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« Reply #140 on: February 13, 2020, 00:08:13 am »

Probably add Salford to the list of those above us in the wages stakes......but then i'd be struggling to pick another team who i'd know would have a bigger budget.

Bradford, Plymouth, Swindon, Salford, Mansfield, Sc***horpe, Walsall? Even FGR are rumoured to have a high wage bill.

Truth is, nobody knows what their wage bills and budgets are unless the respective clubs publish them, though I'm happy to be corrected on that.
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« Reply #141 on: February 13, 2020, 06:47:56 am »

I think EVEN YOU could put a squad of players together, itís getting them to play thatís the skill.
We have employed MANY professional managers who could not put a good squad together.

Obviously I want to see a better quality of football but from Curle's perspective he is judged by results. The League table does not have a column showing a percentage for how pretty the football is, else Austin would still be employed!

With a reduced budget KC has done well with what he has but I hope in the near future more football evolves.
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« Reply #142 on: February 13, 2020, 07:44:12 am »

Bradford, Plymouth, Swindon, Salford, Mansfield, Sc***horpe, Walsall? Even FGR are rumoured to have a high wage bill.

Truth is, nobody knows what their wage bills and budgets are unless the respective clubs publish them, though I'm happy to be corrected on that.

year-end accounts?
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« Reply #143 on: February 13, 2020, 08:06:36 am »

year-end accounts?


Itís highly unlikely that any balance sheet is going to directly show money spent on wages.
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« Reply #144 on: February 13, 2020, 08:14:02 am »

year-end accounts?


End of the Financial Year (31 Mar) and probably published sometime prior to Christmas...so wouldn't reflect the current season yet.
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« Reply #145 on: February 13, 2020, 08:27:59 am »

We have the budget and the squad to enable promotion .
What we donít have is a manager that is prepared to play intelligent football . Itís prehistoric and thereís a reason no one adopts the Wimbledon philosophy any more - because itís easy to pick off and isnít scaleable.
Furthermore , we become more Neanderthal every game that passes .
Itís not acceptable to me quite honestly
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« Reply #146 on: February 13, 2020, 08:55:27 am »

Itís highly unlikely that any balance sheet is going to directly show money spent on wages.
Hereís one to make your eyes water, itís a full breakdown of our FA cup opponents Derby.
http://financialfootballnews.com/category/derby/
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« Reply #147 on: February 13, 2020, 09:28:12 am »

Hereís one to make your eyes water, itís a full breakdown of our FA cup opponents Derby.
http://financialfootballnews.com/category/derby/

Some interesting figures in there but shows we are literally in a different league by comparison.

Key figures included total revenue of £29.1m and total costs of £75.8m so hardly sustainable and only made possible by the sale of Pride Park and continued willingness of Morris to subsidise the club.

Wages alone soared to £46.8 (and this is before Ronney's signing), against gate receipts of £9.3m, broadcasting revenue of £8.3m and commercial revenue of £9.9m.

So what is our total revenue £2.5 to £3m max ?
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« Reply #148 on: February 13, 2020, 10:09:58 am »

We have the budget and the squad to enable promotion .
What we donít have is a manager that is prepared to play intelligent football . Itís prehistoric and thereís a reason no one adopts the Wimbledon philosophy any more - because itís easy to pick off and isnít scaleable.
Furthermore , we become more Neanderthal every game that passes .
Itís not acceptable to me quite honestly

Yet fans are generally happy. The FB post from the club about how far we've come in a year had a combined total of 301 likes and loves and the majority of posts are supportive. Large numbers of fans are travelling to away games to support the team, so from the Club's POV, more fans are happy than aren't.

Keith Curle's contract is up at the end of the season, I'd be very surprised if he isn't given another two years.
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« Reply #149 on: February 13, 2020, 10:10:47 am »

Hereís one to make your eyes water, itís a full breakdown of our FA cup opponents Derby.
http://financialfootballnews.com/category/derby/

Not as helpful as you may think because the wage bill is for the entire club (including all of the staff who work in the offices behind a desk). It doesn't tell you what the wage budget for players is.
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« Reply #150 on: February 13, 2020, 10:15:20 am »

Back in the summer, I thought we'd finish between 7th - 14th. I think we will still finish around those places.
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« Reply #151 on: February 13, 2020, 10:26:58 am »

Back in the summer, I thought we'd finish between 7th - 14th. I think we will still finish around those places.

And would that be a success? If so, based on what? Where we were a year ago? Considering the budget cut? That's about where a club like ours should be?

Everyone has different expectations, some fans are just happy that they still have a club to support, some see the playoffs as a job well done, some still remember the 5 year plan to be in the Championship!
Some accept that we are a yo-yo club, some expect a lot more.
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« Reply #152 on: February 13, 2020, 10:29:25 am »

Yet fans are generally happy. The FB post from the club about how far we've come in a year had a combined total of 301 likes and loves and the majority of posts are supportive. Large numbers of fans are travelling to away games to support the team, so from the Club's POV, more fans are happy than aren't.

Keith Curle's contract is up at the end of the season, I'd be very surprised if he isn't given another two years.
I wouldnít be surprised either . But it will result in another season when I donít buy a season ticket from me. Facebook likes mean nothing and I wasnít fooled or Impressed by that bit of spinning from the club yesterday ! Last season was a failure and so it was no barometer
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« Reply #153 on: February 13, 2020, 10:36:23 am »

I wouldnít be surprised either . But it will result in another season when I donít buy a season ticket from me. Facebook likes mean nothing and I wasnít fooled or Impressed by that bit of spinning from the club yesterday ! Last season was a failure and so it was no barometer

You should know how to spot spin, being that you're the king of it.
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« Reply #154 on: February 13, 2020, 10:37:10 am »

4 years ago today we won 4 0 away at Orient making that 7 wins in a row (3 more still to come).

That's the progress barometer I'd use.
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« Reply #155 on: February 13, 2020, 10:53:28 am »


Keith Curle's contract is up at the end of the season, I'd be very surprised if he isn't given another two years.
If he gets a new contract or not , I really can't understand why we would give him a 2 year contract, it's not as if anyone would come in for him even if we won the League. Calderwood and Wilder were "up & coming" managers when they were at NTFC, KC doesn't fit that mould. A 1 year rolling contract really should be the norm at our level, 2 and 3 year contracts handed out result in our level of debt
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« Reply #156 on: February 13, 2020, 11:08:41 am »

And would that be a success? If so, based on what? Where we were a year ago? Considering the budget cut? That's about where a club like ours should be?

Everyone has different expectations, some fans are just happy that they still have a club to support, some see the playoffs as a job well done, some still remember the 5 year plan to be in the Championship!
Some accept that we are a yo-yo club, some expect a lot more.

My expectation is for us to bounce between the third and fourth divisions, my hope is that we spend more time in the third than the fourth.
If I wanted to have a greater level of expectation, I would dedicate my time and funds to watching someone a bit closer to where I live.  
But I was chosen, like the majority on here, to support this football club for life.
It would be nice to have an occasional excursion into something higher but that is not my expectation.
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« Reply #157 on: February 13, 2020, 11:28:03 am »

Itís highly unlikely that any balance sheet is going to directly show money spent on wages.

no balance sheet would show that!?
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« Reply #158 on: February 13, 2020, 11:32:32 am »

Yet fans are generally happy. The FB post from the club about how far we've come in a year had a combined total of 301 likes and loves and the majority of posts are supportive. Large numbers of fans are travelling to away games to support the team, so from the Club's POV, more fans are happy than aren't.

Keith Curle's contract is up at the end of the season, I'd be very surprised if he isn't given another two years.

I once made a post on Facebook that received 60k likes. These days, I barely use the platform and yet I still have posts on my page showing 16k and 18k likes. All I'm saying is, 301 likes for a club the size of NTFC doesn't amount to much.
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« Reply #159 on: February 13, 2020, 11:41:40 am »

And would that be a success? If so, based on what? Where we were a year ago? Considering the budget cut? That's about where a club like ours should be?

Everyone has different expectations, some fans are just happy that they still have a club to support, some see the playoffs as a job well done, some still remember the 5 year plan to be in the Championship!
Some accept that we are a yo-yo club, some expect a lot more.

I didn't say it would be a success or I'd be happy  Huh? I just said that is what I predicted.

At the start of the season, a potential play off place was very much seen as being a real achievement.

As of 16 games to go, we were in a place where 2 points/game would've stood a strong chance of landing us a top 3 place. That is not expected to be achievable now, but we should have it in us to finish in the top 7.
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