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« Reply #2620 on: September 22, 2021, 10:18:23 am »

Do we want the club ran sustainably or do we want to add to the 'debt'?

I would rather it is run sustainably.

People are so adventurous with other peoples money Cool To me the fact that many L1 clubs opted out of meeting the players demands is not an amazing coincidence!
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« Reply #2621 on: September 22, 2021, 11:32:06 am »

Do we want the club ran sustainably or do we want to add to the 'debt'?

I would rather it is run sustainably.

Too late, we have almost £7m in debt but hey we have Danny Rose to show for it.  Grin Grin
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« Reply #2622 on: September 22, 2021, 11:35:43 am »

The trouble with that Shoey is that it reeks of anti club perspective. Not one word on outgoings?


STOP SHOOTING THE BLOODY MESSENGER. 

again these are facts, (well almost as we don't know the exact numbers involved but seem accepted by the masses)

It is very difficult to post any facts without them being anti-club as the owners are anti-club and very much pro-themselves. Our transfer dealings highlight it perfectly

How many videos has KT done talking about this influx on transfer fees and how we are even going to spend 1p of it?
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« Reply #2623 on: September 22, 2021, 11:40:49 am »

Thanks Zen, interesting details but find Twitter football info somewhat controversial. My opinion is still he is suspect defensively at left back so would play him at left midfield! That’s were JB would play him when Mills returns!

So interesting you fail to detail actual source. Did JB tell you this?
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« Reply #2624 on: September 22, 2021, 11:50:29 am »

STOP SHOOTING THE BLOODY MESSENGER. 

again these are facts, (well almost as we don't know the exact numbers involved but seem accepted by the masses)

It is very difficult to post any facts without them being anti-club as the owners are anti-club and very much pro-themselves. Our transfer dealings highlight it perfectly

How many videos has KT done talking about this influx on transfer fees and how we are even going to spend 1p of it?

It’s your opinion , are you trying to tell me that your opinions are fair minded, factual and not anti NTFC representatives. I know Shoey of old so not shooting the messenger but suggesting that he failed to mention outgoings?
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« Reply #2625 on: September 22, 2021, 12:03:51 pm »

So interesting you fail to detail actual source. Did JB tell you this?

Oh Lord the Blood Red Highlighter.
That’s a daft comment with all the hallmarks of a limited opinion! To put into context the Manager clearly thinks more of Mills than you do; so it stands to reason that Mills when fit will resume at left back! Deservedly so.If you keep up this meaningless trolling be prepared to face the consequences. FYIO I generally disagree with your opinions and no amount of trolling / hassling will change that.  Suggest you get the point!
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« Reply #2626 on: September 22, 2021, 12:17:54 pm »

it’s no surprise Chesterfield have a higher budget than us - add to that at least Notts County and Wrexham as well as probably another 4 or 5 clubs in the National League .
Wrexham probably have a bigger budget than any other club in division 2.
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« Reply #2627 on: September 22, 2021, 12:55:17 pm »


Wrexham probably have a bigger budget than any other club in division 2.
Not doing them much good though.
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« Reply #2628 on: September 22, 2021, 13:24:36 pm »

It’s your opinion , are you trying to tell me that your opinions are fair minded, factual and not anti NTFC representatives. I know Shoey of old so not shooting the messenger but suggesting that he failed to mention outgoings?
Outgoings??
Granted I don’t know how much Chesterfield have raked in via transfer fees but I bet it’s not nearly £2m pounds in the last two years

Given we have similar crowds etc as regards income can someone explain how we reinvest £0 on strikers with a view to the long term future despite £2m being received and Chesterfield can bid £250,000 (no idea if that’s correct) on a young forward who will earn them ££££.

There is NO long term planning off the pitch and no long term planning on it

Our trumped up transfer policy with whistles and bells equals the grand sum of bugger all (yet again)

If it’s true that vadaine Oliver was on £500 a week then we are paying non league wages to some members of the squad.

I was told the other day that we had a striker in for talks but refused to pay a grand a week so the player didn’t sign….(I’m sure somebody more knowledgeable than me can confirm if this is right)
IF true can someone explain what is actually going on at the club….

Bayo was on far more than a grand a week and that was years ago…..

Are we actually going forwards under the current owners??

This isn’t anti club but the transfer dealings speak for themselves.

Why should I believe as a fan that the benefits to the club from the land and a few seats will amount to anything when it’s as clear as day there is little investment in the future of the club ON the field.



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« Reply #2629 on: September 22, 2021, 14:49:29 pm »

Outgoings??
Granted I don’t know how much Chesterfield have raked in via transfer fees but I bet it’s not nearly £2m pounds in the last two years

Given we have similar crowds etc as regards income can someone explain how we reinvest £0 on strikers with a view to the long term future despite £2m being received and Chesterfield can bid £250,000 (no idea if that’s correct) on a young forward who will earn them ££££.

There is NO long term planning off the pitch and no long term planning on it

Our trumped up transfer policy with whistles and bells equals the grand sum of bugger all (yet again)

If it’s true that vadaine Oliver was on £500 a week then we are paying non league wages to some members of the squad.

I was told the other day that we had a striker in for talks but refused to pay a grand a week so the player didn’t sign….(I’m sure somebody more knowledgeable than me can confirm if this is right)
IF true can someone explain what is actually going on at the club….

Bayo was on far more than a grand a week and that was years ago…..

Are we actually going forwards under the current owners??

This isn’t anti club but the transfer dealings speak for themselves.

Why should I believe as a fan that the benefits to the club from the land and a few seats will amount to anything when it’s as clear as day there is little investment in the future of the club ON the field.


Yet we are currently doing well in L2 on a so called shoestring budget. Bet quite a few clubs in L2 would appreciate similar attendances, budget and high profile Loanee like 'Ete.
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« Reply #2630 on: September 22, 2021, 14:52:52 pm »

It’s your opinion , are you trying to tell me that your opinions are fair minded, factual and not anti NTFC representatives. I know Shoey of old so not shooting the messenger but suggesting that he failed to mention outgoings?

most of my "opinions" are based around the facts.

The recent presentation was very much fact based, you just don't like what is says and what light it puts NTFC and it's owners, believe me I really wish it was different.

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« Reply #2631 on: September 22, 2021, 15:09:03 pm »

It's all speculation though, isn't it? Nobody knows what the wages are, what even the wage bill is, or certainly what other clubs wage bills are. The Goode money was great, but was almost immediately undone by the lack of crowds the following years. The money for a kids is a welcome benefit, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was budgeted for the loan singing of Etete (also, not saying that would be the smart thing to do with the money either, but Premiership kids are on astronomical amounts, so if we've covering even a percantage of his wage it'd be a lot).

None of them are facts because we're all left in the dark on football finances which isn't great... however, that's also pretty standard for every time in the league.
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« Reply #2632 on: September 22, 2021, 15:48:20 pm »

most of my "opinions" are based around the facts.

The recent presentation was very much fact based, you just don't like what is says and what light it puts NTFC and it's owners, believe me I really wish it was different.*



* That's the difference - you like to speak on my behalf. You have no idea what I think about the current situation. It also appears that my interpretation of 'facts' is somewhat different from yours. Not sure if your continuing posturing as a Trust Board Member and your presentation of 'facts' is helping your cause?
A renowned Roman Emperor, Marcus Aurelius quoted " “Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. Some of this is true on here, me included. So when sticking to your 'facts' bear this quote in mind.
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« Reply #2633 on: September 22, 2021, 16:27:53 pm »

Yet we are currently doing well in L2 on a so called shoestring budget. Bet quite a few clubs in L2 would appreciate similar attendances, budget and high profile Loanee like 'Ete.
He needs to start scoring to be the envy of other clubs….
How much will we sell him for at the end of the season??
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« Reply #2634 on: September 22, 2021, 16:34:05 pm »

If we make the playoffs and secure promotion that way or outright that will be pay off enough.
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« Reply #2635 on: September 23, 2021, 06:51:49 am »

Outgoings??
Granted I don’t know how much Chesterfield have raked in via transfer fees but I bet it’s not nearly £2m pounds in the last two years

Given we have similar crowds etc as regards income can someone explain how we reinvest £0 on strikers with a view to the long term future despite £2m being received and Chesterfield can bid £250,000 (no idea if that’s correct) on a young forward who will earn them ££££.

There is NO long term planning off the pitch and no long term planning on it

Our trumped up transfer policy with whistles and bells equals the grand sum of bugger all (yet again)

If it’s true that vadaine Oliver was on £500 a week then we are paying non league wages to some members of the squad.

I was told the other day that we had a striker in for talks but refused to pay a grand a week so the player didn’t sign….(I’m sure somebody more knowledgeable than me can confirm if this is right)
IF true can someone explain what is actually going on at the club….

Bayo was on far more than a grand a week and that was years ago…..

Are we actually going forwards under the current owners??

This isn’t anti club but the transfer dealings speak for themselves.

Why should I believe as a fan that the benefits to the club from the land and a few seats will amount to anything when it’s as clear as day there is little investment in the future of the club ON the field.





you have answered your own question.
The reason money is not chucked speculatively at the team is because others that have done so have not necessarily had success . Look at the clubs in the National League mentioned above for a start .
Then look at clubs with moderate budgets that have done well - Accrington , Wimbledon , ourselves a few times .
We have a budget that is way below half way in our division and would be middle to upper ground in the national league probably .
Most of our players will be on between £1300 and £1800 a week with a few on a bit more .
Many teams will be paying £3k to £4k a week for some players .
There is little between teams in our division and it’s more about team spirit and organisation than anything else .
Admittedly you can’t get away with it in division 1 as we have found out many times .
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« Reply #2636 on: September 23, 2021, 07:07:20 am »

you have answered your own question.
The reason money is not chucked speculatively at the team is because others that have done so have not necessarily had success . Look at the clubs in the National League mentioned above for a start .
Then look at clubs with moderate budgets that have done well - Accrington , Wimbledon , ourselves a few times .
We have a budget that is way below half way in our division and would be middle to upper ground in the national league probably .
Most of our players will be on between £1300 and £1800 a week with a few on a bit more .
Many teams will be paying £3k to £4k a week for some players .
There is little between teams in our division and it’s more about team spirit and organisation than anything else .
Admittedly you can’t get away with it in division 1 as we have found out many times .

Don't Accrington and Wimbledon prove you can get away with it in league one?
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« Reply #2637 on: September 23, 2021, 07:11:14 am »

you have answered your own question.
The reason money is not chucked speculatively at the team is because others that have done so have not necessarily had success . Look at the clubs in the National League mentioned above for a start .
Then look at clubs with moderate budgets that have done well - Accrington , Wimbledon , ourselves a few times .
We have a budget that is way below half way in our division and would be middle to upper ground in the national league probably .
Most of our players will be on between £1300 and £1800 a week with a few on a bit more .
Many teams will be paying £3k to £4k a week for some players .
There is little between teams in our division and it’s more about team spirit and organisation than anything else .
Admittedly you can’t get away with it in division 1 as we have found out many times .


I like that answer B&S. Wink
It's also probably about having confidence in whoever you are intending to give 'your' money to.
If Chris Wilder had stayed with us into League One, would the confidence in his ability have rolled over into him being provided a higher budget than Rob Page was given?

If Jon Brady promotes us this season and stays with us, will he be provided with an increased budget to at least give him a fighting chance of consolidating in League One if, as it appears currently, he has the confidence of the Board to spend and use it wisely?

Was Gareth Ainsworth at Wycombe given a similar 'confidence' budgetary opportunity for League One over any new manager that may have come in?
By 'over achieving' and getting promotion to the Championship, did that stretch their financial resources just too far to sustain Championship football? By virtue of that, they were then able to enjoy their 'Season in the Sun' without too much expectation?
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« Reply #2638 on: September 23, 2021, 07:14:02 am »

It’s worth pointing out boot that it was mentioned at the time that vadaine Oliver was on £500 quid a week (I’m sure those in the know can clarify)
That’s a long way off of the bottom end mark of £1300….
Rumours of not paying a potential new signing £1000 a week may or may not be true (again I’m sure others can clarify).
A point I do agree with is that under the current ownership we cannot sustain/afford league one football.
This begs the question, why bother getting promoted??

Can anyone tell me what the owners would do differently at their third crack at league one football if we were to go up?
I said prior to last years feeble attempt with a league two squad that we would go straight back down.
Even the chairman admitted they needed outside investment (ah the old Chinese investment mystery) to be able to compete at league one level.
The crux is imo the owners have taken us as far as they can and I don’t know how much proof other posters need before they realise this.

It’s almost disheartening to think of promotion under the current board
I’ve said it before we are the Norwich of league two.

Ok in our own league but cannon fodder and a waste of time being promoted (and unlike norwich we don’t get parachute payments)
So what exactly is the point in promotion and can someone confirm that if we were to go up we would have a proper attempt at staying there next time???

Again not anti club but facts regards our attempts to compete in the league above.
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« Reply #2639 on: September 23, 2021, 07:28:50 am »


Again not anti club but facts regards our attempts to compete in the league above.

Yes (and not anti Shoemaker), but 'facts' according to Shoemaker which you admit with your consistent "I'm sure others can clarify" behind the majority of your statements.
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