Shoemaker
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Yes (and not anti Shoemaker), but 'facts' according to Shoemaker which you admit with your consistent "I'm sure others can clarify" behind the majority of your statements.
In fairness I think the £500 a week vadaine Oliver statement was posted on here by another Forumites at the time. As regards the player not being paid £1000 a week it was something relayed to me the other week (there ARE people on here who’d know if that is correct or not)
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guest2995
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It’s worth pointing out boot that it was mentioned at the time that vadaine Oliver was on £500 quid a week (I’m sure those in the know can clarify) That’s a long way off of the bottom end mark of £1300…. Rumours of not paying a potential new signing £1000 a week may or may not be true (again I’m sure others can clarify). A point I do agree with is that under the current ownership we cannot sustain/afford league one football. This begs the question, why bother getting promoted??
Can anyone tell me what the owners would do differently at their third crack at league one football if we were to go up? I said prior to last years feeble attempt with a league two squad that we would go straight back down. Even the chairman admitted they needed outside investment (ah the old Chinese investment mystery) to be able to compete at league one level. The crux is imo the owners have taken us as far as they can and I don’t know how much proof other posters need before they realise this.
It’s almost disheartening to think of promotion under the current board I’ve said it before we are the Norwich of league two.
Ok in our own league but cannon fodder and a waste of time being promoted (and unlike norwich we don’t get parachute payments) So what exactly is the point in promotion and can someone confirm that if we were to go up we would have a proper attempt at staying there next time???
Again not anti club but facts regards our attempts to compete in the league above.
without going into great detail , it’s true that some players have been on relatively low money but remember , people like Oliver and Lloyd Jones had come to a dead end within their careers and this club gave them a lifeline , albeit on lower than average wages at the time . There are others who have come here with a reputation and they haven’t delivered who are on arguably too much money . That is football up and down the country , whoever your team is . Some of the clubs that we would consider to be our peers pay players much more than we do , especially in division 1. The other thing to consider is loan players - by far the majority of their wages is paid by the parent club - the money the youngsters are paid is enormous and we may pay an eighth or a quarter of it .
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Deepcut Cobbler
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In fairness I think the £500 a week vadaine Oliver statement was posted on here by another Forumites at the time. As regards the player not being paid £1000 a week it was something relayed to me the other week (there ARE people on here who’d know if that is correct or not)
Agree, but there are a lot of facts that are created by the 'facts' posted on here that haven't the substance of hard evidence behind those original 'facts'. It is sometimes(often) very difficult to distinguish between the two. But it adds to the amusement of this board when observing and reading whilst keeping that in mind, unless they have the potential to cause collateral and/or significant damage.
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
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Shoemaker
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without going into great detail , it’s true that some players have been on relatively low money but remember , people like Oliver and Lloyd Jones had come to a dead end within their careers and this club gave them a lifeline , albeit on lower than average wages at the time . There are others who have come here with a reputation and they haven’t delivered who are on arguably too much money . That is football up and down the country , whoever your team is . Some of the clubs that we would consider to be our peers pay players much more than we do , especially in division 1. The other thing to consider is loan players - by far the majority of their wages is paid by the parent club - the money the youngsters are paid is enormous and we may pay an eighth or a quarter of it .
Fair comment.
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Shoemaker
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Agree, but there are a lot of facts that are created by the 'facts' posted on here that haven't the substance of hard evidence behind those original 'facts'. It is sometimes(often) very difficult to distinguish between the two. But it adds to the amusement of this board when observing and reading whilst keeping that in mind, unless they have the potential to cause collateral and/or significant damage. Fair comment. I’m not privy to what players earn and I’m just going by other forum members posts. I can’t see why anyone would post earnings as fact if they were guessing… Mind you on this forum who knows
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Deepcut Cobbler
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Fair comment. I’m not privy to what players earn and I’m just going by other forum members posts. I can’t see why anyone would post earnings as fact if they were guessing… Mind you on this forum who knows Exactly. It's why I steer clear of doing so.
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
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guest168
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* That's the difference - you like to speak on my behalf. You have no idea what I think about the current situation. It also appears that my interpretation of 'facts' is somewhat different from yours. Not sure if your continuing posturing as a Trust Board Member and your presentation of 'facts' is helping your cause? A renowned Roman Emperor, Marcus Aurelius quoted " “Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.” Some of this is true on here, me included. So when sticking to your 'facts' bear this quote in mind. '
How and where am I speaking on your behalf? Can you tell me what wasn't FACT (or a reasonable assumption based upon said facts) in the presentation?
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guest168
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Just like transfer fees, budgets and wages are taken from a variety of "calculations"
Within reason, it's all a bit irrelevant isn't it.
Plenty of examples of high fees and budget producing nothing and bargain basements achieving 13 point Championship winning margins. (ok not by 13 points !)
Is it a coincidence that strikers and creative players costing the most money, that under KT ownership (after CW) we must be close to the lowest scorers in the bottom 2 leagues in the last 5 years?
This makes it even harder and even more expense to attract those players as NTFC is a graveyard for such players. As a striker, would you seriously sign for us?
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yayo bayo
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Lloyd Jones was on 800 quid a week and Alan Sheehan was on 350 week but the club was paying for his coaching badges
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guest3359
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Can you tell me what wasn't FACT (or a reasonable assumption based upon said facts) in the presentation?
The best quote since 'alternative facts'
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guest3338
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Lloyd Jones was on 800 quid a week and Alan Sheehan was on 350 week but the club was paying for his coaching badges
350 quid? Those coaching badges must be fcuking expensive if he came here for what must amount to not a lot more than minimum wage. (Not a fact, more an application of thought processes 😁).
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guest3359
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Can you tell me what wasn't FACT (or a reasonable assumption based upon said facts) in the presentation?
From the executive summary... Lack of Transparency - eg: Chinese Sale - opinion Lack of Details On EVERYTHING - opinion £6m + Debt To Owners - fact £3m Spend For 202 Seats and 8 or 18 Executives Boxes - we havent seen the costings, as the Trust have pointed out, so more opinion but will go with fact as thats the number thats been mentioned alot Original Footprint Must Not Be Lost - opinion No Plans No Ambition No Future - opinion Owners Likely To Repay Themselves 1st Out Of Any Deal - opinion Total Dependence On One Individual As Source Of Finance - incorrect (use of word 'total' means this isnt fact) It appears that the current proposed deal best serves the short-term interests of its overseas owners, leaving the club with an inadequate stand and hemmed in by industrial units - opinion
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guest3338
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From the executive summary...
Lack of Transparency - eg: Chinese Sale - opinion Lack of Details On EVERYTHING - opinion £6m + Debt To Owners - fact £3m Spend For 202 Seats and 8 or 18 Executives Boxes - we havent seen the costings, as the Trust have pointed out, so more opinion but will go with fact as thats the number thats been mentioned alot Original Footprint Must Not Be Lost - opinion No Plans No Ambition No Future - opinion Owners Likely To Repay Themselves 1st Out Of Any Deal - opinion Total Dependence On One Individual As Source Of Finance - incorrect (use of word 'total' means this isnt fact)
It appears that the current proposed deal best serves the short-term interests of its overseas owners, leaving the club with an inadequate stand and hemmed in by industrial units - opinion
And isn't your last paragraph what is dividing the support? There is not sufficient transparency in all of this?
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everbrite
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How and where am I speaking on your behalf?
Can you tell me what wasn't FACT (or a reasonable assumption based upon said facts) in the presentation?
Your perception and obsessive fascination with your ‘facts’ are at odds with some NTFC Fans on here. Clearly your perception of ‘facts’ whilst meat and drink too you, don't appear to be generally shared.
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2020 Grand National S/S 3rd Place
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Manwork04
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From the executive summary...
Lack of Transparency - eg: Chinese Sale - opinion Lack of Details On EVERYTHING - opinion £6m + Debt To Owners - fact £3m Spend For 202 Seats and 8 or 18 Executives Boxes - we havent seen the costings, as the Trust have pointed out, so more opinion but will go with fact as thats the number thats been mentioned alot Original Footprint Must Not Be Lost - opinion No Plans No Ambition No Future - opinion Owners Likely To Repay Themselves 1st Out Of Any Deal - opinion Total Dependence On One Individual As Source Of Finance - incorrect (use of word 'total' means this isnt fact)
It appears that the current proposed deal best serves the short-term interests of its overseas owners, leaving the club with an inadequate stand and hemmed in by industrial units - opinion
All that is just your opinion 😂
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Rule Britannia
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guest3359
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All that is just your opinion 😂
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." Mark Twain
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everbrite
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The best quote since 'alternative facts'
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2020 Grand National S/S 3rd Place
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guest168
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From the executive summary...
Lack of Transparency - eg: Chinese Sale - opinion. No it is fact what part is opinion? Someone selling the club without telling supporters is a lack of transparency? Lack of Details On EVERYTHING - opinion. Ok where is the detail? £6m + Debt To Owners - fact £3m Spend For 202 Seats and 8 or 18 Executives Boxes - we havent seen the costings, as the Trust have pointed out, so more opinion but will go with fact as thats the number thats been mentioned alot. Sorry you might not but I have !! it is £3m max Original Footprint Must Not Be Lost - opinion No Plans No Ambition No Future - opinion. ok show me the evidence of plans, ambition and our future Owners Likely To Repay Themselves 1st Out Of Any Deal - opinion Total Dependence On One Individual As Source Of Finance - incorrect (use of word 'total' means this isnt fact)
It appears that the current proposed deal best serves the short-term interests of its overseas owners, leaving the club with an inadequate stand and hemmed in by industrial units - opinion
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guest3359
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Ok...
Lack of Transparency - eg: Chinese Sale - opinion. Lack of Transparency over the Chinese sale - fact
Lack of Details On EVERYTHING - opinion. Lack of Details On SOMETHINGS - fact
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guest168
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OK Woody,
Lowest capacity of any league club established for 20 year. FACT
7 managers since KT arrived FACT
I could go on and on and on and on.
What's you take on the FACT that we are worse off now that when KT took over?
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