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« on: August 05, 2020, 15:56:29 pm » |
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Before I go on, I'm not having a go at anyone in particular!!
I remember last time we got promoted, of course shortly afterwards Wilder left, Page came in, the retained list was done and some players were released, also the likes of Adams, Holmes and Rose moved on to pastures new. The loan players who had done us so well the previous season (Marquis and Collins for example) never returned....
New players came in, the season started ok with a lot of draws but soon went downhill....and then the accusations which still continue to this day that "Page dismantled the squad"
Fast forward to this season, we got promoted, Curle has done his retained list, a lot of players were released, some have moved on (Oliver, probably Goode), the loan players who were here last season such as Wharton and Morton have gone back.....
What is the difference between what Page did and what is happening now?
Not going into the reasons such as budgets, wage structures etc.....it just seems that history is repeating itself. A lot will depend on who comes in, thats maybe where Page fell down.....but as for "dismantling the squad"....isn't that happening again? Or will it only be classed as dismantling if we have a poor start to the new season?
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2020, 15:59:18 pm » |
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The main difference is that the manager signed. The previous examples saw the man at the top leaving as well as the players. Curle's leadership and philosophy should help to mould the next group together.
The profile we got through the playoff campaign could arguably help us to attract players ahead of the automatically promoted clubs, who left public knowledge at the start of March. I reckon some players will have watched the playoffs and been impressed with what Curle had done.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2020, 16:14:12 pm » |
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The difference is that Pages signings and frankly virtually all the recruitment between Wilder and Curle was shockingly poor. So in 2 words Andy Melville?
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2020, 16:15:24 pm » |
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I think it's different to call it's a dismantling - I think there's probably only Turnbull there who we decided not to keep unexpectedly. Everyone else who has left (so far) was not in our control.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2020, 16:20:27 pm » |
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Win promotion Dismantle squad Fail to buy good enough players for league one Stay up for one season Get relegated second season It’s like Groundhog Day Same old same old  |
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2020, 16:34:43 pm » |
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I dont think you should compare last years squad with the title seasons squad although I agree the same does seem to be happening.
Wilders team would have been top half of league one minimum whilst I think survival is all you could reasonably expect from this team. Provided Curle is adequately backed I think we can do better than what we finished last season with.
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GrangeParkCobbler
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2020, 16:50:18 pm » |
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Some interesting viewpoints, which was the point of the post.
A lot will depend on recruitment, and I get the reference to Melville!! Hopefully we aren’t in that position again.
It’s early days yet, and results may (hopefully) be better...time will tell!
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2020, 17:10:47 pm » |
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I think you’ll find that at this level it’s very common to lose players from your promotion winning squad. Key players attract interest from bigger clubs and therefore leave. You‘ll also most likely have one or two good loan players that will return to their parent club (as we do in this instance) and then inevitably you’re going to have players who were decent enough for League Two but you aren’t convinced they’ll be of any real value in League One. The result? The loss of some first team regulars.
I’m reluctant to call it a ‘dismantling’ though, for two reasons. One, the manager will be staying which I believe is almost as important as holding onto any player. Two, the exits of Morton, Wharton, Oliver and potentially Goode are largely out of our control and in an ideal world we’d like to have them all next season. Let’s also remember that even though we have released quite a few players, it’s reasonable to conclude that almost all of them probably wouldn’t have cut it at League One level (with the exception of Turnbull and McCormack (if fit, which is a big issue for the latter). If you get promoted you have to strengthen, but in the lower leagues you can normally only strengthen once you’ve freed up the money to do so by releasing players. This is even more pertinent during this financially rocky period.
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Manwork04
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2020, 17:30:34 pm » |
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Absolutely no comparison...
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Manwork04
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2020, 17:30:53 pm » |
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Win promotion Dismantle squad Fail to buy good enough players for league one Stay up for one season Get relegated second season It’s like Groundhog Day Same old same old Spot on. |
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Another Pedj
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2020, 17:51:05 pm » |
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Hold on.Were you not the one saying last season that the squad would not finish top half.
Now apparentlythey are superior league 1and irreplaceable. Your judgement gets ever more questionable year on year.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2020, 17:52:08 pm » |
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No not even similar in the slightest, Curles team needs a massive overall, it only finished 7th, a few more games and chances are they wouldn't have finished that high. Curle knows improvements all round are needed.
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2020, 18:23:17 pm » |
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There's a difference in walking the league and stumbling over the line in 7th as well
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Manwork04
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2020, 18:25:29 pm » |
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Hold on.Were you not the one saying last season that the squad would not finish top half.
Now apparentlythey are superior league 1and irreplaceable. Your judgement gets ever more questionable year on year.
Serious question, do you honestly think we would have finished in the play off positions if the season had played out minus Covid-19? |
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Another Pedj
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2020, 18:33:08 pm » |
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Well as it happens,when they went 6.8 on betfair in March, to get promoted,I did. In hindsight I wish I had a bigger bet but.....
The point is you always claimed the squad was not good enough for a top half finish in Division 2. Now you are complaining at dismantling that same squad. Not good enough for division2 but irreplaceable in Division1.
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Manwork04
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2020, 18:36:32 pm » |
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Well as it happens,when they went 6.8 on betfair in March, to get promoted,I did. In hindsight I wish I had a bigger bet but.....
The point is you always claimed the squad was not good enough for a top half finish in Division 2. Now you are complaining at dismantling that same squad. Not good enough for division2 but irreplaceable in Division1.
That prediction was made before we had Callum Morton, Curle got incredibly lucky last season but I’m not complaining. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2020, 19:28:32 pm » |
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No not even similar in the slightest, Curles team needs a massive overall, it only finished 7th, a few more games and chances are they wouldn't have finished that high. Curle knows improvements all round are needed.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2020, 19:31:06 pm » |
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That prediction was made before we had Callum Morton, Curle got incredibly lucky last season but I’m not complaining.
What's so lucky about recruiting the right players?  |
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Manwork04
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2020, 19:45:09 pm » |
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I was referring to the timing of the premature end of season.
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