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Seeing as the penny still hasn't dropped for most, here it is spelled out clearly...
We are a L2 club who occasionally flirt with with the division above but never for very long....
We've hardly ever had more than a pot to pi$$ in....
We've had re-elections, a lucky escape from dropping out the league, bucket collections and a serious fraud amongst our darkest moments. We've had to field youth teams to get through a season....
Apart from one spell in the sun before I was born, we've never been anything other than slightly below to well below average. Carr's side flirted with the play-offs and Atkins almost made it but we blew up both times.
So it always mystifies me where peoples unrealistic (if not unreasonable) expectations come that we could - no should, be aiming to be an established Championship side.
Unless we find the end of a rainbow somewhere it's just not going to happen. To stay up and dare I say, get promoted from L1 the squad needs serious investment. Yes, we would of course benefit from a quality manager but again, you need the dough not just to employ one but to make the kind of promises you'd need to make in order to attract one here.
So basically, it's pot luck, spin the manager merry-go-round, cross your fingers, win the wishbone, whatever.
But none of that will happen under the current leadership which is apathetic to the point non-existence.
Sorry to trash anyones dreams (I do actually dream of us playing in the Championship, in a decent stadium but accept it'll likely never happen in my lifetime) or sound defeatist.
This is just our circle of life. If we do go down, accept it, accept we'll probably luck out and get promoted again in another 5 or 6 years, then do this all over again. We can't control it so why fret over it
One thing (if clutching at positives) is that somehow in my 50 years we haven’t done an Oxford, Luton, Mansfield etc and tasted the non-league. That’s always been more of a threat than reaching the Championship! Grimsby aside we haven’t had a sniff. I always think our brief spells in league one provide ‘insurance’.
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You have a fixation/distorted view of the 'remarkable job' that Sol Campbell did at Macclesfield...the stories behind the headlines were/are: Despite the club struggling to pay player/staff wages, he complained because he couldn't take them on mid and pre-season overseas tours. He also complained because they couldn't afford to stay in hotels prior to matches. His methods in the dressing room got to a stage where he was banned from the dressing room and also from having an active role in training, by the players. The player were selecting the teams to save themselves from relegation, without his input. He wasn't paid his very over inflated wages like the players, because of the financial situation of the club, however he was demanding that the club be closed down because HE was owed £180,000. Irrespective of his allegations about our club, I do not want him near our club.
There's absolutely nothing to suggest any of the above allegations against Sol Campbell are true. He did agree to the club being wound up because he was owed £180,000. He and his assistant Hermann Hreidarsson, were basically working for free which is why they eventually left the club.
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There's absolutely nothing to suggest any of the above allegations against Sol Campbell are true. He did agree to the club being wound up because he was owed £180,000. He and his assistant Hermann Hreidarsson, were basically working for free which is why they eventually left the club.
I didn't say that any of the above was true, but they were the stories around at the time. To be honest, I would personally doubt the 'dressing room stories', but the remainder?
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
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I didn't say that any of the above was true, but they were the stories around at the time. To be honest, I would personally doubt the 'dressing room stories', but the remainder? Not a massive fan of Campbell but if you’re going to rule someone out based on allegations for which you have very little factual evidence that’s unfair. You’ve tried, on more than one occasion, to diminish the job he did at Macclesfield based on stories which you now admit you doubt. You can say he did a good job whilst still saying you wouldn’t want him near the club. The two aren’t mutually exclusive
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Larry
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I didn't say that any of the above was true, but they were the stories around at the time. To be honest, I would personally doubt the 'dressing room stories', but the remainder? There weren't even stories, they were fabricated later. If you don't think they were true why do you post them?
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Seeing as the penny still hasn't dropped for most, here it is spelled out clearly.........
Thanks for introducing some on here to a potted NTFC history. Not totally sure why you wish to paint such a dismal history of events but I notice you avoid any mention of our periodic highlights. For instance the Wilder Championship era, the Liverpool Triumph and other League Cup Wins, even last seasons FA Cup Run no doubt there are others? It is these successes which mask the utter banality of our existence. Yet at a sniff of success we enjoy a few heady moments. Not every supporter (and would say thankfully imo) supports your views on the Cobblers. Compared with some Clubs in L1 and (mostly) in L2 we have enjoyed moments in the sun which they haven't experienced. Whilst your views are your own as you might guess they are not mine. What keeps our support going is an demanding 'hope' that things may get better; not sure I can extract much from your message other than a bleak existence. Perhaps you should lighten up a bit.
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Deepcut Cobbler
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There weren't even stories, they were fabricated later. If you don't think they were true why do you post them?
The 'dressing room issues' were posted on the internet at the time, the remainder were reported in the local/national media. There are a lot of rumours posted that have doubtful origins, if rumours weren't posted, the majority of the subjects on this board would be empty...
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
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RE our failure to consistently play in the Championship, it all depends on your perspective? Given we have never dropped out of the league and looking at those who have there’s an argument to suggest we are punching above our weight?
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Not a real supporter but unelected chair of the Northampton Town Honorary Supporters Club. (Please note: any opinions given may not necessarily be shared by proper supporters. In incidents of conflict the views of real supporters shall take precedence).
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Alfred
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Derek Adams is a name ive heard more than once today
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That’s a completely fair summary.
What I find frustrating, is this constant we are a “sleeping giant” mentality. Nothing, absolutely nothing will change unless a significant investment is realised. The support is so polarised by nothing more than a pipe dream. I don’t lack a vision for the club, nor do I write off the future. But those that talk about community models and fan ownership etc, have not a shred of evidence that can point at a single club that has advance far beyond us in that mould.
So I shall continue in the same practical and realistic vein as I always have. Continue to hope for a miracle, but in the meantime, continue to love the Cobblers.
And if we do make it big will you struggle between Chelsea and the Cobblers?
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Vince Planner
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Derek Adams is a name ive heard more than once today
Coming from you, there must be something in this.
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Air-Dan
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Derek Adams is a name ive heard more than once today
This would be a great appointment in my book, probably the best we could hope for, but surprised we'd be willing to pay the compensation.
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Derek Adams is a name ive heard more than once today
Whereas Colin Calderwoods name has been mentioned on one of the Facebook groups. Adams' name has always featured in the betting odds....he would cost a bit though. Doing well with Morecambe he is still only half way through the 2 1/2 year contract he signed when he took over in November 2019.
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Whereas Colin Calderwoods name has been mentioned on one of the Facebook groups.
Adams' name has always featured in the betting odds....he would cost a bit though. Doing well with Morecambe he is still only half way through the 2 1/2 year contract he signed when he took over in November 2019.
Here is latest betting on WH: no mention of Derek Adams .....yet! Next Northampton Town Manager OddsJon Brady Current Team: Northampton Town Time With Team: 18 days Sol Campbell Previous Team: Southend United Left: 30 Jun 2020 8/1 Matt Gray Current Team: Sutton United Time With Team: 1 year 9 mths 27 days 8/1 Stephen Robinson Previous Team: Motherwell Left: 31 Dec 2020 8/1 Danny Cowley Previous Team: Huddersfield Town Left: 19 Jul 2020 Now I have heard Calderwood name that's a good one from the past! I suppose Cowley would be my choice now! Like Calderwood tho'.
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https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/northampton-townAdams down there at 20/1....about where he has always been. When you look down the list though he is the only current EFL manager in the betting..... barring Gray and Wilkin all the rest are out of work.
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Deepcut Cobbler
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With JB at 2-1 on and the rest at 8-1 bar, just goes to show that they haven't got a clue about anyone coming in, so are protecting themselves on the current incumbent...
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
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Thanks for introducing some on here to a potted NTFC history. Not totally sure why you wish to paint such a dismal history of events but I notice you avoid any mention of our periodic highlights. For instance the Wilder Championship era, the Liverpool Triumph and other League Cup Wins, even last seasons FA Cup Run no doubt there are others? It is these successes which mask the utter banality of our existence. Yet at a sniff of success we enjoy a few heady moments. Not every supporter (and would say thankfully imo) supports your views on the Cobblers. Compared with some Clubs in L1 and (mostly) in L2 we have enjoyed moments in the sun which they haven't experienced. Whilst your views are your own as you might guess they are not mine. What keeps our support going is an demanding 'hope' that things may get better; not sure I can extract much from your message other than a bleak existence. Perhaps you should lighten up a bit.
TBF, most of what I wrote was fact as opposed to view. Of course there have been moments of relative glory. With a history of over 100 years the law of average dictates there will be. My point is they have been few and far between yet these seem to be the rare occurences that a section of this board cling to as a basis for believing we are much better than we really are. Having a different view isn't pessimism, its realism Anyway, not after a protracted row - we can agree to differ
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TBF, most of what I wrote was fact as opposed to view.
Of course there have been moments of relative glory. With a history of over 100 years the law of average dictates there will be. My point is they have been few and far between yet these seem to be the rare occurences that a section of this board cling to as a basis for believing we are much better than we really are.
Having a different view isn't pessimism, its realism
Anyway, not after a protracted row - we can agree to differ
8)No chance whatsoever of a protracted row - I know when the dice are loaded against me
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With JB at 2-1 on and the rest at 8-1 bar, just goes to show that they haven't got a clue about anyone coming in, so are protecting themselves on the current incumbent...
The payout comes after 10 games so if Brady stays and lasts 5 more then he will be considered a "permanent manager" as far as the bookies are concerned....hence the low odds.
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Deepcut Cobbler
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The payout comes after 10 games so if Brady stays and lasts 5 more then he will be considered a "permanent manager" as far as the bookies are concerned....hence the low odds.
I didn't realise that...every day is a school day...thanks.
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
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