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Sensible planning Sing, a rare commodity on here
I spent many years working for the top telcos. One day I decided I had had enough of the office politics and the general bs that goes with it, idiots on the board of directors with no vision of the future and I walked out. Best thing I ever did. I loved it when one of my predictions I gave to the board came true and relegated a major player down to the minor leagues. |
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The difference between company performances and football clubs is that companies don't compete literally head on with each other. A company can quietly be successful gaining sales and everything is ticketty boo.
The league structure means clubs at the lower end are deemed to be failures no matter how good they are. Chris Wilder, once the golden boy of English no-nonsense mangers is apparently performing appallingly this season. How has he changed? The players are practically identical to last season's successful campaign and he's the same manger as he's always been. If Sheffield have any sense they will hang on to Wilder and even if they get relegated they will have a good chance of bouncing thanks to a settled playing staff. It's the same with Burnley, hang onto Dyche, meaning they keep a settled side and they will keep punching above their weight.
It's not the manager but the stability. The myth of the new manager bounce has been disproved on so many surveys it's depressing how ignorant people still trot it out.
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Shrewsbury. Bristol Rovers. There's two straight away to counteract that. Both are having big improvements which are currently having a detrimental effect to us.
Our clubs biggest problem is the fact that apathy is so rife among supporters and that there are a good chunk who are happy to accept zero ambition year after year. I've been guilty of that over the years myself. We are the ones who will outstay every player/ manager/ owner and invest year after year. We are entitled to want better. Maybe Shoey, Beds Cobbler etc are the wise ones among us.
As a club, we have forgiven our manager for piss poor form for too long and we as fans deserve better. We've played 28 league games since we were done by Derby in Feb (over half a season). 9 wins, 3 draws and 16 defeats.
We definitely can compete with teams in this league IF our flair players are allowed to play their natural games. IF KC lets them do this, he may turn things around. IF he doesn't, like all the previous bad appointments, he will go into the management wilderness.
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Others, who watched it, were saying that the airborne method of defence (the hoof ball) didn't allow the midfield to have an influence?
Would suggest that some on here whose sole aim is to get rid of Curle and perhaps even KT as well; so their comments may well be biased. You may be getting a misleading opinion from the anti - Curle clique? To say the Midfield lost any influence on the game due to hoof tactics is I feel not totally correct. Simply put the midfield had the opportunity to exert some influence on the game even during that turgid second half. There were three of them perhaps four with Lines who was totally anonymous - true hoof ball had an influence but all three players lacked drive, tenacity, leadership and basic football skills. They simply disappeared from the game and more so when Holmes was withdrawn. Holmes is the one player who we depend on to get us moving but in truth, he was ineffective too. Curle was quite right to criticise the team effort including the midfield. I have watched the Cobblers for many years and have never known such protracted effort to remove a Manager purely based on a malevolent opinion from a few on here. As pointed out by at least three decent posters, pursuit of this suspect opinion will be disastrous and self-repeating. Lord help us if we have another bad day tomorrow. |
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The difference between company performances and football clubs is that companies don't compete literally head on with each other. A company can quietly be successful gaining sales and everything is ticketty boo.
The league structure means clubs at the lower end are deemed to be failures no matter how good they are. Chris Wilder, once the golden boy of English no-nonsense mangers is apparently performing appallingly this season. How has he changed? The players are practically identical to last season's successful campaign and he's the same manger as he's always been. If Sheffield have any sense they will hang on to Wilder and even if they get relegated they will have a good chance of bouncing thanks to a settled playing staff. It's the same with Burnley, hang onto Dyche, meaning they keep a settled side and they will keep punching above their weight.
It's not the manager but the stability. The myth of the new manager bounce has been disproved on so many surveys it's depressing how ignorant people still trot it out.
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Shrewsbury. Bristol Rovers. There's two straight away to counteract that. Both are having big improvements which are currently having a detrimental effect to us.
Our clubs biggest problem is the fact that apathy is so rife among supporters and that there are a good chunk who are happy to accept zero ambition year after year. I've been guilty of that over the years myself. We are the ones who will outstay every player/ manager/ owner and invest year after year. We are entitled to want better. Maybe Shoey, Beds Cobbler etc are the wise ones among us.
As a club, we have forgiven our manager for **** poor form for too long and we as fans deserve better. We've played 28 league games since we were done by Derby in Feb (over half a season). 9 wins, 3 draws and 16 defeats.
We definitely can compete with teams in this league IF our flair players are allowed to play their natural games. IF KC lets them do this, he may turn things around. IF he doesn't, like all the previous bad appointments, he will go into the management wilderness.
Dan you say flair players please advise who they are. Can possibly think of one even two but not sure if flair is a way I would describe them! |
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I don't know why anyone on here is expecting us to do any better than we currently are. We've got a reasonable League 2 squad and this is the best we can expect.
Bower is a rich man but he's worked hard for his money and there's no reason he should toss it all away at a club he has no infinity for without any prospect of a return. Sacking Curle and appointing another manger with similar credentials would waste money that could be spent on players to help get us to mid table safety.
Some of you have really got to get this cult of manager out of your heads. They are all coaches that work within the budgets they have and follow the same pretty tough FA coaching courses they've all studied in order to get the badges to do the job. It's football, not rocket science or voodoo. If Wayne Rooney can do it at Championship level then who can't?
We've had nine managers in as many years, let's try sticking with a manager through the good and not so good times, it can't be any worse than the current policy.
that’s a fair and considered argument . The players signed for Curle and he should be able to get the best from them . My issue with that is simply that Curle is a dinosaur and he is not getting a tune from the players this season . We will go down under him , no doubt . Do we stick or twist ? My view is that we twist under a manager from within with modern thinking . Nothing is worst than what we are currently witnessing |
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Only softheads want change of manager.
Come big boys, I put in £200,000. Each of you softheads do the same. We buy NTFC. We sack Mr.Curle. Howmuch money we have after none of you put money where mouth is?
Softheads write wels-s***.
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I don't know why anyone on here is expecting us to do any better than we currently are. We've got a reasonable League 2 squad and this is the best we can expect.
Bower is a rich man but he's worked hard for his money and there's no reason he should toss it all away at a club he has no infinity for without any prospect of a return. Sacking Curle and appointing another manger with similar credentials would waste money that could be spent on players to help get us to mid table safety.
Some of you have really got to get this cult of manager out of your heads. They are all coaches that work within the budgets they have and follow the same pretty tough FA coaching courses they've all studied in order to get the badges to do the job. It's football, not rocket science or voodoo. If Wayne Rooney can do it at Championship level then who can't?
We've had nine managers in as many years, let's try sticking with a manager through the good and not so good times, it can't be any worse than the current policy.
You mention Bower as if he’s doing us a favour, no one forced him to buy a football club, if he ran any non football business like he does us the creditors would have pulled the plug, he chose to invest and he has a duty of care to run it as best he can, which can be prudent, but also when it’s not performing you have to make difficult decisions. Either back Curle in the transfer window or bring someone else in who has the contacts and wherefore all to keep us up. None of those options are free but don’t forget KT and DB chose to buy NTFC. |
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I can appreciate the arguments in favour of both financial and managerial stability but what worries me is that as long as our current manager is in charge we will condemned to watch the same garbage and I am somehow doubtful that throwing a bit of cash around in the transfer window will have any affect on the style of play.
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This is the same in real life. If a manager of any description is not given the people required to meet their targets they will fail. So we are back to the sugar daddy scenario.
How do you explain Wycombe, Wimbledon, Sheffield United etc |
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How do you explain Wycombe, Wimbledon, Sheffield United etc
Their managers have obviously been able to sign the talent they wanted, which on the surface appears not to be the case with KC. |
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This is the same in real life. If a manager of any description is not given the people required to meet their targets they will fail. So we are back to the sugar daddy scenario.
And if they are given the budget to recruit the right people but fail to do so...? |
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Their managers have obviously been able to sign the talent they wanted, which on the surface appears not to be the case with KC.
Please enlighten us, how does this appear to be the case? |
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Please enlighten us, how does this appear to be the case?
By KC saying on a number of occasions that he couldn’t sign his first choice targets. When you have to offer them a low weekly wage with incentives is it any wonder. No wonder morale is low...... They must be on low wages and getting no bonuses to top it up Whoever thought this policy up has made a major mistake Rather than trotting out the same questions week after week maybe Tim Oglethorpe can actually grow a pair and ask if it was Keith’s idea or whether he had his hands tied behind his back by KT. That would actually be something worth knowing the answer too. |
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By KC saying on a number of occasions that he couldn’t sign his first choice targets.
When you have to offer them a low weekly wage with incentives is it any wonder.
No wonder morale is low......
They must be on low wages and getting no bonuses to top it up
Whoever thought this policy up has made a major mistake
Rather than trotting out the same questions week after week maybe Tim Oglethorpe can actually grow a pair and ask if it was Keith’s idea or whether he had his hands tied behind his back by KT.
That would actually be something worth knowing the answer too.
I’m not sure if I’m I’m the only one, but I can’t remember him saying this on a number of occasions. Do you have a link? |
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I’m not sure if I’m I’m the only one, but I can’t remember him saying this on a number of occasions.
Do you have a link?
Bollox to your link He’s said it a number of times Our squad is league two standard We cannot afford to compete in league one under the current board The redevelopment is some sort of unfunny joke The team is the only thing less funny. Another year goes by Tick tock |
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He did say we couldn't/wouldn't pay Oliver what Gillingham could, and he did say that Fleetwood picked up a couple of players that we were interested in.....
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He did say we couldn't/wouldn't pay Oliver what Gillingham could, and he did say that Fleetwood picked up a couple of players that we were interested in.....
He did say he’d missed out on his first choice targets. Offer peanuts Miss out |
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Bollox to your link
He’s said it a number of times
Our squad is league two standard
We cannot afford to compete in league one under the current board
The redevelopment is some sort of unfunny joke
The team is the only thing less funny.
Another year goes by
Tick tock
Can’t recall him ever saying that. Given the lack of examples it sounds like you can’t either? |
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