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« Reply #120 on: February 09, 2020, 15:42:57 pm »

Very one dimensional today and the trouble with this type of percentage football is that sometimes the ball doesn't drop for you.

Sometimes yes, but the whole point of percentage football is that you're more likely to create more chances using it. It means that from time to tome you'll have days like yesterday, when you have 70% of the chances and lose the match, but while those games are the exception not the rule, then I'll take percentage football. Not the prettiest, but certainly more effective than our other attempted ways to get results in the last few years. Perhaps the best thing is neither to get too carried away when it works nor too critical when it doesn't. Didn't see today's game but the stats suggest is wasn't dissimilar in terms of chances to others that we've won comfortably.
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« Reply #121 on: February 09, 2020, 17:09:26 pm »

Sometimes yes, but the whole point of percentage football is that you're more likely to create more chances using it. It means that from time to tome you'll have days like yesterday, when you have 70% of the chances and lose the match, but while those games are the exception not the rule, then I'll take percentage football. Not the prettiest, but certainly more effective than our other attempted ways to get results in the last few years. Perhaps the best thing is neither to get too carried away when it works nor too critical when it doesn't. Didn't see today's game but the stats suggest is wasn't dissimilar in terms of chances to others that we've won comfortably.

You've pretty well explained what I was trying to say. I just thought we could have occasionally changed the angle or played whipped crosses in behind a defence that coped so well with our big high balls.
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« Reply #122 on: February 09, 2020, 18:18:44 pm »

KC has said a few times that Plan B is to more of Plan A.

When interviewed on BT Sport before the Derby game, KC was asked what Plan C is. He responded by saying he hasn't got to Plan C as of yet.

Northampton had enough chances to take the lead, but unfortunately Port Vale managed to take one of the few chances they created (poor goal all round from our pov).

Vale's centre backs relished the balls coming into the box - we have to give them some credit for that and the heroics of their keeper.

I along with quite a few on here felt that we should have tried something a little bit didn't rather than playing long balls to the target man but it was horrible conditions to play in.

Hopefully a win on Tuesday to keep the momentum. COYC!
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« Reply #123 on: February 09, 2020, 18:44:42 pm »

We deserved to beat them yes, but we didn't outplay them.

IMO we did. If you go 1-4 away then we have outplayed them. Witness their consolation 2nd goal; for them it was lost cause and it showed. Happened to us at Derby!
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« Reply #124 on: February 09, 2020, 19:41:08 pm »

To say we outplayed Burton might be a bit hyperbolic, but we were the definitely the better team over the 90 and fully deserved the win. The Derby game at home was pretty even, but if any side should have edged a victory it was us.

Agree except to say that by being "definitely the better team over the 90" must mean we outplayed them. I can't think of another criteria that would make us better. Prettier perhaps? Probably not.
Also agree about the Derby game and if we should have edged a victory we must have outplayed them too. Not by much, but enough to qualify as the better team on the day.
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« Reply #125 on: February 09, 2020, 20:02:08 pm »

Agree except to say that by being "definitely the better team over the 90" must mean we outplayed them. I can't think of another criteria that would make us better. Prettier perhaps? Probably not.
Also agree about the Derby game and if we should have edged a victory we must have outplayed them too. Not by much, but enough to qualify as the better team on the day.


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« Reply #126 on: February 09, 2020, 20:41:00 pm »

I'm a Leicester season ticket holder but due to our frustrating mid-season break decided to bring my son to Sixfields yesterday to get our football fix at a fairly local match.
First time I've been having not been able to make our meeting in League 1.

Thought you definitely should have won although Vale did have a good few chances themselves, especially Worrall who put one wide early on.

Your football was pretty one dimensional and seemed to lack a few ideas at times, I was getting frustrated watching it so can imagine you are.
 Have to admit knew very little about your squad other than our former player Nicky Adams.

Jones and Goode impressed me in defence and thought Adams himself had a decent game. The best player in my eyes was Marshall who seemed to be the only one capable of making things happen.

Overall enjoyed the day and half tempted to come along for the Swindon match.
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« Reply #127 on: February 09, 2020, 20:50:26 pm »

Forgot to mention. The referee was one of the worst I have ever seen. Totally clueless as though he had just been picked out of the stands.

The Premier League refs are atrocious but this one was another level.
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« Reply #128 on: February 09, 2020, 20:53:12 pm »

IMO we did. If you go 1-4 away then we have outplayed them. Witness their consolation 2nd goal; for them it was lost cause and it showed. Happened to us at Derby!

That's your problem, judging a performance by the result.
It's like many on here being satisfied by the performance when winning but not with the same performance when we have lost.
Derby outplayed and were in control throughout, we were not in control of the game at Burton. They kept the ball for long periods, had more chances but failed to convert them. That isn't outplaying a team.
But you obviously have a different interpretation of the term...
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« Reply #129 on: February 09, 2020, 21:36:46 pm »

Forgot to mention. The referee was one of the worst I have ever seen. Totally clueless as though he had just been picked out of the stands.

The Premier League refs are atrocious but this one was another level.

Welcome to the "Hotel End".

Great that you came to watch.  Such a shame you didn't see us convert some of our chances.  Goals make all the difference - regardless of the level of football.

It would be great if you came and joined us again, and helped us celebrate victory!
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« Reply #130 on: February 09, 2020, 21:38:15 pm »

That's your problem, judging a performance by the result.
It's like many on here being satisfied by the performance when winning but not with the same performance when we have lost.
Derby outplayed and were in control throughout, we were not in control of the game at Burton. They kept the ball for long periods, had more chances but failed to convert them. That isn't outplaying a team.
But you obviously have a different interpretation of the term...

....and history judges the winner by the win.....  not by how nicely they slaughtered the foe.
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« Reply #131 on: February 09, 2020, 23:57:34 pm »

....and history judges the winner by the win.....  not by how nicely they slaughtered the foe.

In a few words you said what I tried to say in a 100 words! IMO Deepcut may have let an in-depth analysis override a simple fact. Politicians do it all the time😇
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« Reply #132 on: February 10, 2020, 00:05:40 am »

Agreed...
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So do I
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« Reply #133 on: February 10, 2020, 01:25:36 am »

....and history judges the winner by the win.....  not by how nicely they slaughtered the foe.

In years to come we can historically boast about how we slaughtered Burton, but whilst still in the more recent memory we beat them by scoring more goals and progressed into the fourth round...history is always kinder to the victors.
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« Reply #134 on: February 10, 2020, 08:49:46 am »

Forgot to mention. The referee was one of the worst I have ever seen. Totally clueless as though he had just been picked out of the stands.

The Premier League refs are atrocious but this one was another level.

Interesting observation - yes he was bad but believe us when we say this was one of his better games!
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« Reply #135 on: February 10, 2020, 09:44:19 am »

....and history judges the winner by the win.....  not by how nicely they slaughtered the foe.
Battle of Britain, Battle of Watling Street, Battle of Troy etc? Just saying.
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« Reply #136 on: February 10, 2020, 11:27:31 am »

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/worrall-win-over-cobblers-was-vales-best-season-1396435

Is this how the rest of the league see us?
Are we sometimes too critical of our own or are we punching below our perceived weight?
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« Reply #137 on: February 10, 2020, 14:30:22 pm »

I know Marshall has been mentioned as a potential no 10 but I think to move him from his natural position would be foolish. He has played there for 141 minutes in the last 3 years, so to say brief is an understatement.

We have a number 10 in Warburton, but i think his step up to league 2 was the right time, just the wrong team with out style and his.

A frustrating day to say the least, tomorrows game even more important now!
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« Reply #138 on: February 10, 2020, 20:50:30 pm »

Id like to see Marshall stay in that position on the wing, with Warburton replacing the ineffective Hoskins, for all the current hype surrounding him , he has 2 assists In 31 starts, im sure youll all agree, a woeful return for a forward.
Saturday was dull, tomorrow will be cold, and dull. finishing a 12 hr shift at 7, so im not going to bother.
We may well be doing well this season, but I think only 2 games this season ive been excited by , Plymouth at home and Burton away.
Some of you may be happy with us getting 3 points every other week playing this dire style, im certainly not enjoying it and shant renew if Curle is here next year
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« Reply #139 on: February 10, 2020, 21:00:59 pm »

Id like to see Marshall stay in that position on the wing, with Warburton replacing the ineffective Hoskins, for all the current hype surrounding him , he has 2 assists In 31 starts, im sure youll all agree, a woeful return for a forward.
Saturday was dull, tomorrow will be cold, and dull. finishing a 12 hr shift at 7, so im not going to bother.
We may well be doing well this season, but I think only 2 games this season ive been excited by , Plymouth at home and Burton away.
Some of you may be happy with us getting 3 points every other week playing this dire style, im certainly not enjoying it and shant renew if Curle is here next year
So let’s get this straight - you want Hoskins replaced by Warburton on account that he has not been effective . .... the same Warburton that has disappointed every time he has come on as sub and has been the least effective signing of the season .... replacing Hoskins who creates and scores goals regularly ?
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