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« Reply #520 on: February 26, 2021, 12:44:46 pm »

There was a word used in another post Evers, expectation, as an individual about to embark on a football management career you need to manage your expectations? It is a ruthless and brutal industry, and before you embark on it as a career you must be completely realistic and accepting of the conditions of employment? One thing has intrigued me regarding this subject. Many high profile sporting figures have suffered with mental health issues as a result of the huge pressures they are under? Despite this I am not aware of any managers who have suffered with the same issues? Given the aforementioned ruthless and brutal nature of the industry and the enormous pressure managers are under I have no idea why? Could it be that they are generally more mature and are totally aware of the conditions they are to face? One thing I do know, to answer your question I would feel devastated. I simply do not have the mental fortitude to deal with the continual day to day pressures of football management and it is beyond me how people cope?

The sort of people who want to be football team managers tend to be ultra competitive personalities who thrive on competition. They love the day to day aggro. Don't forget they tend to have their own team around them for moral support. Why do you think the (presumably very well off) likes of Allardyce, Pulis, Warnock, Hodgson, McCarthy etc find it impossible to let go.

If you think football management is tough what about the poor old referees ?

Don't a substantial proportion of those mental health issues arise when those person's skills fade and they have nothing/little to replace them with ?
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« Reply #521 on: February 26, 2021, 13:41:09 pm »

I think he may have kept it to himself.
Then how on Earth would you know???
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« Reply #522 on: February 26, 2021, 14:01:25 pm »

Still amazed by the complete lack of possible candidates suggested.
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« Reply #523 on: February 26, 2021, 14:11:40 pm »

There was a word used in another post Evers, expectation, as an individual about to embark on a football management career you need to manage your expectations? It is a ruthless and brutal industry, and before you embark on it as a career you must be completely realistic and accepting of the conditions of employment? One thing has intrigued me regarding this subject. Many high profile sporting figures have suffered with mental health issues as a result of the huge pressures they are under? Despite this I am not aware of any managers who have suffered with the same issues? Given the aforementioned ruthless and brutal nature of the industry and the enormous pressure managers are under I have no idea why? Could it be that they are generally more mature and are totally aware of the conditions they are to face? One thing I do know, to answer your question I would feel devastated. I simply do not have the mental fortitude to deal with the continual day to day pressures of football management and it is beyond me how people cope?

Gary Speed springs to mind. He was a guest on Football Focus the day before he died. It still haunts me, because the programme finished and I said to my missus about there being something wrong with Gary Speed. His body language and how uncomfortable he seemed, it was just off. Tragic waste of a young life.
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« Reply #524 on: February 26, 2021, 14:19:02 pm »

Still amazed by the complete lack of possible candidates suggested.

Here goes then:

Sol Campbell, Danny Cowley, Paul Tisdale, Stephen Robinson, Gary Caldwell, John Eustace and others. Plus up and coming non-league managers - Matt Gray, Kevin Wilkin, David Oldfield, Danny Searle.

Would you like anymore?  Grin



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« Reply #525 on: February 26, 2021, 14:30:09 pm »

Ipswich lining up a move for Paul Cook if their takeover goes through apparently. Don’t think he was ever a realistic target anyway though.
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« Reply #526 on: February 26, 2021, 14:31:41 pm »

Here goes then:

Sol Campbell, Danny Cowley, Paul Tisdale, Stephen Robinson, Gary Caldwell, John Eustace and others. Plus up and coming non-league managers - Matt Gray, Kevin Wilkin, David Oldfield, Danny Searle.

Would you like anymore?  Grin





How many of those do you think would go down well with supporters?
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« Reply #527 on: February 26, 2021, 14:33:18 pm »

Ipswich lining up a move for Paul Cook if their takeover goes through apparently. Don’t think he was ever a realistic target anyway though.

He was not
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« Reply #528 on: February 26, 2021, 14:34:12 pm »

Here goes then:

Sol Campbell, Danny Cowley, Paul Tisdale, Stephen Robinson, Gary Caldwell, John Eustace and others. Plus up and coming non-league managers - Matt Gray, Kevin Wilkin, David Oldfield, Danny Searle.

Would you like anymore?  Grin





The only one there I categorically wouldn't want is Sol Campbell, because he's a complete tosser.

Edit: I'd have liked to have used something stronger than "complete tosser" but realised the site would star the word out and someone might think it was a racial epithet. Given his apparent view of our supporters I wouldn't want to add fuel to the fire...
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« Reply #529 on: February 26, 2021, 14:37:37 pm »

The only one there I categorically wouldn't want is Sol Campbell, because he's a complete tosser.

Agree.
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« Reply #530 on: February 26, 2021, 14:45:40 pm »

The only one there I categorically wouldn't want is Sol Campbell, because he's a complete tosser.

Edit: I'd have liked to have used something stronger than "complete tosser" but realised the site would star the word out and someone might think it was a racial epithet. Given his apparent view of our supporters I wouldn't want to add fuel to the fire...
I find c**t covers all bases!
Be careful though, not only does Sol have the greatest mind in football, he is a POC...and might have a mortgage too!  Wink
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« Reply #531 on: February 26, 2021, 14:48:23 pm »

How many of those do you think would go down well with supporters?

I don't know to answer your question. I wouldn't mind Cowley, Tisdale was sought after when at Exeter but has gone pear shaped recently. The non league managers would be interesting to see how they get on. A couple of current coaches, Paul Heckingbottom at Sheffield United or John Eustace at QPR could also be an option.
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« Reply #532 on: February 26, 2021, 14:50:48 pm »

The only one there I categorically wouldn't want is Sol Campbell, because he's a complete tosser.

Edit: I'd have liked to have used something stronger than "complete tosser" but realised the site would star the word out and someone might think it was a racial epithet. Given his apparent view of our supporters I wouldn't want to add fuel to the fire...

Had to log on just to agree with this.

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« Reply #533 on: February 26, 2021, 15:34:19 pm »

I find c**t covers all bases!


That was the word I was thinking of, to be fair.  Grin
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« Reply #534 on: February 26, 2021, 15:45:29 pm »

I don't know to answer your question. I wouldn't mind Cowley, Tisdale was sought after when at Exeter but has gone pear shaped recently. The non league managers would be interesting to see how they get on. A couple of current coaches, Paul Heckingbottom at Sheffield United or John Eustace at QPR could also be an option.

Cowley has the issue with style of football, like you say with Tisdale I was a fan but his last couple a jobs have been very poor, Caldwell’s whole managerial career has been awful. While it’s not necessarily something I agree with but any non league manager is always has ‘no league experience’ shoved in their faces, but they’ve got to get it somewhere, with the same being said about current coaches like Eustace.
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« Reply #535 on: February 26, 2021, 16:36:48 pm »

How many of those do you think would go down well with supporters?

I’m not sure that’s as important as people make out. Wilder wasn’t an overly popular appointment at the time. There are a couple of potential appointments that would probably ruffle the feathers of the fan base, but generally I think most people would get behind whoever is appointed.
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« Reply #536 on: February 26, 2021, 16:37:02 pm »

The only one there I categorically wouldn't want is Sol Campbell, because he's a complete tosser.

Edit: I'd have liked to have used something stronger than "complete tosser" but realised the site would star the word out and someone might think it was a racial epithet. Given his apparent view of our supporters I wouldn't want to add fuel to the fire...

I don’t mind Sol at all. Did well for M’field and got the best out of Smith! Not sure how tosser applies to Sol Campbell in relation to M’field.
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« Reply #537 on: February 26, 2021, 16:50:33 pm »

I don’t mind Sol at all. Did well for M’field and got the best out of Smith! Not sure how tosser applies to Sol Campbell in relation to M’field.

Look beneath the headlines, he didn't do a good job at Macclesfield.  Wink
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« Reply #538 on: February 26, 2021, 17:08:25 pm »

Then how on Earth would you know???
Because of someone on our side!
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« Reply #539 on: February 26, 2021, 18:15:05 pm »

about KC's 'personal circumstances'!  - by this I mean wife, family, dependents mortgage etc. Would you wish to be in that situation yourself? Can understand where you are coming on Curle's personal attributes (?) including his much maligned match summaries. If I am going to remember the man; not by his personal failings(for some) but for the way he guided us to safety in L2,the FA Cup, what he did for Charlie Goode, unexpected promotion with two great victories. I just prefer to remember him that way Cool


It's the same with any job. You are meaured on your current performance not past victories. Nobody else is to blame for his sacking but himself. It's the same as a salesman losing his job because he has failed to meet this years targets even though he has met them for the past ten years. Do you not sack him because of his "personal circumstanes"? Failure to perform gets you shown to the door.
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