Oldham Away - 2 Nov 19

[guest2995]

The usual list of embarrassing contributors , ready to knock Cornell at the first opportunity .
It really is quite low level to watch the ball cross the line and see who the last person to blame is .
I hear no criticism of Oliver failing to defend from the front for the first goal and Goode’s subsequent poor header .
I hear nothing said about Hoskins failing to stop a cross for the second and abject defending from midfield before that.
No , let’s criticise Cornell who may or may not have been positioned correctly and saw a fluke loop over him .
I await the list that is usually published for all the goals Cornell could have stopped from our resident goalkeeping expert , all the way from his arm chair and internet highlights package .

[guest3063]

The usual list of embarrassing contributors , ready to knock Cornell at the first opportunity .
It really is quite low level to watch the ball cross the line and see who the last person to blame is .
I hear no criticism of Oliver failing to defend from the front for the first goal and Goode’s subsequent poor header .
I hear nothing said about Hoskins failing to stop a cross for the second and abject defending from midfield before that.
No , let’s criticise Cornell who may or may not have been positioned correctly and saw a fluke loop over him .
I await the list that is usually published for all the goals Cornell could have stopped from our resident goalkeeping expert , all the way from his arm chair and internet highlights package .

Don't blame Goode for the poor header, it was Turnbull. Other than that I agree with the other points you make and being an ex goalkeeper I know all about getting the blame. You forget Warburton who should of had a hat-trick in the first half and then all of this blame game would of been academic.

[guest2995]

Don't blame Goode for the poor header, it was Turnbull. Other than that I agree with the other points you make and being an ex goalkeeper I know all about getting the blame. You forget Warburton who should of had a hat-trick in the first half and then all of this blame game would of been academic.

I beg your pardon TP , my error on Goode .

[threeinabed]

curle pretty much blames oliver on the first goal, before turnbulls terrible header.

same for the 2nd - not close enough to the opposition at any point before the cross came in.................just a fluke.

i would rather we carried on going 2-0 up in games rather than 2-0 down - i think we will more than we throw away across the season

[guest2995]

curle pretty much blames oliver on the first goal, before turnbulls terrible header.

same for the 2nd - not close enough to the opposition at any point before the cross came in.................just a fluke.

i would rather we carried on going 2-0 up in games rather than 2-0 down - i think we will more than we throw away across the season

Exactly right and echoes what I have said above.
To blame the keeper or the timing of the substitution is pretty weak really .

[Dan]

You're right about weak. Our midfield once McCormack was taken off was pathetically weak.

As you need it written, Oliver was dreadful in his cameo and certainly is also to blame for the second goal. As is Adam's who decided to try and take on the whole Oldham squad rather than a simple lay off which would have killed the game, directly before they scored. But Cornell was not blameless, that cannot be denied.

[ClarenceInDefence]

The usual list of embarrassing contributors , ready to knock Cornell at the first opportunity .
It really is quite low level to watch the ball cross the line and see who the last person to blame is .
I hear no criticism of Oliver failing to defend from the front for the first goal and Goode’s subsequent poor header .
I hear nothing said about Hoskins failing to stop a cross for the second and abject defending from midfield before that.
No , let’s criticise Cornell who may or may not have been positioned correctly and saw a fluke loop over him .
I await the list that is usually published for all the goals Cornell could have stopped from our resident goalkeeping expert , all the way from his arm chair and internet highlights package .

Straight to the insult, you never disappoint. I said the goal was a freak occurrence. I don't particularly 'blame' Cornell for the goal at all, I feel he made an error, albeit a small one but it was still an unfortunate goal to concede. I also never said no-one else was to 'blame' and don't disagree that Hoskins attempt to block the cross was poor as well.

I've scarcely made a comment about Cornell all season, then one minor negative comment and I  get called an 'embarrassing contributor', as usual a simply ridiculous response and almost fascistic in its attempt to police the board.

Plus, we play a very high tempo game which is extremely difficult to sustain for 90 minutes .
Teams know we fade and they are right , we do .

Complete bollocks. Talk about an 'embarrassing' contribution.

[ClarenceInDefence]

You're right about weak. Our midfield once McCormack was taken off was pathetically weak.

As you need it written, Oliver was dreadful in his cameo and certainly is also to blame for the second goal. As is Adam's who decided to try and take on the whole Oldham squad rather than a simple lay off which would have killed the game, directly before they scored. But Cornell was not blameless, that cannot be denied.

Careful there, the Cornell-cult present on here will have you marked!

[Manwork04]

Careful there, the Cornell-cult present on here will have you marked!

Hoskins cannot defend FACT

[guest2995]

Straight to the insult, you never disappoint. I said the goal was a freak occurrence. I don't particularly 'blame' Cornell for the goal at all, I feel he made an error, albeit a small one but it was still an unfortunate goal to concede. I also never said no-one else was to 'blame' and don't disagree that Hoskins attempt to block the cross was poor as well.

I've scarcely made a comment about Cornell all season, then one minor negative comment and I  get called an 'embarrassing contributor', as usual a simply ridiculous response and almost fascistic in its attempt to police the board.

Complete bollocks. Talk about an 'embarrassing' contribution.

If the cap fits ... no one mentioned you personally ...
Undoubtably you did say that Cornell was at fault for the goal though. No one else was mentioned in your assessment .
As for fading in games - I think your beloved statistics may suggest otherwise. Personally I make the judgement with my own eyes rather than a spreadsheet feed .

[guest3338]

Straight to the insult, you never disappoint. I said the goal was a freak occurrence. I don't particularly 'blame' Cornell for the goal at all, I feel he made an error, albeit a small one but it was still an unfortunate goal to concede. I also never said no-one else was to 'blame' and don't disagree that Hoskins attempt to block the cross was poor as well.

I've scarcely made a comment about Cornell all season, then one minor negative comment and I  get called an 'embarrassing contributor', as usual a simply ridiculous response and almost fascistic in its attempt to police the board.

Complete bollocks. Talk about an 'embarrassing' contribution.

Clarence, you havent and my question and explained where Dai should have been positioned for the second goal.

[everbrite]

Clarence, you havent and my question and explained where Dai should have been positioned for the second goal.

Not sure CJ if you will get the answer you hope for. The problem Clarence has that he has made too much of his in depth critical analysis of Cornell; it's his achilles heel now.

[defender]

Not sure CJ if you will get the answer you hope for. The problem Clarence has that he has made too much of his in depth critical analysis of Cornell; it's his achilles heel now.

i told em about oldham.

[Clarity]

i told em about oldham.

I hope we end up pipping um at Chippenham

[everbrite]

i told em about oldham.

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[ClarenceInDefence]

If the cap fits ... no one mentioned you personally ...
Undoubtably you did say that Cornell was at fault for the goal though. No one else was mentioned in your assessment .
As for fading in games - I think your beloved statistics may suggest otherwise. Personally I make the judgement with my own eyes rather than a spreadsheet feed .

No , let’s criticise Cornell who may or may not have been positioned correctly and saw a fluke loop over him .
I await the list that is usually published for all the goals Cornell could have stopped from our resident goalkeeping expert , all the way from his arm chair and internet highlights package .

No-one mentioned me personally? I'll break it down for you. From your post

The usual list of embarrassing contributors

Both the word 'list' and the plural contributors suggest more than one person. The only posters on this thread suggesting Cornell is at fault are Manwork and myself, hence you are obviously referring to Manwork and myself.

No , let’s criticise Cornell who may or may not have been positioned correctly

I'm the only person who specifically mentions Cornells' positioning. You also made your post shortly after I had made mine.

Hence you are obviously referring (at the very least in part) to me in your post.

As for fading in games - I think your beloved statistics may suggest otherwise. Personally I make the judgement with my own eyes rather than a spreadsheet feed .

Really? Like the made the judgement with your own eyes that the squad this season will fare worse than last seasons?

In all , I think the squad is no improvement on last season and we will finish lower in the table.

Still stand by that? 

[ClarenceInDefence]

Clarence, you havent and my question and explained where Dai should have been positioned for the second goal.

He's too far over towards his near post - he actually looks like he's standing slightly past it to me. It's a small error and regardless - as I said in a my original post - the goal was still a fluke, but if the ball had been crossed centrally he would have left an open net for an attacker to head/volley/strike the ball into.

Compare to his positioning for this goal (where he did nothing wrong):

Morecambe's equaliser:



Like the equaliser on Saturday, this was unfortunate. But was his positioning wrong here? I'd say no, unlike Saturday.

This was another somewhat unfortunate equaliser:



Judging by these goals, perhaps we've not been getting the rub of the green so far this season?

The point is virtually every player has been criticised on here this season, in many cases unjustly (IMO) yet its any negative comment about Cornell is jumped on. It's nothing short of bizarre to put it mildly.

[guest3338]

He's too far over towards his near post - he actually looks like he's standing slightly past it to me. It's a small error and regardless - as I said in a my original post - the goal was still a fluke, but if the ball had been crossed centrally he would have left an open net for an attacker to head/volley/strike the ball into.

Compare to his positioning for this goal (where he did nothing wrong):

Morecambe's equaliser:



Like the equaliser on Saturday, this was unfortunate. But was his positioning wrong here? I'd say no, unlike Saturday.

This was another somewhat unfortunate equaliser:



Judging by these goals, perhaps we've not been getting the rub of the green so far this season?

The point is virtually every player has been criticised on here this season, in many cases unjustly (IMO) yet its any negative comment about Cornell is jumped on. It's nothing short of bizarre to put it mildly.

Thanks for replying Clarence.

[Melbourne Cobbler]

I reckon Cornell should have been 150mm to his left?

[guest3338]

I reckon Cornell should have been 150mm to his left?

That'll be it Melbourne, a simple case of working the angles out, because as everyone knows every shot/cross is a static ball struck by a static player and there's never anything else happening on the field to influence the goalkeeper.
That's why we can be slide rule accurate about where Dai's size tweleves should be planted and because of that we can also accurately judge which goals are Dai's fault and therefore how good a keeper he is and how he compares to his peers.
Maths and science triumph again in sport.