guest168
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Ok...
Lack of Transparency - eg: Chinese Sale - opinion. Lack of Transparency over the Chinese sale - fact
Lack of Details On EVERYTHING - opinion. Lack of Details On SOMETHINGS - fact
Ok thanks Woody, but with the situation the club is in, you choose to nitpick some 'facts' rather than question the owners on their behaviour and the future of your football club
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Winslow Lee
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What's you take on the FACT that we are worse off now that when KT took over?
Are we?
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DrillingCobbler
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It’s worth pointing out boot that it was mentioned at the time that vadaine Oliver was on £500 quid a week (I’m sure those in the know can clarify) That’s a long way off of the bottom end mark of £1300…. Rumours of not paying a potential new signing £1000 a week may or may not be true (again I’m sure others can clarify). A point I do agree with is that under the current ownership we cannot sustain/afford league one football. This begs the question, why bother getting promoted??
Can anyone tell me what the owners would do differently at their third crack at league one football if we were to go up? I said prior to last years feeble attempt with a league two squad that we would go straight back down. Even the chairman admitted they needed outside investment (ah the old Chinese investment mystery) to be able to compete at league one level. The crux is imo the owners have taken us as far as they can and I don’t know how much proof other posters need before they realise this.
It’s almost disheartening to think of promotion under the current board I’ve said it before we are the Norwich of league two.
Ok in our own league but cannon fodder and a waste of time being promoted (and unlike norwich we don’t get parachute payments) So what exactly is the point in promotion and can someone confirm that if we were to go up we would have a proper attempt at staying there next time???
Again not anti club but facts regards our attempts to compete in the league above.
Firstly, good to see you've re-merged! I will respond to one question you've posed...what would the owners do differently if they get a third stab at league one? I think, in balance its fair to make the following points. The first relegation happened when we had at least a top half of league1 budget. The money was spent very badly, we all know that, but its unfair to say that we didn't compete financially, because we more than did! Where that money came from by the way is irrelevant to this specific topic, but transfer fees and inflated wages were thrown about and it didn't end well. The 2nd time, we lost 5 key players for a variety of different reasons, this coincided with COVID19. Two of those players were on loan. One we sold to Brentford. One was a crock and about 40. I think its fair to say that we were ill-equipped to give league1 a decent bash, and I don't think its fair to blame the owners for this. The biggest error (hindight much of it) was playing chicken with our rivals with regards to Oliver. If we'd kept him, I reckon we would have scraped enough points and we would still be in league1. If we were to gain promotion this time round, it would be the first time under the current owners that we would likely to be going into the next league, all things equal. And with the same manager who got us there, but without the baggage that Curle had (who was not overly liked by a lot of our fans). So we may just get a bit of a bounce from it all. Longer term, we would need to develop additional income streams to be successful, we all know that. But that's an entirely different topic. By all means continue to raise your many points with regards to us not spending £ on strikers etc, but be a bit more balanced with it all, then your points would have far more credibility attached to them!
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Manwork04
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Who would you blame for us going into last season ill equipped? The buck stops with our owners end of.
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Rule Britannia
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MCHammer
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Firstly, good to see you've re-merged! I will respond to one question you've posed...what would the owners do differently if they get a third stab at league one? I think, in balance its fair to make the following points. The first relegation happened when we had at least a top half of league1 budget. The money was spent very badly, we all know that, but its unfair to say that we didn't compete financially, because we more than did! Where that money came from by the way is irrelevant to this specific topic, but transfer fees and inflated wages were thrown about and it didn't end well. The 2nd time, we lost 5 key players for a variety of different reasons, this coincided with COVID19. Two of those players were on loan. One we sold to Brentford. One was a crock and about 40. I think its fair to say that we were ill-equipped to give league1 a decent bash, and I don't think its fair to blame the owners for this. The biggest error (hindight much of it) was playing chicken with our rivals with regards to Oliver. If we'd kept him, I reckon we would have scraped enough points and we would still be in league1. If we were to gain promotion this time round, it would be the first time under the current owners that we would likely to be going into the next league, all things equal. And with the same manager who got us there, but without the baggage that Curle had (who was not overly liked by a lot of our fans). So we may just get a bit of a bounce from it all. Longer term, we would need to develop additional income streams to be successful, we all know that. But that's an entirely different topic. By all means continue to raise your many points with regards to us not spending £ on strikers etc, but be a bit more balanced with it all, then your points would have far more credibility attached to them! Great post. The thing is as with everything in life there are nuances and details in every circumstance that create the outcome. Things sometimes just aren't black and white in the way some people want to see them.
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Manwork04
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Great post. The thing is as with everything in life there are nuances and details in every circumstance that create the outcome. Things sometimes just aren't black and white in the way some people want to see them.
What your missing is the common denominator, it’s the job of the board to plan for the nuances and details, it’s because of their spectacular failure to prepare and then to properly manage the situation is the reason why we have failed twice under their tenure. I guess it’s no surprise when the running of the club comes as a poor relation to a round of golf!
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Rule Britannia
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Winslow Lee
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Who would you blame for us going into last season ill equipped? The buck stops with our owners end of.
The manager has a fantastic transfer window the previous summer resulting in a promotion, he’s then given money for transfer fees and bar the signings of Horsfall and Kioso his transfers are a complete disaster and the team get relegated.
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Manwork04
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The manager has a fantastic transfer window the previous summer resulting in a promotion, he’s then given money for transfer fees and bar the signings of Horsfall and Kioso his transfers are a complete disaster and the team get relegated.
Agreed but as a chairman there’s a point where you have to be a bit hands on.
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Gazman
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Who would you blame for us going into last season ill equipped? The buck stops with our owners end of.
I think its hard to judge on last year, we went up after an early end to the season saw us scrape into the playoffs, there was so much uncertainty in football at that time with no indication crowds would be coming back into stadiums which would have had such a massive impact on income from this and sponsors. The club may have waved the white flag in terms of maintaining league 1 status but they kept the club afloat with no sign we were ever in danger when other clubs were publicly announcing they were close to othe wire And for anyone to say we are no better off than before the current regime came in is off their t1ts. If they hadnt come in there is the real possibility the club wouldnt exist now
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MCHammer
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What your missing is the common denominator, it’s the job of the board to plan for the nuances and details, it’s because of their spectacular failure to prepare and then to properly manage the situation is the reason why we have failed twice under their tenure. I guess it’s no surprise when the running of the club comes as a poor relation to a round of golf!
I think you are right to an extent and is why I genuinely don't mind if we don't go up this year as I don't think we are prepared as a club for that level yet. What I'm saying is you want to simply blame the owners. Look at the summer we had when we went up last time. A season that was laready delayed, promoted through the play offs so even more delay with a team that wasn't league one ready in any shape or form. We were in the middle of a global pandemic with no end in sight, no sign of future income and how that looked, sold our best defender and our strike force. Now some say sign better players. Get in a 20 goal a season striker, creative midfielder etc. but on the other hand the same people moan about the 6 mill debt. As Drilling said look at the previous promotion when we did go for it financially.
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BackOfTheNet
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On the topic of us being "outbid" by Chesterfield, I liken it to my views on housing.
Around where I live there are a lot of new houses springing up that are bigger, arguably nicer and certainly a lot more expensive than mine. I earn a pretty decent salary and I occasionally find myself wondering what jobs all these people do that allows them to afford these houses when I can't.
The truth is though, I actually could afford them, I'm just not prepared to be mortgaged up to the hilt. I'm mortgage free, which gives me and my family a massive degree of security and a good chunk of disposable income. To me, they are more important to me than owning a bigger house. Other people make a different choice and that's their prerogative, it's purely a case of priorities, but if those people lose their jobs or find themselves unable to work they could see it all come crashing down around them. Risk and reward, I guess.
I suspect Chesterfield have pushed the boat out in the hope their new player does the business and they make a big profit. They may well do so and fair play to them if they do, but equally he could break his leg in his next match or do his ACL in training and then they are stuck with his salary.
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I think its hard to judge on last year, we went up after an early end to the season saw us scrape into the playoffs, there was so much uncertainty in football at that time with no indication crowds would be coming back into stadiums which would have had such a massive impact on income from this and sponsors. The club may have waved the white flag in terms of maintaining league 1 status but they kept the club afloat with no sign we were ever in danger when other clubs were publicly announcing they were close to othe wire
And for anyone to say we are no better off than before the current regime came in is off their t1ts. If they hadnt come in there is the real possibility the club wouldnt exist now
Good old Gazman - your last sentence says it all
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2020 Grand National S/S 3rd Place
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Mysterious Curle
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10 games in I’d be very interested to hear thoughts on our summer recruits…
For me 2 good signings Roberts and Guthrie from 11/12.
Who is to blame? How many players didn’t JB / CC know of beforehand?
Jonny Maxted – Goalkeeper – Exeter City Liam Roberts – Goalkeeper – Walsall Aaron McGowan – Right Back – Kilmarnock Jon Guthrie – Centre Back – Livingston Sid Nelson – Centre Back – Tranmere Rovers Dylan Connolly – Right Wing – St Mirren Jordan Flores – Central Midfield – Hull City Paul Lewis – Central Midfield – Tranmere Rovers Mitch Pinnock – Left Wing - Kilmarnock Nicke Kabamba – Striker – Kilmarnock The lad from Villa?
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cobbler151
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Roberts Guthrie
Top signings
McGowan and Koiki are OK
The rest .....awful
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guest3338
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10 games in I’d be very interested to hear thoughts on our summer recruits…
For me 2 good signings Roberts and Guthrie from 11/12.
Who is to blame? How many players didn’t JB / CC know of beforehand?
Jonny Maxted – Goalkeeper – Exeter City Liam Roberts – Goalkeeper – Walsall Aaron McGowan – Right Back – Kilmarnock Jon Guthrie – Centre Back – Livingston Sid Nelson – Centre Back – Tranmere Rovers Dylan Connolly – Right Wing – St Mirren Jordan Flores – Central Midfield – Hull City Paul Lewis – Central Midfield – Tranmere Rovers Mitch Pinnock – Left Wing - Kilmarnock Nicke Kabamba – Striker – Kilmarnock The lad from Villa?
I've changed my mind about McGowan, he's worth a contract as is Koiki. Lewis looks like he could still get better to me. Agree with Roberts and Guthrie Not seen enough of Nelson, Connolly. Pinnock started well but has gone missing and needs to turn it round quickly. Kambamba is not upto it Villa lad, who?
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Mysterious Curle
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I've changed my mind about McGowan, he's worth a contract as is Koiki. Lewis looks like he could still get better to me. Agree with Roberts and Guthrie Not seen enough of Nelson, Connolly. Pinnock started well but has gone missing and needs to turn it round quickly. Kambamba is not upto it Villa lad, who?
On deadline day we signed a lad called Dominic Raven on loan from Villa. A full back / CB. I assume we scouted him beforehand but he hasn’t made a match day squad since signing!?
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tcobb
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Koiki, is not a full back. Left sided midfielder yes, never a full back /wingback. Way to many costly mistake in defence, needs to be released from that position ASAP and replaced with a defender who knows how to defend.
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guest3338
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On deadline day we signed a lad called Dominic Raven on loan from Villa. A full back / CB.
I assume we scouted him beforehand but he hasn’t made a match day squad since signing!?
I realized that, hence 'who?' !
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Winslow Lee
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Jonny Maxted – Goalkeeper – Exeter City Liam Roberts – Goalkeeper – Walsall Aaron McGowan – Right Back – Kilmarnock Jon Guthrie – Centre Back – Livingston Sid Nelson – Centre Back – Tranmere Rovers Dylan Connolly – Right Wing – St Mirren Jordan Flores – Central Midfield – Hull City Paul Lewis – Central Midfield – Tranmere Rovers Mitch Pinnock – Left Wing - Kilmarnock Nicke Kabamba – Striker – Kilmarnock The lad from Villa?
Etete is missing from the list Pretty much agree only Guthrie, Roberts and to an extent McGowan have impressed. Also Sowerby and Rose who were signed for fees to play at league 1 level, were poor last year, hardly look any better at league 2 level.
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