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« on: August 04, 2020, 21:14:45 pm » |
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After being neutral for so long, and not wanting to take sides in the whole Trust v Owners stand off, tonight's announcement that they will be meeting the Council and having a board meeting first makes me realise The Trust are only interested in their own agenda.
Because of this any support of The Trust I had has gone and I shall sadly not be renewing my membership.
I am totally gobsmacked that an organisation that is there for the supporters of a football club would intentionally wait to have a meeting with their club at such a crucial time so it could represent it's members at the earliest opportunity.I'm totally lost for words.
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2020, 21:24:22 pm » |
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I am not sure thats fair.
I am certainly no lover of the trust even though I am a life member.
I feel they have been hijacked by a few individuals who wish to push their anti club agenda. The chairman's response however,is not unreasonable. A board meeting is scheduled for next week. Allow them to discuss it and then comeback with a formal response.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2020, 21:30:32 pm » |
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After being neutral for so long, and not wanting to take sides in the whole Trust v Owners stand off, tonight's announcement that they will be meeting the Council and having a board meeting first makes me realise The Trust are only interested in their own agenda.
Because of this any support of The Trust I had has gone and I shall sadly not be renewing my membership.
I am totally gobsmacked that an organisation that is there for the supporters of a football club would intentionally wait to have a meeting with their club at such a crucial time so it could represent it's members at the earliest opportunity.I'm totally lost for words.
What's the problem? I would have thought this is exactly what they should do. Just because KT has had a 23 minute swipe doesn't change anything of itself. |
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2020, 21:33:05 pm » |
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Considering it's been well over 18 months since the Trust last had the opportunity to sit down with anyone at the football club to discuss their concerns I'm surprised they're happy to wait any longer.
If I was on the board of the Trust, since the open letter was sent I'd have been doing all I could to push a meeting of with the rest of the board forward. I wouldn't be happy to sit there and go - it can wait until our scheduled meeting 7 days later.
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guest3153
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2020, 21:34:16 pm » |
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I'm being totally fair. I've been neutral on this throughout but I can see no good intentions in waiting to meet Kelvin Thomas.
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guest3153
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2020, 21:39:04 pm » |
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I would have respected The Trust if they had met with KT asap, took the conversation back to the Trust Board then had a second meeting.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2020, 21:42:47 pm » |
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I know they pride themselves on being a democratic organisation, but I think they could do with being a little less democratic at times. They don't seem to be able to fart until they've had a meeting to decide quite how to do it by committee. I suspect this delay in speaking to KT probably isn't intended to be anything sinister or rude, they are just so bloody dogmatic they can't break from their existing plans and do something off the cuff.
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guest3153
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2020, 21:45:02 pm » |
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Which is why I can no longer support them.
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2020, 22:18:07 pm » |
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Which is why I can no longer support them.
Ok we get it, jog on. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2020, 22:30:36 pm » |
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As you know I have been supportive of the owners and continue to be, so this is not necessarily a criticism but I imagine this thread was the sort of intention of the club? Get on board constructively or suffer the consequences? Very well played Sir.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2020, 22:36:21 pm » |
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As you know I have been supportive of the owners and continue to be, so this is not necessarily a criticism but I imagine this thread was the sort of intention of the club? Get on board constructively or suffer the consequences? Very well played Sir.
I thought it was just the Trust who had an agenda!!  |
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2020, 23:04:10 pm » |
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I thought it was just the Trust who had an agenda!! Not anymore apparently? |
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2020, 07:50:34 am » |
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I know they pride themselves on being a democratic organisation, but I think they could do with being a little less democratic at times. They don't seem to be able to fart until they've had a meeting to decide quite how to do it by committee. I suspect this delay in speaking to KT probably isn't intended to be anything sinister or rude, they are just so bloody dogmatic they can't break from their existing plans and do something off the cuff.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Shoemaker has gone quiet? |
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2020, 07:51:54 am » |
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It seems to be the trend these days, you can’t sit in the middle and have a balanced view it’s either you think the Trust are dreadful and have an agenda or that Thomas is Cardoza in disguise.
Have the trust gone about things as well as they could have? Definitely not
Are they asking some valid questions? I think so
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2020, 08:34:03 am » |
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I dont support the Trust, they dont share the same opinions of me but that's fine, that's why I'm not a member. I think fan ownership would be the beginning of the end but its my opinion.
The relationship is clearly broken and this is a great opportunity to rebuild it and hopefully have a more harmonious relationship between the club and the Trust, so that hopefully they can be a force for good again.
I do however think the Trust have done exactly the correct thing in their reply and surprised by this thread and similar comments on social media.
They have a pre planned meeting with the council and want to take an opportunity to consider there reply to the club, nothing wrong with that at all. Compromise is needed from the Trust (and possibly the club) and I would much rather they are clear going into the meeting than having to think on the spot.
Also whilst a better relationship is required they would come in for criticism as being a lap dog if they dropped everything as soon as the club rang the bell.
The relationship has been sour for a long time, another week isnt going to make any difference.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2020, 08:43:34 am » |
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That's a fair point, Woody, but for me if things have gone as far south between two parties (as they have between the club and the Trust), when one party offers an olive branch it's only polite to accept it. Imagine you've fallen out with your mate and then you decide to reach out to them to build a few bridges and they respond by saying "I'm just going to have a chat with a few mutual friends first to see what they have to say" do you think "fair enough" or do you think "sod you then"?
It's in no one's interest for things to be left to fester any longer than necessary and the continued animosity between the club and the Trust does neither party any favours. I've said it a couple of times already - accept the invitation, have a chat, clear the air and plan for proper meetings in the future when everyone has done the preparation they need to do.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2020, 09:03:25 am » |
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It seems to be the trend these days, you can’t sit in the middle and have a balanced view it’s either you think the Trust are dreadful and have an agenda or that Thomas is Cardoza in disguise.
Have the trust gone about things as well as they could have? Definitely not
Are they asking some valid questions? I think so
Yep, there is no place for balance any more and even less a constructive debate. I actually think this has characterised the Trust's own statements, not just the responses on here. Their questions/concerns are doubtless valid, but the way they've gone about raising them gets people's backs up and widens the divide. On something like the £3m point, for instance, you have to be 100% sure of your understanding before you go public. Even then you'll likely get further by asking pertinent, open questions and letting people reach their own conclusions. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2020, 09:43:40 am » |
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On something like the £3m point, for instance, you have to be 100% sure of your understanding before you go public. Even then you'll likely get further by asking pertinent, open questions and letting people reach their own conclusions.
I couldn't agree more! I will say that I have woken up today feeling that I may have been a little harsh with my immediate feelings regarding the Trust's response. Of course they should keep any pre-arranged appointments that they have and I would expect them (the board members) to discuss the points raised by KT in response to their own 5 points made in their statement regarding the FOI. That being said, surely the response back to the club could have simple said: "Thanks for reaching out. Of course we would like to take you up on your offer. As soon as I have spoken to the rest of the board and gathered some available dates we can all attend I'll be back in touch." |
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2020, 10:02:15 am » |
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That's a fair point, Woody, but for me if things have gone as far south between two parties (as they have between the club and the Trust), when one party offers an olive branch it's only polite to accept it. Imagine you've fallen out with your mate and then you decide to reach out to them to build a few bridges and they respond by saying "I'm just going to have a chat with a few mutual friends first to see what they have to say" do you think "fair enough" or do you think "sod you then"?
It's in no one's interest for things to be left to fester any longer than necessary and the continued animosity between the club and the Trust does neither party any favours. I've said it a couple of times already - accept the invitation, have a chat, clear the air and plan for proper meetings in the future when everyone has done the preparation they need to do.
I would think they already had plans which is fair enough. |
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Battery Man
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2020, 10:07:09 am » |
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Are we at a stage with the Supporters Trust where a large portion of the support feel they are irrelevant, if that is the case then maybe it is time the trust reach out to the fans as a whole and ask what they want from a supporters trust or even if they want one.
There have been a few comments recently from various different people on social media to the fact that they feel the trust is a small clique which does not represent its members let alone the fans.
I don't know if they do or don't but now is probably a good time for them to put some sort of questionaire out to the general fan base and not just members to see what is needed and wanted, the original trust was well needed and represented what we as supporters wanted, but in the last few years we seem somehow to have moved away from that. The people who work for the trust put a lot of time into doing what they think is best and give up a lot of their spare time but if its not what the fans want then is it right?
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