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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2020, 18:19:46 pm »

As previously said by many, he should NEVER have been offered new a two year contract...the club never learn!

That post match interview was utterly embarrassing & shows he's completely deluded.

He's somehow managed to assemble a squad worse than the one he inherited.

I would honestly accept relegation as long as we tried playing some decent football & had a manager with some tactical nouse...he's absolutely clueless
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2020, 18:24:19 pm »

Watching most of our games this season the first thing you notice is that we use zonal marking and it doesn't work. The second thing is that we play a back 3 and wingbacks but don't have the players to suit the system. The third is if the opposition manager tells his midfielders to get the ball and run forward, we are in trouble. The forth is that KC substitutions rarely improve us as a team. The MOST disappointing thing is that everyone can see this, opposition managers have said this, but Curle doesn't do anything about these glairing problems.
      There will never be a more obvious example of zonal not working than the free header just before half time. The only players we have that are anything resembling wing backs are Harriman and Mills. Adams doesn't have the legs to get up and back all the time, if we played a back 4 we could have Harriman and Sheehan as full backs and then we only have to pick 2 of the "Centre Half's"  and can then play another midfielder to try and get some possession. Today, when he bought Ricky on, he obviously wanted him to play in the position Hoskins was playing, but rather than doing a straight swap he take off Harriman and moves Hoskins to wing back Huh??
      I see people are saying we can't afford to pay him off, so put him in charge of the Youth team and put Jon Brady in charge of the first team doesn't cost any money and it cant be any worse
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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2020, 18:30:12 pm »

As previously said by many, he should NEVER have been offered new a two year contract...the club never learn!

That post match interview was utterly embarrassing & shows he's completely deluded.

He's somehow managed to assemble a squad worse than the one he inherited.

I would honestly accept relegation as long as we tried playing some decent football & had a manager with some tactical nouse...he's absolutely clueless

I remember people getting worried after the play-off games that he wouldn't sign a new contract, now people want him out less than six months in  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2020, 18:40:52 pm »

The only comment I have on this thread is that it is no surprise who started it.
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2020, 18:45:36 pm »

I remember people getting worried after the play-off games that he wouldn't sign a new contract, now people want him out less than six months in  Roll Eyes


Genuine question. Who was worried?
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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2020, 18:50:58 pm »

Genuine question. Who was worried?

Some - as in supporters. On here and Twitter etc.

By the way, I thought you warmed to Keith Curle during last season?

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2020, 19:17:00 pm »

Happy Birthday Keith.
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2020, 19:21:00 pm »

I thought he deserved an attempt at this League based on the Play Off success but if I was KT I would have only offered him 12 months. If he did an Oliver then so be it. Itís easy with hindsight but there were enough warning signs last season.
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2020, 19:36:03 pm »

It's not just the woeful results...it's the constant turgid football being served up game after game...
HOOOOOOF to Smith who IS NOT OLIVER FFS!

It's his arrogance too, he really thinks he's unsackable, post match interview was bizzare as he thought we competed and match could have gone either way...they all had Covid but still had plenty of quality & should have put the game to bed with the number of decent chances they squandered!

I see Bristol Rovers have just sacked their manager...they still managed to comfortably beat us!
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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2020, 20:03:03 pm »

We've played 12 league games this season, 7 of them at home. We have scored just 4 goals in those seven games.......Curle is probably glad there are no fans allowed in at the moment!!

Four home goals is the worst record in the entire Football League.
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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2020, 20:05:39 pm »

Watching most of our games this season the first thing you notice is that we use zonal marking and it doesn't work. The second thing is that we play a back 3 and wingbacks but don't have the players to suit the system. The third is if the opposition manager tells his midfielders to get the ball and run forward, we are in trouble. The forth is that KC substitutions rarely improve us as a team. The MOST disappointing thing is that everyone can see this, opposition managers have said this, but Curle doesn't do anything about these glairing problems.
      There will never be a more obvious example of zonal not working than the free header just before half time. The only players we have that are anything resembling wing backs are Harriman and Mills. Adams doesn't have the legs to get up and back all the time, if we played a back 4 we could have Harriman and Sheehan as full backs and then we only have to pick 2 of the "Centre Half's"  and can then play another midfielder to try and get some possession. Today, when he bought Ricky on, he obviously wanted him to play in the position Hoskins was playing, but rather than doing a straight swap he take off Harriman and moves Hoskins to wing back Huh??
      I see people are saying we can't afford to pay him off, so put him in charge of the Youth team and put Jon Brady in charge of the first team doesn't cost any money and it cant be any worse


Good post.

As I've said many times, Curle is a competent League Two manager. He knows how to organise a team to grind out results at that level and that puts him ahead of quite a few of his predecessors. I had my doubts regarding his ability to achieve a career-first promotion, but to be fair to him he proved a lot of us wrong on that.

I think what we need to see now is nothing short of an urgent tactical re-think. We can't do much about personnel now until January, and realistically we'll always be out-gunned by the bigger clubs at this level when it comes to ability.

What is achievable, however, is build a simple and coherent tactical set-up which makes us hard to beat and generates some chances.

I agree with you that 4 at the back is the way forward. You simply can't win games at this level playing with only two midfielders (or 1 as was the case against Oxford City!!!) It can work in L2 because the opposition aren't generally good enough to achieve midfield dominance.



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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2020, 20:10:39 pm »

Is a change of manager going to give us more of a chance of winning more games ?
Is a change of manager going to improve the entertainment on offer ?
The answer is yes to both questions .
The real worry is that he is a one trick pony . Everyone knows our trick and itís not a very good trick with this team anyway .
I would like to see him go . Now preferably
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2020, 20:13:18 pm »

The football isnít great but for me this year will always be about survival. As long as we finish 20th or above I donít really care how we do it. I think we all knew weíd be in for a long season as soon as it started. Curle took over when the club was at the foot of League Two and got us promoted in his first full season. He deserves more than 12 games in League One. In a season where any new manager will probably struggle to make too many changes to the squad I donít see sacking him as a sensible decision at this stage.
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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2020, 20:29:40 pm »

The only comment I have on this thread is that it is no surprise who started it.
You got all excited again when you typed that didnít you?  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2020, 20:29:56 pm »

It is impossible to change the way a manager sets up his team. They all become stubborn and continue with their system even when it is obviously failing. They aren't really that bothered if they are sacked. They get a pay-off and continue to swill around the very limited soup of management swill. This geezer we have been fobbed off with doesn't float at the top of the swill, he sits hovering below the surface like a turd in a bog. He needs to be swilled out with a vigorous flush of ruthless intensity otherwise he will remain curled around the u-bend.
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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2020, 20:48:24 pm »

And that's the problem, there is not really a plan B.......we either play the system like we hardly know what we are doing, or we play the same system with a lot more intensity and it gets a result.

People can't expect the likes of Adams and Holmes to play well in this setup, its completely different to the Wilder set up and the players are not allowed to play with the same freedom, therefore creativity takes a back seat. Last season we had the players who could play "The Curle way", this season we haven't.

Last season his recruitment was pretty good, this season it has been anything but.
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2020, 22:12:18 pm »

Some - as in supporters. On here and Twitter etc.

By the way, I thought you warmed to Keith Curle during last season?



Fair response in regards to the first point.

In ref to the second, I did meet with him before the play offs and did say that I was surprised at his personality as it was far different to that of his interviews and also playing style. He also deserved credit for motivating the squad to the two performances in June. No question there.

But like Ragdoll, I'd have given him a rolling contract. I think he did deserve a go at League 1 but not a 2 year deal, purely because of the expenses if it failed. Sadly for me, it has failed. He made a massive thing about Monday not mattering as focus was on the league, and then masterminded another terrible performance today.

I am worried that Kelvin doesn't care enough to make a change which probably will cost the club League 1 status. The only way I can possibly see Keith turning it round is by stopping his stubbornness and trying 4 at the back. I just can't see him doing it.
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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2020, 22:26:28 pm »

So is this a guy with a league two budget trying to operate in league one?

Or is this a guy with a league one budget failing in league one?

If itís the former, he stays. If itís the latter he goes. KT will know the answer. And will act accordingly.....
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2020, 22:34:01 pm »

So is this a guy with a league two budget trying to operate in league one?

Or is this a guy with a league one budget failing in league one?

If itís the former, he stays. If itís the latter he goes. KT will know the answer. And will act accordingly.....

Interesting way of looking at it.....my guess would be that its probably a bit of both!

I'm sure we aren't the only team who cut their budget in the summer, and ours will surely be higher than the likes of Accrington, Crewe, Burton, Wimbledon, Rochdale.....but lower of course than the likes of Sunderland, Portsmouth, Hull, Ipswich and dare I say Peterborough.

All we were told was that it is a "competitive" budget.......when are we going to start being competitive?
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2020, 22:37:09 pm »

So the strategy continues to be if thereís a problem throw money at it until itís not a problem? Hands up who remembers our financial splurge following the influx of Chinese investment? Hands up again if you can recall the managerial revolving doors post Wilder? How did that go? Yet if I understand it correctly the plan is more of the same whilst we are being financially hammered? FFS get a grip, pull the cotton wool out from between your ears and think about this logically will you? No offence.
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