The Rise of Sam Hoskins

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

Sam has now overtaken Ernie Cockle, Billy Pease (went on to play for England), Phil Chard and Richard Hill in league goals.
and is now joint 20th in overall goals with Archie Garrett, Billy Best and Scott McGleish.

It doesn’t really mean much unless it’s stacked up against games played. Or even minutes.

In addition to that, I would also take into account penalties.

[CobblerForever]

Sam Hoskins - best ever Cobblers penalty taker.

Another box ticked.

[Bingers]

It doesn’t really mean much

Oh yes it does!



Think how much pleasure each and every one of those has given you. They all mean something, regardless of minutes played. And there have been more of them than pretty much every other person who has played for the Mighty Cobblers.

[Manwork04]

Jon Brady has improved Sam beyond recognition FACT.

[EB Claret]

It doesn’t really mean much unless it’s stacked up against games played. Or even minutes.

In addition to that, I would also take into account penalties.

Lots more to consider

           Position played in
           Formation used
           Manager's playing style
           The Weather
           The state of the pitch
           Playing kit, could his team mates see him?
           Daylight or Floodlights?
           Had he forgotten his lucky pants?
           Were supporters for or against him?

I sure people can think of other factors
Or we can keep it simple and count the number of goals scored

[TPFKA Marvo]

The problem with just looking at the overall total is it's pretty irrelevant.

Imagine, the world's greatest darts player rocks up at Carr's bar, throws three darts, all hit the bullseye. I then have a go and 100 throws later I hit my fourth bullseye. Am I now the world's best player, I mean I got one more bullseye? Of course not, that would be silly.

As for the examples given, I'm sorry to say I never saw Ernie Cockle, Billy Pease or Archie Garrett play. However, I did see Phil Chard, Richard Hill, Scott McGleish and Billy Best and in my opinion, Sam Hoskins is nowhere near as good as any of them.

However, Sam has a contract for two more years (at least) and even at his current ratio of 1 goal every 5 games he should overhaul several more players in the list, including the likes of Paul Stratford, John Fairbrother, Mark Richards, Ian Benjamin, even Bayo. What we can take from that I don't know, but it will nevertheless be some achievement.

[DrillingCobbler]

I've had this debate time and time again. One thing I will say though again, I've been convinced for several seasons that Sam has what it takes to be a 20 goal a season goal scorer.

I've no idea who the last one we had was (lets just stick to league goals here) - maybe Super Sam will manage to hit that target this time round. He only needs 17 goals from 44 matches!

What Manwork says though is bang up....Brady has helped improve him beyond recognition. His end product these days is far more consistent than it was a few years ago and he is finally fulfilling the potential he has always had. Lets hope his upward protectory continues and he plays his best football in his 30's, like Grayson arguably did. Or looking elsewhere, Vardy.

Without question, if I was Brady Id be playing down the middle, whether that's right up top or just behind I'm not too bothered. His finishing at the minute is sublime....and he's full of confidence.

[Madrid Cobbler]

Interesting debate on how much Hoskins has improved. While Marvo's stat of 1 goal in 5 is not that impressive compared to other Cobblers goalscorers, it's also fair to say that Hoskins is not always (or even usually) played as an out and out striker and thus his strike rate should not be compared to Marc Richards for example.

Having said that, there's no doubt that he's improved under Brady both in terms of goals scored and assists. He now has 16 league goals in his last 48 league appearances from 2021-22 and the first 2 games of this season (according to Google) which is exactly a 1 goal per 3 games strike rate. He also has  10 assists in that time. In the previous 3 seasons, over 115 league games, he scored 20 goals and contributed 10 assists. Just those figures are enough to show a clear progression.

The argument that he scores more now because he takes penalties, is only partially valid in determining goalscoring prowess. After all, Hoskins only keeps taking the penalties because he keeps scoring them. If he didn't, someone else would be taking them.

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

Lots more to consider

         
Or we can keep it simple and count the number of goals scored

Whilst I appreciate your stunning repartee, it is absolutely relevant to look at penalties and time on the pitch.

As Margo says, he scores roughly one goal every five games. On the surface that looks ok. But if you take away the penalties (and I’m not sure of how many are penalties) it’s probably quite a poor return. It gives any player a huge advantage over his team mates if he takes the penalties, so it should be absolutely part of any calculations.

[DrillingCobbler]

Whilst I appreciate your stunning repartee, it is absolutely relevant to look at penalties and time on the pitch.

As Margo says, he scores roughly one goal every five games. On the surface that looks ok. But if you take away the penalties (and I’m not sure of how many are penalties) it’s probably quite a poor return. It gives any player a huge advantage over his team mates if he takes the penalties, so it should be absolutely part of any calculations.

You've ruined it now for Frank Lampard. There's me thinking his goal scoring record was incredible for a midfielder. However a quick google search shows, 43 of his premier league goals were penalties. Take them off of the total....bog standard player!! 

[Manwork04]

The more variables you bring into a statistic the more insightful and accurate, a bit like AI and machine learning. FACT.

[CobblerForever]

As Margo says,

Was that a Freudian slip ?

[TPFKA Marvo]

As Margo says,

Well, I do enjoy the Good life. 

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

Well, I do enjoy the Good life. 

😂😂😂

The joy of mobile phones.

[Manwork04]

Well, I do enjoy the Good life. 

The good old days….

[Madrid Cobbler]

For the record Sam has scored 11 out of 12 penalties while playing for the Cobblers. I certainly can't think of any Cobblers player in my lifetime who would be able to better that. Take a bow that man and long may it continue!

[606 Parklands_Cobbler]

for the record, the last 20 league goalscorer we had was Richard Hill, so.

[guest3529]

Interesting debate on how much Hoskins has improved. While Marvo's stat of 1 goal in 5 is not that impressive compared to other Cobblers goalscorers, it's also fair to say that Hoskins is not always (or even usually) played as an out and out striker and thus his strike rate should not be compared to Marc Richards for example.

Having said that, there's no doubt that he's improved under Brady both in terms of goals scored and assists. He now has 16 league goals in his last 48 league appearances from 2021-22 and the first 2 games of this season (according to Google) which is exactly a 1 goal per 3 games strike rate. He also has  10 assists in that time. In the previous 3 seasons, over 115 league games, he scored 20 goals and contributed 10 assists. Just those figures are enough to show a clear progression.

The argument that he scores more now because he takes penalties, is only partially valid in determining goalscoring prowess. After all, Hoskins only keeps taking the penalties because he keeps scoring them. If he didn't, someone else would be taking them.

For the record, how many of the last 16 league goals (in 48 league appearances) have been penalties?

[everbrite]

Was that a Freudian slip ?

 

[606 Parklands_Cobbler]

For the record, how many of the last 16 league goals (in 48 league appearances) have been penalties?

3.