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« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2020, 12:26:03 pm »

Similar comments so often.
Where would everyone like the Cobblers to be at the end of the season?  I would be happy to see them survive and regroup for another season in Div 1.  If that happens then there has been success.  It is rare for teams to get promoted every year.
This division is hard and there are some shrewd players, who know the game.
You could argue that some of them should be recruited to play for the Cobblers.  With this virus knocking around, how many of you are actively planning to move around the country after a job?
Players are people and I'm sure many are looking as how the virus goes before committing to moving sticks.

Realistically I think most fans would be happy with survival in League 1, trouble is I can't see it happening under KC. Re the players moving around the country, it's rare that any "senior" players, with wives and kids, that we sign move to the area. Northampton is drivable from most of the urban area's of the country in 2 hours and a 2 year contract doesn't justify moving. That's why KC lives in Sheffield.
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« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2020, 13:26:56 pm »

If KT pulls the trigger I agree that based on KTs previous track record Calderwood is
 his likely choice , the only thing decent to come out of yesterdays game was the post match interview of Sheehan, another possible managerial option?
It's funny you should say that Andy but I had the exact same thought watching that interview last night.

Impressive individual with real leadership qualities, not something I could say about many of our recent signings!
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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2020, 13:33:28 pm »

We sacked Page and replaced him with Edinburgh, how did that work out?
We sacked Edinburgh and replaced him with JFH, how did that work out?
We sacked JFH and replaced him with Austin, how did that work out?
We sacked Austin and replaced him with KC, now a lot of you want him out so if you got your wish why do you think the outcome would be any different?. It would just be a matter of time before you wanted the next imcumbant out.


Spot on.
 
I have seen people mention Colin Calderwood again, he has only recently become assistant at Blackpool so doubtful I would say.
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« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2020, 13:54:34 pm »

Agree he needs to go. Hes useless.
Should have gone after the Boro game.
Wigan and Rovers manager both sacked their Managers so expect a bounce from them. Swindon signed a new Manager
We'll be bottom in a few weeks if hes still
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« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2020, 14:03:26 pm »

We sacked Page and replaced him with Edinburgh, how did that work out?
We sacked Edinburgh and replaced him with JFH, how did that work out?
We sacked JFH and replaced him with Austin, how did that work out?
We sacked Austin and replaced him with KC, now a lot of you want him out so if you got your wish why do you think the outcome would be any different?. It would just be a matter of time before you wanted the next imcumbant out.

So with your logic Page would be still here, you really do talk utter garbage, I bet you haven’t got a friend in the world have you?
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« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2020, 14:32:43 pm »

So with your logic Page would be still here, you really do talk utter garbage, I bet you haven’t got a friend in the world have you?

 Grin WSOAP has plenty judging by those who sit in his row! I too wished Page out after the Bristol game but the point is that the change was not an overall success. Certainly not still here ! As a fan he is a good one and it is sad to see two worthwhile fans with personal views at  loggerheads over a difficult situation Cool . Please go easy on KT and stay alert!
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« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2020, 14:59:09 pm »

So with your logic Page would be still here, you really do talk utter garbage, I bet you haven’t got a friend in the world have you?

What would be so terrible about that? Page was sacked in January after we were 16th in League One and I doubt we've got to such dizzy heights since, so late in the season. Where is he now? Caretaker manager of the Wales senior team after impressing at Nottingham Forest and the Wales U21 team.
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« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2020, 15:07:15 pm »

I wished Page gone after the debacle of the Eastleigh friendly, you could see we were go8ng to be crap before the season started
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« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2020, 15:56:16 pm »

I wished Page gone after the debacle of the Eastleigh friendly, you could see we were go8ng to be crap before the season started

Going unbeaten for the first seven games of the season must have confirmed that for you.
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« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2020, 16:05:18 pm »

Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.
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« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2020, 16:17:45 pm »

Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

You've just chosen specific runs of games to highlight a run of poor form. All managers have these sort of records at some point in the career. You could easily take another marker to make the form much better
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« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2020, 16:20:07 pm »

Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

The missing piece of context? Only one on that list had just got the club promoted.
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« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2020, 16:21:14 pm »

Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

I don't get this. Why not the same number of games for each manager at least?
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« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2020, 16:24:01 pm »

I'm not in the Curle Out brigade but am concerned about these performances. We knew League One would be tough, it always is for us but we look a shadow of the side from last season and I'm not just referring to those two play-off games. KC would drill his team to be strong in the tackle, strong at set pieces, quick to close down, play as a team and get the ball in the box, but at the moment we look weak all over the pitch, little creativity, scared to tackle, like a bunch of strangers pulled together for a game. its unlike a KC team. he needs to find a regular starting XI and style and stick with it. There's time to turn it around.
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« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2020, 16:54:25 pm »

Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

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« Reply #75 on: November 15, 2020, 17:13:37 pm »

Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

I think there some important differences here.

1. Curle achieved a promotion (however fortuitously). You could make the case that he over-performed and surpassed expectations last year and that lots of other managers would have taken us longer to get us up.

2. Curle's development of Goode and the FA Cup run earned the club some decent money last year.

3. The pandemic will mean that KT will be even more desperate than usual to save money. Sacking Curle and bringing in a replacement would be expensive.

Don't get me wrong: I hate the style of football and I'm starting to seriously doubt whether Curle has the capacity to change it. I just can't see KT pulling the trigger unless we're probably mired in relegation trouble after Christmas.






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« Reply #76 on: November 15, 2020, 18:01:16 pm »

I don't get this. Why not the same number of games for each manager at least?

Sure why not. Last 10 for each.

Page. 2 draws and 8 defeats.
JE. 3 draws and 7 defeats.
JFH. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
DA. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
KC. 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 defeats.

Case for sacking is strengthened as a result, good call Sad Old Git  Grin
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« Reply #77 on: November 15, 2020, 18:35:14 pm »

Sure why not. Last 10 for each.

Page. 2 draws and 8 defeats.
JE. 3 draws and 7 defeats.
JFH. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
DA. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
KC. 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 defeats.

Case for sacking is strengthened as a result, good call Sad Old Git  Grin


He's won more than all the others  Wink
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« Reply #78 on: November 15, 2020, 18:37:18 pm »

Sure why not. Last 10 for each.

Page. 2 draws and 8 defeats.
JE. 3 draws and 7 defeats.
JFH. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
DA. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
KC. 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 defeats.

Case for sacking is strengthened as a result, good call Sad Old Git  Grin


Ok. So that tells us he has twice as many wins as his nearest rival. It tells us he doesn't do draws (maybe because of the exciting end to end attacking football he supports!) and that he is a loser but we know that full well!

I hate stats for this very reason. They can be manipulated and are only factual 53% of the time.

I have a better answer. For some strange reason a lot of folk on here are concerned about the cost. No idea why cos it ain't our money, the club is already in huge debt, the epl are happy to bail us out if it comes to the crunch and even if we went pop we would rise again. However to assuage this concern, how about giving him a written warning? We could then get shot at Christmas when we will certainly be in the same boat. Lubbly jubbly.
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« Reply #79 on: November 15, 2020, 18:42:17 pm »

We have been in a financial pickle ever since the Cardoza fiasco and this has not stopped KT from sacking and having to pay off 4 managers in that period.Whilst I accept the Covid situation makes things more difficult for KT I don't think he would hold back on giving Curle the chop if he felt we were likely to get relegated under his tenure.
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