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« Reply #80 on: March 22, 2020, 16:18:39 pm »

You and I know that the difference between German and UK citizens regarding their adherence to Law, Order and any sanctions/punishment...

Very true, I think for once I can be thankful they are mindless robots.
All non-essential shops here are closed. Only food shops, chemists, petrol stations and food delivery services are open.
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« Reply #81 on: March 22, 2020, 18:57:28 pm »

They really should be closing all non-essential shops. I work for a retailer and looking at the sales figures this morning on my phone, people are still out there buying stuff that in no way qualifies as essential. The numbers are way down on last year, obviously, but they are still significant.

As long as stores are open, some consumers will still visit them and until they are told they can do otherwise the poor buggers working there are also having to put themselves at risk. I've made my feelings on the matter known but the decision to shutter the stores sits above my pay grade and they aren't taking it. The government really needs to say enough is enough the way they have with the hospitality industry.

To be fair to those who are being criticised for not obeying the daft shopping rules, the government have got to let people know precisely what they can and cannot do. Keeping the pubs and restaurants open but telling people they shouldn't visit them has to be one of the most ridiculous things to come out of all this. If they don't want us to visit the non essential shops they should tell them to close.
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« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2020, 08:22:37 am »

No football
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Staying in!

Yesterday I found a lady on my settee..................apparantly she is my wife!!!
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« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2020, 09:42:01 am »

No football
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Staying in!

Yesterday I found a lady on my settee..................apparantly she is my wife!!!

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« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2020, 10:17:25 am »

Driving to work this morning, there appeared to be more vehicles on the road than last week?
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« Reply #85 on: March 23, 2020, 14:00:44 pm »

Driving to work this morning, there appeared to be more vehicles on the road than last week?

They are heading off to do some more panic buying or say fúck it and go to the coffee shop with their mates.
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« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2020, 20:26:13 pm »

Update on my friend: he's feeling a lot better today. Still in bed and really tired all the time but now not feeling anywhere near as ill.

I know no one else knows him but I thought I'd keep giving progress reports as this is (thankfully) the only first hand account I've had of the virus so far and I'd guess most people are probably in the same boat right now.
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« Reply #87 on: March 25, 2020, 19:03:48 pm »

Update on my friend: he's feeling a lot better today. Still in bed and really tired all the time but now not feeling anywhere near as ill.

I know no one else knows him but I thought I'd keep giving progress reports as this is (thankfully) the only first hand account I've had of the virus so far and I'd guess most people are probably in the same boat right now.

Thanks for the update, it is interesting to hear about a case in "real" terms. I'm glad he is feeling better.
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« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2020, 18:56:32 pm »

This may have been asked and answered elsewhere, but can clubs furlough players and let the government pay? I would imagine with the limit at £2500 a month, some players may be covered.
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« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2020, 12:49:58 pm »

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-furlough-significant-number-staff-club-pledge-top-salaries-100-cent-2524257

The club are ensuring that ALL staff are being looked after during this crisis, taking advantage of the various help schemes being put in place by the Government.
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« Reply #90 on: April 01, 2020, 15:12:48 pm »

Update on my friend: he's feeling a lot better today. Still in bed and really tired all the time but now not feeling anywhere near as ill.

I know no one else knows him but I thought I'd keep giving progress reports as this is (thankfully) the only first hand account I've had of the virus so far and I'd guess most people are probably in the same boat right now.

Thanks for this. It illustrates though that when the Government state that most cases are 'mild', they are likely referring to those like your friend.
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« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2020, 21:28:27 pm »

Thanks for this. It illustrates though that when the Government state that most cases are 'mild', they are likely referring to those like your friend.

Wonder what this thread will look like in a few weeks time?
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« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2020, 19:28:13 pm »

Interesting how many people seerm to banging on about how the lowest paid are keeping the country going and the need to value them more after Covid. We voted Tory for God's sake - the poor will always pay the highest price under the Nasty Party.
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« Reply #93 on: May 05, 2020, 21:47:01 pm »

Highest death rate in Europe but the government have done superbly. Apparently.
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« Reply #94 on: May 05, 2020, 22:19:34 pm »

Highest death rate in Europe but the government have done superbly. Apparently.

Factually incorrect.....

According to the official WHO statistics, San Marino has the highest "death rate" with 1,208 deaths per 1 million residents. Belgium follows on behind with 692, then comes Andorra (595), Spain (548), Italy (485) and then the UK then with 433, France next with 391.

So we do not have the highest death rate....we may have the highest death toll, but the rate is lower than in some other countries.

I'm not surprised that a country with one of the highest populations in Europe also displays the highest death toll.

Worth bearing in mind too that different countries count deaths in different ways.....all deaths in the UK which have a Covid influence are counted as Covid deaths. Thats not the case in other countries such as Germany who only count those with Covid as a primary cause.

12 of the top 13 death rates in the World are in Europe, with the Carribean Island of St Martin the only exception. The US comes in 14th........per head of population. However you could break that down further and say that New York States' Covid death rate is 3 times that of ours (1,283 per million).....and most people in New York think the mayor is doing a fantastic job there too!

Keep things in perspective..... the death rate across the UK is 0.04%.........and an estimated 95% of Covid deaths have been where there have been underlying causes. The true figure of perfectly healthy people who have been killed outright in the UK by this virus is around 1500.
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« Reply #95 on: May 06, 2020, 09:16:19 am »

Factually incorrect.....

According to the official WHO statistics, San Marino has the highest "death rate" with 1,208 deaths per 1 million residents. Belgium follows on behind with 692, then comes Andorra (595), Spain (548), Italy (485) and then the UK then with 433, France next with 391.

So we do not have the highest death rate....we may have the highest death toll, but the rate is lower than in some other countries.

I'm not surprised that a country with one of the highest populations in Europe also displays the highest death toll.

Worth bearing in mind too that different countries count deaths in different ways.....all deaths in the UK which have a Covid influence are counted as Covid deaths. Thats not the case in other countries such as Germany who only count those with Covid as a primary cause.

12 of the top 13 death rates in the World are in Europe, with the Carribean Island of St Martin the only exception. The US comes in 14th........per head of population. However you could break that down further and say that New York States' Covid death rate is 3 times that of ours (1,283 per million).....and most people in New York think the mayor is doing a fantastic job there too!

Keep things in perspective..... the death rate across the UK is 0.04%.........and an estimated 95% of Covid deaths have been where there have been underlying causes. The true figure of perfectly healthy people who have been killed outright in the UK by this virus is around 1500.
Without knowing the answer, I would question one thing which has the potential to affect those figures and extrapolations.
My dad died on monday. He had been tested for Covid six days previously and the result was inconclusive, but the senior nurse at dads dementia home has said the clinical picture absolutely points towards Covid as being the cause. However because of the test status, dads death certificate only has dementia and old age listed on it
I dont see then how dads death and the doubtless many others like his can ever be included amongst the UK Covid toll, or if every country uses this same protocol?
As is now being touted, the only way we will be able to compare a countries reaction and response and performance against this thing will be to compare its excess deaths above it's own average over the period, if those figures ever become avaliable.

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« Reply #96 on: May 06, 2020, 09:32:12 am »

Sorry for your loss, CJ. Two of my colleagues have now lost parents due to Covid-19, both of which were in retirement homes. My parents are both in their eighties but fortunately they are fit and well enough to still be at home, but even so it's a worrying time.
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« Reply #97 on: May 06, 2020, 14:53:09 pm »

Without knowing the answer, I would question one thing which has the potential to affect those figures and extrapolations.
My dad died on monday. He had been tested for Covid six days previously and the result was inconclusive, but the senior nurse at dads dementia home has said the clinical picture absolutely points towards Covid as being the cause. However because of the test status, dads death certificate only has dementia and old age listed on it
I dont see then how dads death and the doubtless many others like his can ever be included amongst the UK Covid toll, or if every country uses this same protocol?
As is now being touted, the only way we will be able to compare a countries reaction and response and performance against this thing will be to compare its excess deaths above it's own average over the period, if those figures ever become avaliable.


Sincere condolences CJ, to you and your family for your loss.

I agree with your theory about assessing our performance, you also have a number of other factors to consider as well; like the density of populations and demographics of those populations as examples, but the after action review should research this and provide the basis of a plan if something similar occurs in the future.
Remember the Government, as were all other countries, were working from a blank sheet at the very start and hindsight is almost always right.
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« Reply #98 on: May 10, 2020, 10:25:24 am »

I can't quite believe the UK is only now introducing quarantine or checks for people arriving by air!

I flew back into Thailand from Kuala Lumpur in February and was greeted with a temperate check, gel and a face mask. The main airports here including Suvarnabhumi closed completely shortly after, only repatriation flights and cargo. Thailand today has reported 3004 confirmed cases and 56 deaths.

The virus has obviously been spread around by air travel but why the UK has allowed thousands in everyday is beyond me.

I have a beach hotel here and although the peace and quiet is welcome for a while a second huge outbreak will finish tourism, the airline industry and all the myriad of connected businesses.



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« Reply #99 on: May 10, 2020, 15:23:39 pm »

Without knowing the answer, I would question one thing which has the potential to affect those figures and extrapolations.
My dad died on monday. He had been tested for Covid six days previously and the result was inconclusive, but the senior nurse at dads dementia home has said the clinical picture absolutely points towards Covid as being the cause. However because of the test status, dads death certificate only has dementia and old age listed on it
I dont see then how dads death and the doubtless many others like his can ever be included amongst the UK Covid toll, or if every country uses this same protocol?
As is now being touted, the only way we will be able to compare a countries reaction and response and performance against this thing will be to compare its excess deaths above it's own average over the period, if those figures ever become avaliable.


Oh no. I'm really sorry to hear about your dad CJ.
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