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tcobb
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2020, 18:01:01 pm » |
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Nothing surprising in there at all, nobody doubted the recruitment was awful. KT certainly has made his share of poor appointments, not just managers.
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Terryfenwickatemyhamster
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2020, 10:32:28 am » |
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Nothing surprising in there at all, nobody doubted the recruitment was awful. KT certainly has made his share of poor appointments, not just managers.
Name one manager that met with widespread disappointment prior to their appointment. In fact I would say on balance, the most likely candidate to have gone early days would have been Chris Wilder, if the hindsight committees foresight had been listened to.
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CobblerForever
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2020, 11:32:10 am » |
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Name one manager that met with widespread disappointment prior to their appointment.
In fact I would say on balance, the most likely candidate to have gone early days would have been Chris Wilder, if the hindsight committees foresight had been listened to.
I've said this before but I'll say it again. We don't get to interview the candidates or even know them that well. That's Kelvin's job. Hasselbaink always struck me as incoherent and inarticulate (in English). If I can't understand him how can we expect the players to understand him. Rob Page - barely knew him, did a better than average job at Port Vale. JE - a journeyman manager by the time he signed for us.
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guest48
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2020, 15:04:24 pm » |
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Name one manager that met with widespread disappointment prior to their appointment.
I wouldn't say "widespread disappointment" but I thought JE was a "interesting" appointment, having been sacked a few days before from Gillingham. Why would anyone think "He was rubbish there, but he'll be great for us" when Gillingham are a very similar club to us, that were my thoughts at the time.
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bungle
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2020, 15:16:51 pm » |
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The problem with Page was that he very much a cautious, unimaginative manager who went for a safety first approach without taking the time to work out the secret of our success in league two.
He signed Revell (when we already had Rico) and Taylor simply because they were experienced, safety-first type signings without really thinking about how they would fit with the rest of the team.
TFAMH is right that all this is with the benefit of hindsight (although if memory serves Port Vale fans were not exactly sorry to see the back of him).
However, I would have hoped that one of the questions at interview would have been 'name three signings to take us forward' . If the answer was an ageing striker who is very similar to Rico, a midfielder whose legs have gone and a random loanee rookie kid (Kenji Gorre) signed at the last minute as a replacement for one of the most talismanic wingers in our history then I would have thought that should have rung a few alarm bells.
TBF both Revell and Taylor did pretty well for us as it goes, it's just that they didn't really click with what we had already.
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EB Claret
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2020, 15:34:29 pm » |
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Name one manager that met with widespread disappointment prior to their appointment.
In fact I would say on balance, the most likely candidate to have gone early days would have been Chris Wilder, if the hindsight committees foresight had been listened to.
I was underwhelmed by several of our managerial appointments, including Chris Wilder, but always wished them well and hoped that they surprised me. Luckily Sir Chris was so much better than I could have wished for. The one choice I was really against was Gary Johnson, don't know why!, it was just a feeling... ...and I thought Sammo deserved longer.
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Melbourne Cobbler
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2020, 19:02:23 pm » |
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What are the qualities that we would like from any potential managerial candidate? I would say a track record of building successful squads from scratch on a limited budget? An exciting and entertaining style of football displayed by their teams? At least one promotion and no failures or justified dismissals on their C.V? Finally affordable wage demands and availability at the time of the vacancy? I reckon that’s pretty much the criteria, now realistically how feasible is that? There in lies the problem, any available candidate is likely to be missing at least one of the benchmarks and to be fair it always seems to me to be a near impossible task? Now if you were in charge which missing quality would you be prepared to accept? In truth I think the reality is that all of this goes out of the window and it ends up being a comparative assessment between applicants irrespective of the missing attributes, hence the recent issues?
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Terryfenwickatemyhamster
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2020, 19:05:43 pm » |
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There will always be, at the time of any appointment, an array of varying opinion. But ones things for sure, there is no way of knowing what you are getting until time has passed. That is in any job. Not just football..
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Melbourne Cobbler
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2020, 19:17:25 pm » |
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There will always be, at the time of any appointment, an array of varying opinion. But ones things for sure, there is no way of knowing what you are getting until time has passed. That is in any job. Not just football..
ain’t that the truth.
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guest3264
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2020, 04:08:10 am » |
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What are the qualities that we would like from any potential managerial candidate? I would say a track record of building successful squads from scratch on a limited budget? An exciting and entertaining style of football displayed by their teams? At least one promotion and no failures or justified dismissals on their C.V? Finally affordable wage demands and availability at the time of the vacancy? I reckon that’s pretty much the criteria, now realistically how feasible is that? There in lies the problem, any available candidate is likely to be missing at least one of the benchmarks and to be fair it always seems to me to be a near impossible task? Now if you were in charge which missing quality would you be prepared to accept? In truth I think the reality is that all of this goes out of the window and it ends up being a comparative assessment between applicants irrespective of the missing attributes, hence the recent issues?
I like the gamble of a manager who has been successful at more than one club, even if it is from the National Leagues. It shows the ability to build a team for a promotion push more than once. Graham Carr was successful at Weymouth, Dartford and Nuneaton, Chris Wilder at Alfreton, Halifax and Oxford.
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yayo bayo
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2020, 20:23:11 pm » |
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Following wilder was an absolute poison chalice for page. I thought his reign was diabolical but in retrospect was it due to compare and contrast. Wilder had a magical six months where he did no wrong!
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yayo bayo
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2020, 20:25:10 pm » |
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A lot of players spoke very highly about pages interpersonal skills....
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yayo bayo
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2020, 20:26:06 pm » |
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Apologies....booze and coke influence
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yayo bayo
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2020, 20:35:17 pm » |
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Last drunken message.....lloyd jones being sounded out about signing a deal with us to replace Wharton next season. Hes interested as hes settled with a bird in milton Keynes but the wage luton were and are still paying him is way off what is being offered....rant over
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