Plymouth fan banned for 'trouble' at Northampton

[Coolcat]

Was at game but don't remember any trouble, though in article, reported that the incident involved a small number of individuals using homophobic language. Don't recall anything of that being reported at the time either!

Plymouth Live: Plymouth Argyle hooligan banned from football for five years.
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/plymouth-argyle-hooligan-banned-football-3913655

[corno_ntfc]

Was that the game there was a rather vague tannoy announcement (during the game) about reporting anything heard to a steward?

[Coolcat]

Was that the game there was a rather vague tannoy announcement (during the game) about reporting anything heard to a steward?

A few times this season I think. One time for alleged singing from a group of Salford fans for the home game, and did I imagine it but more recently... Cheltenham away?

[honcho]

I don't know what that Plymouth fan said or did or for that matter if he is a total troublemaker but the restrictions of the banning order are really harsh. Years ago there wouldn't have been many on the terraces if we were banned for homophobia, racism or general stupid behaviour, well lets just say that football couldn't keep going on that track but banning someone from a particular area of a town or travelling to another town where his team may be playing is what could be called draconian especially when the law seems to be lenient on some who need to be locked away.

[GrangeParkCobbler]

I think this must have been more to do with trouble than homophobic chanting......for a start off he's been labelled a hooligan, and it makes reference to violence and disorder at games, particularly the game at Sixfields.

Does seem a very harsh and stringent banning order specifically aimed at keeping him away from any football crowds either home or away.

[guest3086]

Maybe he's got the old crony virus.

[DrillingCobbler]

A side issue, kind of. How many of football fans, percent wise, have the attitude that 'pikey' is a very derogatory term and on a par with any other kind of 'racist' term?

I ask this question because I had a meeting (representing the trust) with the police recently, and I brought this point up. Be interested to know what the general consensus is?

[honcho]

Any word can be described as derogatory if enough people use it toward another person or minority of people, for instance some people object to being described as "brown" preferring to be thought of as "black" that is their preference as their skin colour is probably more brown than it is black. People can be described as "pommies" or "jocks", "taffs", "paddies", "brits", "frogs", "jerries", the list goes on and on, if gypsies don't like being called "pikies" then I for one wouldn't use that phrase but we are told that the word "gypsy" is incorrect too so maybe we shouldn't call them anything as they are so touchy but then again as we all know some people are very touchy about how they appear to others.

[Tabasco Kid]

A side issue, kind of. How many of football fans, percent wise, have the attitude that 'pikey' is a very derogatory term and on a par with any other kind of 'racist' term?

I ask this question because I had a meeting (representing the trust) with the police recently, and I brought this point up. Be interested to know what the general consensus is?

It strikes me that too many people, are hell bent on deciding what words we can, or cannot say. Its all going a little too far. For example:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1236647/animal-latest-news-pet-owner-companion-peta-human-carers
With regard to the term "pikey" which usually refers to those whose homes have wheels, I dont recall them being too concerned about who they offended?
Indeed, Viz ran a strip once, called The Thieving Gypsy B@stards. A complaint was made by the Gypsy association, and no surprise, it escalated all the way to the UN. Tax payer funded presumably. In the meantime, the principle complainer, was tried and found guilty of handling stolen goods. You couldnt make it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viz_(comics)
My apologies for linking Wiki. But it was all that I could find.
Shane, theres more important issues in life, than trying to change words.

[Tabasco Kid]

Wiki link failure on the above post.
Just click on "did you mean Viz (comics)?
Ta.

[BackOfTheNet]

I've always considered the term "pikey" more to do with lifestyle choices than a slur against someone's ethnicity.

[guest3086]

A side issue, kind of. How many of football fans, percent wise, have the attitude that 'pikey' is a very derogatory term and on a par with any other kind of 'racist' term?

I ask this question because I had a meeting (representing the trust) with the police recently, and I brought this point up. Be interested to know what the general consensus is?

What did the rozzers say?

[honcho]

Thinking on this subject I don't know whether it's just an English/British thing but in the 70's I remember the IRA and their sympathisers calling the British "brits", I thought at the time that this was a phrase designed to be offensive but as we know the British turned this into a positive and no offence occurred.
The well know Tottenham chant of "yids", rather than being a slight on the Jewish community was actually Tottenham fans taking a negative accusation of other football teams fans that all Tottenham supporters were Jewish into a positive calling themselves "yids" in the process winning the argument. If only others instead of getting irate turned these negatives into positives there wouldn't be a problem, if Peterborough United fans embraced webbed feet and Liverpool stealing hubcaps all would be well with the world.

[singcobb]

It strikes me that too many people, are hell bent on deciding what words we can, or cannot say. Its all going a little too far. For example:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1236647/animal-latest-news-pet-owner-companion-peta-human-carers
With regard to the term "pikey" which usually refers to those whose homes have wheels, I dont recall them being too concerned about who they offended?
Indeed, Viz ran a strip once, called The Thieving Gypsy B@stards. A complaint was made by the Gypsy association, and no surprise, it escalated all the way to the UN. Tax payer funded presumably. In the meantime, the principle complainer, was tried and found guilty of handling stolen goods. You couldnt make it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viz_(comics)
My apologies for linking Wiki. But it was all that I could find.
Shane, theres more important issues in life, than trying to change words.

I think the correct epithet is "workshy trespassers who leave a sea of s*** behind them".

[guest3338]

A side issue, kind of. How many of football fans, percent wise, have the attitude that 'pikey' is a very derogatory term and on a par with any other kind of 'racist' term?

I ask this question because I had a meeting (representing the trust) with the police recently, and I brought this point up. Be interested to know what the general consensus is?

One of the few sobriquet I can think of that has no positive connotation (in my world at least).
So yes, most certainly derogatory, negative and up there.

[Manwork04]

It makes my blood boil, fcuking do Gooders,peanut popin, lefty middle class socialists telling everyone not to say anything that might upset someone else, back in my day you’d have got a punch in the mouth for your trouble if you’d have tried to correct someone, as someone has said we’ve got bigger problems at the moment.

[606 Parklands_Cobbler]

It makes my blood boil, fcuking do Gooders,peanut popin, lefty middle class socialists telling everyone not to say anything that might upset someone else, back in my day you’d have got a punch in the mouth for your trouble if you’d have tried to correct someone, as someone has said we’ve got bigger problems at the moment.

And probably alot of people don't want people with your opinions around this football club. But, Hey ho.

[BackOfTheNet]

Today's visit to Sixfields and a wander past the gravel car park where some of our travelling friends have been staying was enough to highlight some of the antisocial behaviour that generates such bad feeling about them. Around a dozen bin bags, old clothing, used nappies, bottles (at least one of which appeared to be full of urine), abandoned kids toys, an old rug and other random bits of filth were strewn throughout the hedge and all over the pavement.

They were parked up less than 50 yards from the tip, for christ's sake! They could have slung it all in there as they left without adding more than 5 minutes to their onward journey but no, they left it for some other poor sod to deal with. If you want to live an alternative lifestyle then good luck to you, but show some common decency and respect for the rest of society while you are at it.

[Tabasco Kid]

I think the correct epithet is "workshy trespassers who leave a sea of **** behind them".

I think that the correct epithet should be "Land Pirates". 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-46309073
And I dont give a phuck if the term "Pikey" offends them. I will continue to use it. More so, now it has been suggested that I shouldnt.
And by the way, now my building site is finished, we called in a window cleaner, not a vision technician.

[singcobb]

I think that the correct epithet should be "Land Pirates". 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-46309073
And I dont give a phuck if the term "Pikey" offends them. I will continue to use it. More so, now it has been suggested that I shouldnt.
And by the way, now my building site is finished, we called in a window cleaner, not a vision technician.

At the end of the day they are Pikey scum, nothing more nothing less.