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« on: July 13, 2021, 08:09:54 am »

Here is a hot topic that should be discussed in society. IMO sport is probably the one area that causes genuine controversy around equal rights in terms of transgender competitors.
As always it quickly polarizes opinion, creates hatred and stifles conversation.
My personal view is that it is pretty much proven that advantages stem beyond testosterone levels alone. I'm sure by the next Olympics runners such as CeCe Telfer will be competing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57549653
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2021, 08:53:47 am »

For me allowing someone who was born male to compete as a female and vica versa is a joke, and I will not be bothering to watch the Olympics ever again.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2021, 09:43:49 am »

For me allowing someone who was born male to compete as a female and vica versa is a joke.

I did the cooking yesterday.  Huh?
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2021, 09:58:25 am »

Easy to solve, take sex out of sport.

No mens or women's teams, just teams. Play, train and compete together and if you're good enough you're in.

In Rugby it would clearly work as you need a hooker!

Wimbledon, equal money yet 3 sets over 5? Women work for 1hr 30 yet men must graft for 4-5 hours, this would be illegal in the workplace, make the girls play 5 sets for their corn.

Sometimes they want equality when actually they don't.

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2021, 10:22:09 am »

Easy to solve, take sex out of sport.

No mens or women's teams, just teams. Play, train and compete together and if you're good enough you're in.

In Rugby it would clearly work as you need a ****

Wimbledon, equal money yet 3 sets over 5? Women work for 1hr 30 yet men must graft for 4-5 hours, this would be illegal in the workplace, make the girls play 5 sets for their corn.

Sometimes they want equality when actually they don't.



Appreciate that is tongue in cheek but that's the issue, there are categories for good reason. Some pretty compelling stats:

https://law.duke.edu/sports/sex-sport/comparative-athletic-performance/

In most (certainly athletic) sports women have distinct physical disadvantages. It's hardly ground breaking stuff.
I guess it could pan out that women's sport is dominated by trans women in years to come and not sure where the argument goes then?!
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2021, 10:45:17 am »

Appreciate that is tongue in cheek but that's the issue, there are categories for good reason. Some pretty compelling stats:

https://law.duke.edu/sports/sex-sport/comparative-athletic-performance/

In most (certainly athletic) sports women have distinct physical disadvantages. It's hardly ground breaking stuff.
I guess it could pan out that women's sport is dominated by trans women in years to come and not sure where the argument goes then?!


I think that's it. It's not about how (or as who) people want to live their lives, it's about ensuring there's a level playing field and sport is fair for all. As we've struggled to explain to our kids over the years, fairness doesn't always mean everyone being treated in exactly the same way and being allowed to do exactly the same thing.

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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2021, 12:18:40 pm »


Sometimes they want equality when actually they don't.
Yeah try getting them to clean the car. Or put fuel in it. Or hand over the remote. Say to them, do you want a takeaway love? Nah im on a diet, then dive on your chips when you walk through your door. Theres loads more, but best if I dont post them on here.

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2021, 18:05:45 pm »

Very contentious.
I dont know where we go with this. It's clearly a nonsense to suggest that certain transgender woman competing as a female against females is a level playing field.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2021, 18:47:58 pm »

Very contentious.
I dont know where we go with this. It's clearly a nonsense to suggest that certain transgender woman competing as a female against females is a level playing field.
very much so, if they are Russian shot putters.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2021, 19:54:19 pm »

very much so, if they are Russian shot putters.
Yep.
Non more contentious than Tamara Press  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2021, 20:17:04 pm »

Here is a hot topic that should be discussed in society. IMO sport is probably the one area that causes genuine controversy around equal rights in terms of transgender competitors.
As always it quickly polarizes opinion, creates hatred and stifles conversation.
My personal view is that it is pretty much proven that advantages stem beyond testosterone levels alone. I'm sure by the next Olympics runners such as CeCe Telfer will be competing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57549653

Bruce Jenner was the best male athlete in the world in his time. If that time had been now, he could win Olympic mens gold, transition and compete 4 years later in the heptathlon. Anybody gonna bet against him winning that as well?
I dare say there will be individuals in the future who are tempted to transition mainly in the pursuit of gold.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2021, 10:28:14 am »

Athletics is already a disgrace for its treatment of women with naturally high testosterone levels. What Caster Semenya has been put through is outrageous and recently two Namibian runners have been banned from their Olympic events yet very little coverage of this.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2021, 10:03:25 am »

Testosterone levels are also the tip of the iceberg. Your height, bone structure, muscle structure, size of organs and many other factors are different going through puberty as a man. It's all well and good taking blockers when you are already twice the size of you competitors.

More needs to be done to protect Women's sport.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2021, 21:49:18 pm »

It’s a mental illness.
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2021, 06:51:17 am »

It’s a mental illness.

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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2021, 22:50:13 pm »

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I must say, I’m pretty surprised by this. I expect it from manwork but didn’t think anyone would agree with him. Do you think homosexuality is a mental illness too? It was considered so in the dark and distant past and many people were sadly persecuted for it.
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2021, 14:07:42 pm »

It’s a mental illness.

Are you a child or a very old bitter man
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