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« Reply #100 on: February 25, 2020, 22:42:08 pm »

To reiterate, getting rid of Curle is about 10% of the decision. Who comes next is the real decision and dwarfs giving Curle the boot by a mile. Statistically the next bloke is most likely to be a disaster and will plunge us into a relegation battle? I confess it doesn’t mean you shy away from doing it. It just makes the Curle out mantra a bit pointless unless there is an obviously better option put up at the same time? Case in point and genuine question. Who would take any of our previous managers over Curle post Wilder? I recall they all received general approval at the time of their appointment, that didn’t last did it? I’m afraid the sensible, if possibly uninspiring decision is to stick with Curle?
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« Reply #101 on: February 25, 2020, 23:17:43 pm »

To reiterate, getting rid of Curle is about 10% of the decision. Who comes next is the real decision and dwarfs giving Curle the boot by a mile. Statistically the next bloke is most likely to be a disaster and will plunge us into a relegation battle? I confess it doesn’t mean you shy away from doing it. It just makes the Curle out mantra a bit pointless unless there is an obviously better option put up at the same time? Case in point and genuine question. Who would take any of our previous managers over Curle post Wilder? I recall they all received general approval at the time of their appointment, that didn’t last did it? I’m afraid the sensible, if possibly uninspiring decision is to stick with Curle?

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« Reply #102 on: February 25, 2020, 23:36:16 pm »

To reiterate, getting rid of Curle is about 10% of the decision. Who comes next is the real decision and dwarfs giving Curle the boot by a mile. Statistically the next bloke is most likely to be a disaster and will plunge us into a relegation battle? I confess it doesn’t mean you shy away from doing it. It just makes the Curle out mantra a bit pointless unless there is an obviously better option put up at the same time? Case in point and genuine question. Who would take any of our previous managers over Curle post Wilder? I recall they all received general approval at the time of their appointment, that didn’t last did it? I’m afraid the sensible, if possibly uninspiring decision is to stick with Curle?

Thank goodness for that, I can get off that fence now! Wink
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« Reply #103 on: February 26, 2020, 08:41:49 am »

This is my opinion, if we don't offer KC a new contract, we need to go for a "hungry" manager, someone who has a future, like our former loanee Ian Evatt up at Barrow. Curle is 57 years old, with all due respect, his best days are behind him, he's never going to do a "Wilder" and take a team to the Prem. Lets have someone who has something to prove !
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« Reply #104 on: February 26, 2020, 09:02:43 am »

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https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/chairman-thomas-says-cobblers-have-started-discussions-over-new-contract-curle-1890685
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« Reply #105 on: February 26, 2020, 10:32:28 am »

This is my opinion, if we don't offer KC a new contract, we need to go for a "hungry" manager, someone who has a future, like our former loanee Ian Evatt up at Barrow. Curle is 57 years old, with all due respect, his best days are behind him, he's never going to do a "Wilder" and take a team to the Prem. Lets have someone who has something to prove !

If we are still in League 2 we ought to be an ideal choice for a hungry manager - in the Top 5 for average gate this season + money spinning Cup run this season + some decent players = every opportunity for improving and delighting. League 1 would be a tougher prospect in comparison though perhaps not for someone really hungry with Board backing.
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« Reply #106 on: February 26, 2020, 10:39:26 am »

Look at all the other clubs near the top of our division, plenty of young inexperienced managers amongst them, mostly first managerial jobs, the likes of David Artell....himself a central defender like a Curle but a completely different idea of how to play football and manage accordingly.

You get an old experienced head in when you’re in trouble, someone to steady the ship, exactly what Curle was brought in for. He’s done the job he came to do, that’s all.
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« Reply #107 on: February 26, 2020, 10:43:29 am »

I've got splinters!
It could be argued that Curly has improved us and should be given the chance to carry on.
Or, He could be thanked for doing what he was asked to do, and wished all the best for his future elsewhere.

KT needs to be convinced KC has a plan for improving us not reward him for what he has already done. He needs to also define what he means by improving. Clearly KC has been a financial success - all that lovely dosh from the Cup Run.
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« Reply #108 on: February 26, 2020, 10:55:40 am »

KC has done a good job for the Club & KT ......the test is: Do the owners want to take the Cobblers to the next level or are they content to have made some money & be safe???

Are they likely to spend money :

On a better more expensive Manager

Improving the Squad

Completing the East Stand

Installing Safe Standing.....?
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« Reply #109 on: February 26, 2020, 11:05:24 am »

Curle being 57 means he was 29'ish when the Back Pass Rule was introduced (to discourage time-wasting and unduly defensive play after the 1990 World Cup was described as exceedingly dull, rife with back-passing and goalkeepers holding up the ball). All of his formative years would have been spent in a mindset that obsessed about seeing out a match. Being a few years older than Curle I remember even the most gifted sides of the pre Back pass rule era seeing out games by shifting the ball from one defender to another before returning it to the Goalkeeper and over and over again. I can't help believing that this mindset still infects his thinking. We keep defending leads rather than asserting our superiority and taking advantage.
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« Reply #110 on: February 26, 2020, 11:06:17 am »

Managers are judged on results so KC has achieved on that judgement BUT football is an entertainment industry and he has failed on that judgement. The crowds have not increased by floating fans attracted by exciting football.

Personally I would say thank you but appoint a manager who wants to impose a positive footballing system, utilising some of our promising younger local players to attract crowds!
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« Reply #111 on: February 26, 2020, 11:09:48 am »

Agree with Barton Cobbler (above). Curle did the job of keeping us in the Football League now that contract is expiring. I can't see how any supporter now wants more of his hoof-it-and-chase it stuff. Get a young up-and-coming manager with desire and zest and knowledge of up-and-coming players in the lower leagues. It is of course faintly possible that Curle's tactics will scrape us into the playoffs in which case let him continue and see if he gets us promoted then give him his chance to prove me wrong. If he then had what it took to progress I'd be happy for him. Unlikely! I go to games now out of loyalty and to still be part of a conmunity which I value. Our hoofball is dross.
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« Reply #112 on: February 26, 2020, 11:33:52 am »

Constantly changing managers gets you nowhere. KC can so far only be judged on this season as he so often said last season he was 'playing with someone elses jigsaw'. KT alluded to the fact that KC has done a good job of moving out a lot the players he inherited (many with the wrong attitude) and was mostly happy with his signings and loan signings.
When you bring in a new manager invariably he will not want about half of the current players and want to bring in his own signings. Many of the signings we made before this season started were given 2 year contracts so a new manager would have difficulty moving them on.
We are currently in the top 7 and were the only div.2 team to reach fa cup round 4. Regardless of us finishing in the play offs or not I am happy for KC to be given another year to implement further changes in the summer and see where next season takes us.
Yes I would prefer to see an improvement in the product on offer but several sides have come to us this season playing the ball around nicely and gone home with no points, such as Exeter, Plymouth and Crewe.
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« Reply #113 on: February 26, 2020, 11:40:47 am »

I am not convinced either way by Keith Curle, however, I have enjoyed going this season for the first time in 3 seasons, we are playing better and winning more games. Curle has done what the board asked of him in cutting the wage bill and moving the team up the league. I would give him another season and a change of direction if I was in charge, I would tell him I wanted more football from the team and go for promotion, surely it has to be better to keep a manager who knows the team and has been here a while, if he continues to play hoofball and doesn't follow whats asked then look to get rid of him then. For me I would give him a 1 season extension with aims for the season of more football, increase attendance and promotion. I think like most that we will not go down under Curle but I believe he has done enough this season to see if he can move forward with a team and win a promotion.
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« Reply #114 on: February 26, 2020, 12:38:27 pm »

Is it 15 seasons that Curle has been manager, reaching the playoffs once with no promotions?

There can't be too many worse records in the lower leagues?
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« Reply #115 on: February 26, 2020, 12:44:14 pm »

Is it really so difficult to get a competent manager who's first instinct is to press home an advantage rather than protect it?
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« Reply #116 on: February 26, 2020, 12:46:47 pm »

I think the cup run has probably bought himself another contract. His team have just generated hundreds of thousands of pounds for the owners.
In terms of the crowds, he has his work cut out to build those too much. It is a tough one because you can never be certain of how much is down to success/entertainment and how much is pure cost and apathy towards the club nowadays. Remember 1985 and the crazy queues down Abington Avenue to 97/98 with the 30-40k people, to the Bradford final and half the amount travelling. It's a lot more complex than the style of football, the world is a different place, even since the Bradford game. I have no idea what our actual potential is in the bottom two tiers and beyond that is pie in the sky.

Anyway, give him another year regardless. Flip it on its head, he's due a promotion!  Grin
The only thing certain is that we'll still be playing to a shell of an East Stand.
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« Reply #117 on: February 26, 2020, 13:02:03 pm »

Yes I would prefer to see an improvement in the product on offer but several sides have come to us this season playing the ball around nicely and gone home with no points, such as Exeter, Plymouth and Crewe.
But they are all above us in the League table  Undecided
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« Reply #118 on: February 26, 2020, 13:41:25 pm »

It's a totally wrong assumption that L2 is a league where good football can't be played, and won't prosper.
The facts are that all of the top 3 sides in this league currently pass the ball.
Bury and MK last year passed the ball.
Luton under Nathan Jones passed the ball, as do Accrington.
We did not play hoofball under CW or Calderwood.

Quite simply League 2 is not a a hoofball league.

The football Curle plays is largely boring and ugly. Yes we have won more games this season but I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of home games where I've left feeling entertained.
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« Reply #119 on: February 26, 2020, 18:38:53 pm »

Both facts are facts! Depends which side of the fence you sit on then!

I was just pointing out you seem to be using meaningless trivia to criticise the team.
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