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« Reply #120 on: October 18, 2020, 09:14:42 am »

I think some people need to take a deep breath, change into some dry knickers and generally calm down a bit.

We're 6 games into a new season at a higher level and haven't had the best of starts. The squad looks very different from last year and is going to take time to gel. I'm not impressed with a few of the new players so far, but others are showing potential and if we can get a few more players firing on all cylinders then that might make up for some of the inadequacies elsewhere on the pitch.

I think this is quite likely to happen because, as much as I didn't want Curle and would happily have binned him around the middle of last season, I think he's proven himself capable of getting the best out of his players, but with so many new players he can't be expected to have got them all where he wants them to be. We haven't been signing finished articles because, frankly, if they were finished articles we wouldn't have been able to sign them.

To put it into some perspective, we're 2 and 3 points respectively behind two of the sides that came down from the Championship last season. It can be a challenge to adapt to a new level. Yes, sometimes teams hit the ground running and if that happens then great. If it doesn't, hitting the panic button straight away isn't the answer.
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« Reply #121 on: October 18, 2020, 09:39:12 am »

I don't actually think people are overreacting to just the start to this season.

Go back to Port Vale at home on the 8th of Feb. We've played 16 games in that time and the record (including play offs) is 5 wins, 1 draw and 10 losses. If he genuinely isn't under any pressure, then that shows how little interest the owners have on the footballing side.
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« Reply #122 on: October 18, 2020, 09:50:15 am »

I think winning a promotion may have smoothed over the years form to be honest. He achieved more than expected last year, so he get's at least til January. Anything less that makes us an absolute joke.
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« Reply #123 on: October 18, 2020, 09:51:16 am »

KC won’t be sacked no matter what imo...

No match day income for the forseable & no fans to boo after every defeat makes the decision a non starter...

Pay offs needed for KC & all his back room team...

As usual we’ve fvcked up with the contracts offered to KC and his staff...
Should always have been either a 1 year or rolling contract yet we offer a two year deal  Roll Eyes

Just gotta hope he somehow turns it around...
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« Reply #124 on: October 18, 2020, 09:53:08 am »

I don't actually think people are overreacting to just the start to this season.

Go back to Port Vale at home on the 8th of Feb. We've played 16 games in that time and the record (including play offs) is 5 wins, 1 draw and 10 losses. If he genuinely isn't under any pressure, then that shows how little interest the owners have on the footballing side.
Nail on the head Dan, the owners have little to no interest in the football side of things, name me ONE player who is an upgrade on last season?
Swindon is a massive 6 pointer they haven’t had the best start either, we need to win this as we have some really tough games coming up.
The abject failure of Kelvin Thomas to invest in one or two league one standard players is the reason we are in the bottom 4.
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« Reply #125 on: October 18, 2020, 09:55:14 am »

I think some people need to take a deep breath, change into some dry knickers and generally calm down a bit.

We're 6 games into a new season at a higher level and haven't had the best of starts. The squad looks very different from last year and is going to take time to gel. I'm not impressed with a few of the new players so far, but others are showing potential and if we can get a few more players firing on all cylinders then that might make up for some of the inadequacies elsewhere on the pitch.

I think this is quite likely to happen because, as much as I didn't want Curle and would happily have binned him around the middle of last season, I think he's proven himself capable of getting the best out of his players, but with so many new players he can't be expected to have got them all where he wants them to be. We haven't been signing finished articles because, frankly, if they were finished articles we wouldn't have been able to sign them.

To put it into some perspective, we're 2 and 3 points respectively behind two of the sides that came down from the Championship last season. It can be a challenge to adapt to a new level. Yes, sometimes teams hit the ground running and if that happens then great. If it doesn't, hitting the panic button straight away isn't the answer.

Sorry, but the argument 'time to gel' doesn't wash with me. Every team in the league could use that argument and if the manager thought it would be an issue he should change the team gradually. Time and again we do this, we create a competent team and then when quality is most required as the level changes we completely dismantle it. A team that creates momentum through promotion should continue to thrive with a few tweaks not with wholesale butchering. The players that remain should be the best players not the weakest.
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« Reply #126 on: October 18, 2020, 09:57:54 am »

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« Reply #127 on: October 18, 2020, 10:13:12 am »

Sorry, but the argument 'time to gel' doesn't wash with me. Every team in the league could use that argument and if the manager thought it would be an issue he should change the team gradually. Time and again we do this, we create a competent team and then when quality is most required as the level changes we completely dismantle it. A team that creates momentum through promotion should continue to thrive with a few tweaks not with wholesale butchering. The players that remain should be the best players not the weakest.

Except we have lost our entire defence and the spine of the team, and I doubt that's true of many other teams. I agree we're a weaker team than last year but the loanees going back is beyond our control, Goode leaving was good business, McCormack I'm sure we'd all have liked to keep but the fact he got injured straight away at Southend suggests it was probably the right decision to let him go. I'd have liked Turnbull and Oliver to have stayed, but I'm not privy to what was going on behind the scenes on this.
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« Reply #128 on: October 18, 2020, 10:24:41 am »

Except we have lost our entire defence and the spine of the team, and I doubt that's true of many other teams. I agree we're a weaker team than last year but the loanees going back is beyond our control, Goode leaving was good business, McCormack I'm sure we'd all have liked to keep but the fact he got injured straight away at Southend suggests it was probably the right decision to let him go. I'd have liked Turnbull and Oliver to have stayed, but I'm not privy to what was going on behind the scenes on this.
I think what was going on behind the scenes was KT pulling the plug on KC.
This team would struggle in L2.
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« Reply #129 on: October 18, 2020, 10:36:26 am »

KC won’t be sacked no matter what imo...
Pay offs needed for KC & all his back room team...
As usual we’ve fvcked up with the contracts offered to KC and his staff...
Should always have been either a 1 year or rolling contract yet we offer a two year deal  Roll Eyes

I remember saying this the middle of last season, that we should never give a manager more than a 1 year rolling contract. If they are useless it doesn't cost as much to sack them, if they are brilliant they will go anyhow.
  I also remember getting shot down on here for saying that  Wink
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« Reply #130 on: October 18, 2020, 10:57:08 am »

Sorry, but the argument 'time to gel' doesn't wash with me. Every team in the league could use that argument and if the manager thought it would be an issue he should change the team gradually. Time and again we do this, we create a competent team and then when quality is most required as the level changes we completely dismantle it. A team that creates momentum through promotion should continue to thrive with a few tweaks not with wholesale butchering. The players that remain should be the best players not the weakest.

Most of that is factually incorrect and ignores what what actually happened. NTFC did not dismantle the playoff side it unraveled on its own! Wholesale butchering - OTT are you ok?
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« Reply #131 on: October 18, 2020, 11:00:55 am »

Nail on the head Dan, the owners have little to no interest in the football side of things, name me ONE player who is an upgrade on last season?
Swindon is a massive 6 pointer they haven’t had the best start either, we need to win this as we have some really tough games coming up.
The abject failure of Kelvin Thomas to invest in one or two league one standard players is the reason we are in the bottom 4.

I was really disappointed at his public support behind Project Big Picture. That was the sort of thing Cardoza would have done.

I remember saying this the middle of last season, that we should never give a manager more than a 1 year rolling contract. If they are useless it doesn't cost as much to sack them, if they are brilliant they will go anyhow.
  I also remember getting shot down on here for saying that  Wink

Fully agree on this about rolling contracts.
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« Reply #132 on: October 18, 2020, 11:02:28 am »

I remember saying this the middle of last season, that we should never give a manager more than a 1 year rolling contract. If they are useless it doesn't cost as much to sack them, if they are brilliant they will go anyhow.
  I also remember getting shot down on here for saying that  Wink

Brilliant comments and cleverly put! Be prepared to be shot down again!
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« Reply #133 on: October 18, 2020, 11:25:37 am »

Nail on the head Dan, the owners have little to no interest in the football side of things, name me ONE player who is an upgrade on last season?
Swindon is a massive 6 pointer they haven’t had the best start either, we need to win this as we have some really tough games coming up.
The abject failure of Kelvin Thomas to invest in one or two league one standard players is the reason we are in the bottom 4.

Arnold/Mitchell, Rose, Sowerby, Mills, Bernard, Bolger(similar to  Turnbull), Racic probably when he plays in proper position! and Chuck.  Just my opinion!

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« Reply #134 on: October 18, 2020, 12:46:43 pm »

Arnold/Mitchell, Rose, Sowerby, Mills, Bernard, Bolger(similar to  Turnbull), Racic probably when he plays in proper position! and Chuck.  Just my opinion!

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« Reply #135 on: October 18, 2020, 13:54:32 pm »

You have got it so wrong yet again everblite. Bono is in U2.

Latin was never your strong point  'el Politico. Who is Bono? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #136 on: October 18, 2020, 16:47:05 pm »

Arnold/Mitchell, Rose, Sowerby, Mills, Bernard, Bolger(similar to  Turnbull), Racic probably when he plays in proper position! and Chuck.  Just my opinion!

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Bolger is an absolute donkey compared to Turnbull IMO Evers old chum
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« Reply #137 on: October 18, 2020, 18:09:09 pm »

Bolger is an absolute donkey compared to Turnbull IMO Evers old chum
Disputatio stercora.

So was Turnbull for a time!

Surprised at you failing the old school motto 'non deficere'.

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« Reply #138 on: October 18, 2020, 19:25:36 pm »

I think some people need to take a deep breath, change into some dry knickers and generally calm down a bit.

We're 6 games into a new season at a higher level and haven't had the best of starts. The squad looks very different from last year and is going to take time to gel. I'm not impressed with a few of the new players so far, but others are showing potential and if we can get a few more players firing on all cylinders then that might make up for some of the inadequacies elsewhere on the pitch.

I think this is quite likely to happen because, as much as I didn't want Curle and would happily have binned him around the middle of last season, I think he's proven himself capable of getting the best out of his players, but with so many new players he can't be expected to have got them all where he wants them to be. We haven't been signing finished articles because, frankly, if they were finished articles we wouldn't have been able to sign them.

To put it into some perspective, we're 2 and 3 points respectively behind two of the sides that came down from the Championship last season. It can be a challenge to adapt to a new level. Yes, sometimes teams hit the ground running and if that happens then great. If it doesn't, hitting the panic button straight away isn't the answer.

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« Reply #139 on: October 18, 2020, 20:09:14 pm »

Agreed

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