines as you say is in decline (I don't necessarily agree) he will be 34 at the end of November. In my opinion two quality midfield players that can, on their day dictate play. Also, players like McWilliams and Pollock are hopefully learning a lot from both of them and will help their progress.

I hope they are not learning too much from Lines.
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