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« Reply #340 on: December 13, 2020, 20:13:02 pm »

Just so this doesn't get derailed, this is why he should go. Form has been awful all year.
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« Reply #341 on: December 13, 2020, 20:37:18 pm »

As SOG points out Nene Park cost £30M and we had a solid fan base of 15,000 in the mid 60's when the population of Northampton was only half of what it is today. Do you not think, if we were in the Championship and with the capacity we couldn't pull in 25,000? Northampton is bigger than Portsmouth, nearly twice the size of Norwich, Ipswich and Blackburn and nearly 3 times the size of Burnley
No I dont. I dont care about comparisons. They have a comunity sense, that we do not. I rarely see anybody walking around with a claret shirt on. There is no pride in this town, just apathy. And dont start on about Wembley attendances. How many of the glory hunters came back? We are what we are.
And by the way, "if we were in the championship" wont apply for a long time.
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« Reply #342 on: December 13, 2020, 20:58:30 pm »

Without being argumentative Dan I return to the same thing, change often results in a step backwards rather than forwards. To that end if it were me I would at least have clear indicators of what constitutes acceptable performance? For example, in your eyes what would equate to success in what time frame? Alternatively what would constitute failure, again in what time frame? Who in particular would you bring into the club as a replacement and how have they performed previously in comparison to the parameters you have set? This all might be a bit tedious, but as a club owner if you at least have some clear direction in your decision making you are less likely to suffer the very real financial impact, turmoil and significant consequences as a result of poor judgment? If we are honest and applied some reasonable measures to all this, I think anyone would be hard pushed to come up with a convincing case to dismiss Curle short of subjective opinion at best? For me that’s nowhere near worth the risk and cost?

Should have gone for Paul Tisdale..... took over at Bristol Rovers and has won 4 in 7, they are now above us. From those 7 games he has overseen a 6-0 win over Darlington in the FA Cup, a 4-2 win at AFC Wimbledon in the league, and a 3-0 win yesterday over Plymouth. Hardly a backwards step?
Lee Johnson? Two wins from 3 for Sunderland including a 4-0 win at Lincoln yesterday.
Steve Cotterill? One defeat in 5 since taking over at Shrewsbury and a 1-0 win at leaders Hull City yesterday?

John Sheridan is the only one who hasn't seen an upturn in form yet, not recorded a victory at Swindon since taking over.

Still, three out of four ain't bad!  Grin

All those three are in our division, and all are performing better than those whom they replaced.
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« Reply #343 on: December 13, 2020, 21:05:15 pm »

Should have gone for Paul Tisdale..... took over at Bristol Rovers and has won 4 in 7, they are now above us. From those 7 games he has overseen a 6-0 win over Darlington in the FA Cup, a 4-2 win at AFC Wimbledon in the league, and a 3-0 win yesterday over Plymouth. Hardly a backwards step?
Lee Johnson? Two wins from 3 for Sunderland including a 4-0 win at Lincoln yesterday.
Steve Cotterill? One defeat in 5 since taking over at Shrewsbury and a 1-0 win at leaders Hull City yesterday?

John Sheridan is the only one who hasn't seen an upturn in form yet, not recorded a victory at Swindon since taking over.

Still, three out of four ain't bad!  Grin

All those three are in our division, and all are performing better than those whom they replaced.
Valid but I think a longer term view over a season would perhaps be a better indication. Also if we had a figure with regards to our budget and how that positions us with the rest of the division compared to our league position would be a pretty fair indicator?
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« Reply #344 on: December 13, 2020, 21:12:06 pm »

Valid but I think a longer term view over a season would perhaps be a better indication. Also if we had a figure with regards to our budget and how that positions us with the rest of the division compared to our league position would be a pretty fair indicator?

Of course, many clubs experience that new manager "bounce".... keeping it going is the hard thing!

Back to your post itself, acceptable performance for me would be an improvement in results (not that much, I don't think we'll win every game!) but an improvement in the style of play and the tactics used. For me, these are more important than the results we have been getting! I personally don't think the results would be worse if we had a new man at the helm.
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« Reply #345 on: December 13, 2020, 22:04:44 pm »

Should have gone for Paul Tisdale..... took over at Bristol Rovers and has won 4 in 7, they are now above us. From those 7 games he has overseen a 6-0 win over Darlington in the FA Cup, a 4-2 win at AFC Wimbledon in the league, and a 3-0 win yesterday over Plymouth. Hardly a backwards step?
Lee Johnson? Two wins from 3 for Sunderland including a 4-0 win at Lincoln yesterday.
Steve Cotterill? One defeat in 5 since taking over at Shrewsbury and a 1-0 win at leaders Hull City yesterday?

John Sheridan is the only one who hasn't seen an upturn in form yet, not recorded a victory at Swindon since taking over.

Still, three out of four ain't bad!  Grin

All those three are in our division, and all are performing better than those whom they replaced.

Tisdale sacked Nov '19 after poor start to 19/20 season when MK gained 1 point out of possible 27. Impressive prior to MK (whom he steered to Promotion)

Lee Johnstone who endured a problematic spell with Bristol City but appeared to do well but unpopular with fans and suffered death threats. Sacked by City after a run of 4 defeats.

Steve Cotteril
draw against Accrington Stanley 
draw against Charlton
Loss against Lincoln
win against Hull

Apart from Cotterill all maybe enjoying the infamous new Manager bounce! Cotterill has an excellent pedigree in Managing Higher Level Clubs. Lee J appears to suffer from some unpopularity with fans so probably best avoided!
Tisdale may well have been a choice if there was a vacancy at NTFC! For me Cotterill but not overly impressed.

What might be interesting is the win ratio etc of these guys.

Incidentally, I do not at the moment support the sacking of KC and am very much in line with Mellys thinking. I happen to believe KC is the man to keep us in L1; dire displays or otherwise. What happens in future seasons is open to question, that is on style etc and of course ambition. I wish KC and the team all the best at Oxford.

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« Reply #346 on: December 13, 2020, 22:38:25 pm »

No I dont. I dont care about comparisons. They have a comunity sense, that we do not. I rarely see anybody walking around with a claret shirt on. There is no pride in this town, just apathy. And dont start on about Wembley attendances. How many of the glory hunters came back? We are what we are.
And by the way, "if we were in the championship" wont apply for a long time.
The very reason there are not many Claret shirts around town is because, apart from odd years, we are unsuccessful. If you had walked around Brighton 20 years ago you wouldn't have seen too many Albion shirts the year they just avoided relegation to the Conference and now look where they are. The "Glory Hunters" didn't come back because we've had no glory! I don't buy this "No pride" & "apathy" in the town, we only need something to be proud of !
      "If we were in the Championship" could apply, how many Bournemouth fans would have believed they would be playing in the Premiership back in 2008 when they were bottom of League 2. Unexpected things happen in Football
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« Reply #347 on: December 13, 2020, 22:41:45 pm »

Of course, many clubs experience that new manager "bounce".... keeping it going is the hard thing!

Back to your post itself, acceptable performance for me would be an improvement in results (not that much, I don't think we'll win every game!) but an improvement in the style of play and the tactics used. For me, these are more important than the results we have been getting! I personally don't think the results would be worse if we had a new man at the helm.
Must be honest GPC, there is no getting around the fact that style and manner of performance is very important. Whilst I still believe the factors I have stated are crucial this issue is a significant negative against KC currently in my opinion?
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« Reply #348 on: December 13, 2020, 22:52:48 pm »

Curle out this week...
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« Reply #349 on: December 14, 2020, 06:20:32 am »

Results are the priority BUT with KC's lack of style of play compounded by poor resulkts is not acceptable!
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« Reply #350 on: December 14, 2020, 09:00:50 am »

Having just watched the "highlights" of the Crewe game it would appear that we were absolute dross. Curle must be on borrowed time. As many have said, it's not just about results, the style of football is about as basic as it gets. We will go down with him at the helm.
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« Reply #351 on: December 14, 2020, 09:13:59 am »

Excellent summary from James Hennegan in the Chron this AM, think he has captured most fans thoughts at the moment
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« Reply #352 on: December 14, 2020, 09:36:22 am »

The style (defensive and negative) is just about ok if it delivers results, but it isn't. We have players on the pitch and the bench who can take a game to the opposition but he doesn't let them. I know Holmes is coming back from a long term injury and Adams has been plagued a bit but they're not going to get their sharpness back having to defend in the last quarter of the pitch.
The style of football and the time wasting after 25 mins is starting to make me feel embarrassed to be a fan of this club.
We need to improve the squad there is no doubt, but we're not going to attract the players we need playing that sort of football. Players are going to go to Fleetwood (as Curle admitted), Oxford, Crewe.
Staying up for me was and still is the mark of a good season. I'm struggling to see that (I think it will be close either way) but cannot see a positive future next season or after with Curle. He needs to change quick or I think he will be changed.
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« Reply #353 on: December 14, 2020, 10:02:41 am »

I believe that Holmes and Adams will have a combined influence on how we play in the future after Holmes has demonstrated his confidence to go public on his concerns.
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« Reply #354 on: December 14, 2020, 10:39:54 am »

I believe that Holmes and Adams will have a combined influence on how we play in the future after Holmes has demonstrated his confidence to go public on his concerns.

I wonder how Holmes comments sit with Curle? It’s almost as if he’s ‘gone rogue’ with him coming out with those views. There was an article last week about him taking the reins off....
he gives a good interview so the media are going to keep going back to him now. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Also noticed that despite Holmes scoring from Hoskins cross on Saturday, Ricky ran past Sam without seemingly an acknowledgement for the cross, and ran to meet up and celebrate with Adams, he who took the quick free kick.
Two senior pros, two good mates and seemingly two growing influences within the squad.
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« Reply #355 on: December 14, 2020, 11:05:42 am »

I wonder how Holmes comments sit with Curle? It’s almost as if he’s ‘gone rogue’ with him coming out with those views. There was an article last week about him taking the reins off....
he gives a good interview so the media are going to keep going back to him now. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Also noticed that despite Holmes scoring from Hoskins cross on Saturday, Ricky ran past Sam without seemingly an acknowledgement for the cross, and ran to meet up and celebrate with Adams, he who took the quick free kick.
Two senior pros, two good mates and seemingly two growing influences within the squad.
He spoke the truth and it was refreshing to hear. Pure frustration from a player that had just been humiliated and battered in his words by Crewe! He made the point that we played as if we were facing Arsenal (of old) not Crewe. The style of football is appalling and he knows it.
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« Reply #356 on: December 14, 2020, 11:42:55 am »

The very reason there are not many Claret shirts around town is because, apart from odd years, we are unsuccessful. If you had walked around Brighton 20 years ago you wouldn't have seen too many Albion shirts the year they just avoided relegation to the Conference and now look where they are. The "Glory Hunters" didn't come back because we've had no glory! I don't buy this "No pride" & "apathy" in the town, we only need something to be proud of !
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« Reply #357 on: December 14, 2020, 12:40:20 pm »

I wonder how Holmes comments sit with Curle? It’s almost as if he’s ‘gone rogue’ with him coming out with those views. There was an article last week about him taking the reins off....
he gives a good interview so the media are going to keep going back to him now. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Also noticed that despite Holmes scoring from Hoskins cross on Saturday, Ricky ran past Sam without seemingly an acknowledgement for the cross, and ran to meet up and celebrate with Adams, he who took the quick free kick.
Two senior pros, two good mates and seemingly two growing influences within the squad.

You read exactly what I was intimating.  Wink
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« Reply #358 on: December 14, 2020, 13:35:50 pm »

I wonder how Holmes comments sit with Curle? It’s almost as if he’s ‘gone rogue’ with him coming out with those views. There was an article last week about him taking the reins off....
he gives a good interview so the media are going to keep going back to him now. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Also noticed that despite Holmes scoring from Hoskins cross on Saturday, Ricky ran past Sam without seemingly an acknowledgement for the cross, and ran to meet up and celebrate with Adams, he who took the quick free kick.
Two senior pros, two good mates and seemingly two growing influences within the squad.

Once again you don't tell the whole story. Ricky also said "the manager can't kick every ball for us and the players need to start taking some responsibility on the pitch" or words very similar. Therefore suggesting the players are not listening to the game plan set out.
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« Reply #359 on: December 14, 2020, 13:39:28 pm »

You read exactly what I was intimating.  Wink
You dont think KC will see Holmes honesty in front of the press (still haven't heard it) as a 'mistake' in the same way he did Mitchells kick which gave possession back to the opposition leading to a goal and drop him tomorrow?
He also took both Holmes and Adam's off on 60 mins on Saturday, how much of that was tactical and how much of that was down to what was spoken at halftime?
I seruously hope not but I wouldn't be surprised if Curle backed himself over Holmes (and to a lesser extent Adams) and starts by dropping him tomorrow.
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