Charlton away Tuesday 09/03/21

[guest3338]

Easy and correct penalty decision:
Sowerby looks at their player as he is moving towards the ball, he doesn't go for the ball, just turns his back and clatters their player.
If he'd have gone to head it, he would probably have been given the foul.
I haven't seen the Kioso incident but some on here are saying that he should have been red carded?

Are you forgetting the speed used and distance covered by the Charlton player to get to the ball compared Sowerby? Look at where he started from.
Sowerby took a look (it's what you do) before focusing on the ball. He then got clattered by their player coming in over forcefully.
You might be a ref DC but I'm afraid that was an outrageous decision.

[west stand oap]

Regarding the referee on the Charlton forum they thought Kioso's yellow was the right decision as they compared it to Aneke in similar incident which immediately got overturned when he was sent off.
The vast majority agree that it was not a penalty and that Sowerby was jumping for the ball and their player jumped into Sowerby intentionally and therefor hit the deck first. Some thought, as I did that we had been given the free kick.

[Gen.Disorda]

Regarding the referee on the Charlton forum they thought Kioso's yellow was the right decision as they compared it to Aneke in similar incident which immediately got overturned when he was sent off.
The vast majority agree that it was not a penalty and that Sowerby was jumping for the ball and their player jumped into Sowerby intentionally and therefor hit the deck first. Some thought, as I did that we had been given the free kick.

For me if you remove Forster-Caskey then Sowerby heads the ball. its not the same vice versa as Forster-Caskey has passed under the ball before contact is made.

[Carton Lid]

Easy and correct penalty decision:
Sowerby looks at their player as he is moving towards the ball, he doesn't go for the ball, just turns his back and clatters their player.
If he'd have gone to head it, he would probably have been given the foul.

Come on Deepcut, I've watched it around a dozen times now, the Charlton player is not looking at the ball from about 4 yards away from Sowerby, he's just looking to smash into Sowerby, slow it down, frame by frame and you will see. I know you like to defend refs and I understand they only get one look but Charlton were all in the refs ear throughout the game, just like they were at Sixfields, and the first year ref was too weak to resist it so he gave them a pen and then let them take the kick from in front of the spot.

[guest3355]

I didn't think it was a penalty, I guess i can see why it was given in real time but the ref was looking to give them decisions all night, was only a matter of time.

Don't think there is overly need to panic after losing last night, they're a strong team who do the dark arts well.

[Clint]

Definitely not a penalty, and overall not a very good refereeing performance for this match.

[west stand oap]

He also got Edmonson's yellow wrong when the defender purposely stepped directly into his path giving Edmonson no chance of avoiding him.

[Manwork04]

It was a pen because the idiot of a ref gave it, I actually thought in the first half he did ok but second half he had a meltdown, god help us if there had been 15k Charlton fans in the ground.

[Coolcat]

Many Charlton fans on their forum have rightly concluded that it wasn't a penalty.
Rather frustrating though to read the majority comment on how terrible Northampton were, being the most negative team they've come up against at the Valley.
Given Rochdale's 4-4 escapades there earlier in the season, combined with the utter arrogance and self entitlement which seemingly runs through their fanbase... not too surprising!

[guest1269]

Neither was I, and then there was Kevin Van Veen... And the look on Charlies face, when getting a standing ovation, when he came to take a throw in ahead of the west stand. I can forgive him for that.
Never thought that he was worth a million quid though.

Ah the KVV incident - hilarious and being somewhat hypocritical I'd forgive him for that one too - we will call it Karma!

[Deepcut Cobbler]

Come on Deepcut, I've watched it around a dozen times now, the Charlton player is not looking at the ball from about 4 yards away from Sowerby, he's just looking to smash into Sowerby, slow it down, frame by frame and you will see. I know you like to defend refs and I understand they only get one look but Charlton were all in the refs ear throughout the game, just like they were at Sixfields, and the first year ref was too weak to resist it so he gave them a pen and then let them take the kick from in front of the spot.

One question to both CJ and yourself:
Why did Sowerby turn his back and then clatter into the Charlton player?
It looks like he had no intention of playing the ball, whilst the Charlton player was going in front on.  Did Sowerby 'jib out' of the challenge?
As I said before, if he had gone in for the header, he would have more than likely been awarded the free kick.
It would also have been a foul anywhere else on the pitch.

The ball was 'over the spot', that interpretation of the Law changed a couple of seasons ago.

[guest2995]

i am not a ref and rarely defend them , but Sowerby’s challenge was clumsy .
It wasn’t a penalty but he gave the referee a decision to make unnecessarily.
A few people getting worked up about something that should have been avoided in the first place .

[BackOfTheNet]

One question to both CJ and yourself:
Why did Sowerby turn his back and then clatter into the Charlton player?
It looks like he had no intention of playing the ball, whilst the Charlton player was going in front on.  Did Sowerby 'jib out' of the challenge?
As I said before, if he had gone in for the header, he would have more than likely been awarded the free kick.
It would also have been a foul anywhere else on the pitch.

I've just watched that clip a dozen more times and I just don't see it that way. Sowerby is watching the ball and only starts to turn away as he presumably sees someone thundering towards him in his peripheral vision. It's the impact of the player running into him that spins him around. Speaking of which, the pace with which Forster-Caskey goes charging in there in no way puts him on an intercept path with the ball; he just goes steaming in to block Sowerby off.

[guest49]

I've just watched that clip a dozen more times and I just don't see it that way. Sowerby is watching the ball and only starts to turn away as he presumably sees someone thundering towards him in his peripheral vision. It's the impact of the player running into him that spins him around. Speaking of which, the pace with which Forster-Caskey goes charging in there in no way puts him on an intercept path with the ball; he just goes steaming in to block Sowerby off.

Shows how things are viewed differently as their player was clearly about to get the ball. He certainly had a better chance than Sowerby who probably didn't anticipate that someone was going to get there.
I don't think the decision would have got much discussion air time on MOTD if it was in the Prem. Very clumsy challenge.
I'm pleased in a way as reading the comments last night I thought we'd been robbed!

Onto Saturday and I'm sure we can bounce back.

[Madrid Cobbler]

Have seen the penalty incident several times and fully agree with Brady. The Charlton player runs into Sowerby and that's the only reason Sowerby goes down. The giveaway and what I'm amazed others here seem not to have noticed is that the Charlton player has run past where the ball was dropping and not even jumped, except to fall over after contact with Sowerby, of course. If fouls are going to be given for that, players might as well just run into each other all day and fall over, then whinge to the ref.... I know some do that already.

[BackOfTheNet]

Have seen the penalty incident several times and fully agree with Brady. The Charlton player runs into Sowerby and that's the only reason Sowerby goes down. The giveaway and what I'm amazed others here seem not to have noticed is that the Charlton player has run past where the ball was dropping and not even jumped, except to fall over after contact with Sowerby, of course. If fouls are going to be given for that, players might as well just run into each other all day and fall over, then whinge to the ref.... I know some do that already.

I did! 

Speaking of which, the pace with which Forster-Caskey goes charging in there in no way puts him on an intercept path with the ball; he just goes steaming in to block Sowerby off.

[everbrite]

Shows how things are viewed differently as their player was clearly about to get the ball. He certainly had a better chance than Sowerby who probably didn't anticipate that someone was going to get there.
I don't think the decision would have got much discussion air time on MOTD if it was in the Prem. Very clumsy challenge.
I'm pleased in a way as reading the comments last night I thought we'd been robbed!

Onto Saturday and I'm sure we can bounce back.

Certainly hope so - if that pen award was for us we would have said 'good decision'! Interesting to note that on their Forum some
say it was a doubtful penalty - few saying never a penalty!

[Saint Cobbler]

Charlton were on a weak first year ref's back from the start, they were exactly the same at Sixfields. My son, watching at his house, texted me 10 minutes before the pen and said "This ref will crack and give them a game changing decision" and so it proved, I've watched it back half a dozen times this morning and their player looks at the ball and then decides to run into Sowerby, never ever a pen. But then to compound things the ball is in front of the penalty spot, before he takes the kick you can clearly see the penalty spot, you cant do that if the ball is on the spot.
      These poor refereeing decisions have to change sometime, they have cost us points at MK, Swindon and last night, as I've said before, it's a legacy of KC where we built up a reputation as as a big, dirty team and the refs read this and go out with this mindset.
 
PS FA rules law 4 not enforced again last night  " Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials" with Charlton wearing red and their keeper wearing orange, schoolboy stuff !

Wouldn't like to be with you at traffic lights then.

[Saint Cobbler]

Certainly hope so - if that pen award was for us we would have said 'good decision'! Interesting to note that on their Forum some
say it was a doubtful penalty - few saying never a penalty!

If the opposition forum states that it was a doubtful penalty then this translates to definite penalty to an unbiased observer.

[guest3338]

One question to both CJ and yourself:
Why did Sowerby turn his back and then clatter into the Charlton player?
It looks like he had no intention of playing the ball, whilst the Charlton player was going in front on.  Did Sowerby 'jib out' of the challenge?
As I said before, if he had gone in for the header, he would have more than likely been awarded the free kick.
It would also have been a foul anywhere else on the pitch.

The ball was 'over the spot', that interpretation of the Law changed a couple of seasons ago.

Ive just seen Bradys interview and he's correct imo, Sowerby was under the ball waiting to meet it when their player jumped into him horizontally. Sowerby is about to use his arms to get upwards into the air whilst their player is using his to drive himself forwards, look at their respective positions.
Look also at how far back their player comes from and how fast as I've already said. Its him that's doing the clattering.
I thought you guys were big on 'excessive force' in a challenge these days?  
Why did Sowerby turn his back?... I dont think he did, the impact spins him further but they werent 180 degrees to each on their trajectories in the first place.
Notice how Sean tries to get a shoulder in to block off...that might have had some effect on the course and outcome.

On another point, I'd like a chance to see again the way Jones turned his defender and got his shot off just before his goal. I follow was crap last night but that looked quality to me.