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« Reply #80 on: September 12, 2021, 12:30:21 pm »

Sorry to continue this moany theme but Ö
Iíve never known a big (ish) away crowd to be so quiet. Donít get me wrong Iím not a singer but there really was nothing to get excited about. 100% agree with the comment that the pendulum has swung firmly away from JB and to Cc. That said, I would have been delighted with a 1-0 win to us yesterday!
Keeping focus though, we are only 6 games in and if we had picked up 3 pts from our game in hand we would be 4th.
I did think shipping out Harry was a mistake. He would have been good with a Brady team but letís be realistic, he would have been fcuking ineffectual with the service received from yesterdayís midfield!
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« Reply #81 on: September 12, 2021, 12:30:39 pm »

Our victory against  a poor 10 man Scunny team can now be seen in a different light after they got hammered by Exeter 4-0 at home yesterday.
Any individual result is pretty irrelevant, I donít think that Exeter results makes any difference. People moaned about the Port Vale and Colchester wins because around the time they both were near the bottom of the table, now they are top half does that make those wins better? not for me.
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« Reply #82 on: September 12, 2021, 12:35:59 pm »

Irrespective of exciting or entertaining performances if we average close on 2 points per game we will get promoted - with a result on Tuesday we will be achieving that and the CC/JB plan is working but only a bit better as a spectacle than the KC years.
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« Reply #83 on: September 12, 2021, 12:43:33 pm »

I simply do not understand the reasons why Sowerby and Pollock are not getting selected.

I didn't go yesterday, listened to Tim. Even his usual excitable style commentary was missing, so it was bloody clear that the game was a bore fest.

I try to avoid picking on certain players, but if someone could tell me what Lewis is bringing to the party Id be very interested? Other than missing a series of sitters last week, I don't recall ever seeing a single significant contribution from him during a phase of play. Maybe I'm being harsh, maybe I haven't got the footballing knowledge to see things that the 'experts' do? Please someone, tell me why he is being picked?!!

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« Reply #84 on: September 12, 2021, 13:45:56 pm »

I simply do not understand the reasons why Sowerby and Pollock are not getting selected.

I didn't go yesterday, listened to Tim. Even his usual excitable style commentary was missing, so it was bloody clear that the game was a bore fest.

I try to avoid picking on certain players, but if someone could tell me what Lewis is bringing to the party Id be very interested? Other than missing a series of sitters last week, I don't recall ever seeing a single significant contribution from him during a phase of play. Maybe I'm being harsh, maybe I haven't got the footballing knowledge to see things that the 'experts' do? Please someone, tell me why he is being picked?!!



Because heís a scouser. Itís an unwritten rule that youíve got to have at least one scouser in your team. Watson goes, Lewis in. Simples!
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« Reply #85 on: September 12, 2021, 13:55:29 pm »

I simply do not understand the reasons why Sowerby and Pollock are not getting selected.

I didn't go yesterday, listened to Tim. Even his usual excitable style commentary was missing, so it was bloody clear that the game was a bore fest.

I try to avoid picking on certain players, but if someone could tell me what Lewis is bringing to the party Id be very interested? Other than missing a series of sitters last week, I don't recall ever seeing a single significant contribution from him during a phase of play. Maybe I'm being harsh, maybe I haven't got the footballing knowledge to see things that the 'experts' do? Please someone, tell me why he is being picked?!!



I think you raise a good point specifically re Pollock who in my opinion will contribute much more - probably  Iím wrong but I get the impression newer signings will always get more benefit of the doubt selections than young home grown players
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« Reply #86 on: September 12, 2021, 13:59:13 pm »

Because heís a scouser. Itís an unwritten rule that youíve got to have at least one scouser in your team. Watson goes, Lewis in. Simples!

McGowan is also a scouser, so that rules that idea of yours out.
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« Reply #87 on: September 12, 2021, 14:08:08 pm »

Sorry to continue this moany theme but Ö
Iíve never known a big (ish) away crowd to be so quiet. Donít get me wrong Iím not a singer but there really was nothing to get excited about. 100% agree with the comment that the pendulum has swung firmly away from JB and to Cc. That said, I would have been delighted with a 1-0 win to us yesterday!
Keeping focus though, we are only 6 games in and if we had picked up 3 pts from our game in hand we would be 4th.
I did think shipping out Harry was a mistake. He would have been good with a Brady team but letís be realistic, he would have been fcuking ineffectual with the service received from yesterdayís midfield!

Three reasons
-Open air terrace
-We were spread across the whole length of the west stand (would have been much better if half of it was closed)
-FGR had about 50 singers behind a goal
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« Reply #88 on: September 12, 2021, 14:48:51 pm »

Brady out!!!
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« Reply #89 on: September 12, 2021, 15:38:00 pm »


I did think shipping out Harry was a mistake.

There's no way Harry Smith would have scored 5 goals for us given the way we're playing. It's not like we have a striker who has missed 5 good chances which would have been goals if only we'd had a predatory finisher.

Agree with others: I like JB but his post-match comments yesterday were delusional. One thing I also liked about Wilder is that he told it how it was: if he or the players got it wrong and fell short he would make that clear.

For all our impressive defensive solidity, one shot on target yesterday and two goals from open play in the league so far isn't good enough. The local media should be asking when this much-heralded 'bums-off-seats' attacking football is going to materialise.

In retrospect, I think Brady was probably trying to switch up the tactics and play a 4-3-3 yesterday with Hoskins and Rose as wide forwards and a solid middle trio of McWilliams, Lewis and Flores.

However, much as I would like us try something different we simply don't have the personnel to play 4-3-3: Rose doesn't have the pace to play wide (as he showed last season) and we don't have a number 10 type who can run the midfield.

For me, he either has to stick to 4-4-2 and play proper wingers or try a 4-2-3-1:

                         
                              Roberts
                  Macgowan Guthrie Horsfall Koiki

                             McWilliams   Sowerby

            Hoskins/Connolly      Pollock/Flores      Pinnock

                                       Etete

    I agree on Lewis. I think JB brought him in hoping he'd be a goalscoring midfielder and a Watson replacement given that he scored 7 odd for Tranmere last year. However, he's clearly not going to create much himself and I think we'd be better off with Sowerby as a holding/passing midfielder.



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« Reply #90 on: September 12, 2021, 16:05:46 pm »

Players who are not in the side are often better than those who are.
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« Reply #91 on: September 12, 2021, 16:15:02 pm »

Players who are not in the side are often better than those who are.
Agreed, normally the longer they are out the side or the poorer the previous performance the better that player gets.
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« Reply #92 on: September 12, 2021, 16:19:46 pm »


or try a 4-2-3-1:

                         
                              Roberts
                  Macgowan Guthrie Horsfall Koiki

                             McWilliams   Sowerby

            Hoskins/Connolly      Pollock/Flores      Pinnock

                                       Etete

 

Wouldnít be against this
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« Reply #93 on: September 12, 2021, 19:22:24 pm »

Sorry to continue this moany theme but Ö
Iíve never known a big (ish) away crowd to be so quiet. Donít get me wrong Iím not a singer but there really was nothing to get excited about. 100% agree with the comment that the pendulum has swung firmly away from JB and to Cc. That said, I would have been delighted with a 1-0 win to us yesterday!
Keeping focus though, we are only 6 games in and if we had picked up 3 pts from our game in hand we would be 4th.
I did think shipping out Harry was a mistake. He would have been good with a Brady team but letís be realistic, he would have been fcuking ineffectual with the service received from yesterdayís midfield!

The away support was strangely quiet particularly in the second half. Even their goal was almost an anti-climax. Certainly in parts of the second half they looked the better side and made serious inroads on our left flank. The midfield did nothing . Ete must have been poor second half to be removed from the game. Flores is our only creative output we have so he must have been useless first half. Cannot understand why we don't use Connolly/Hoskins and Pinnock as wide players with Ete and Rose as the two strikers as they are the most likely to score...perhaps. In my opinion we need to have 3 midfielders, perhaps McW,Sowerby and Flores. I wouldn't play Okay-Dokey at left back better to have in midfield adding some drive. Currently we appear to be playing a system which does not really function. Be tempted to consider 4-4-2 or even the old 5-3-2! 

So 5-3-2 :

Roberts
McGowan and Villa lad
Guithrie, Horsfall, McWilliams
Hoskins, Kioki, Rose, Ete, Pollock

Of course the two of the forwards would alternatively need to drop back assist the midfield and/or defence and above all collect the ball and pass it! Therein lies the issue. Will need some coaching on positional play! Go back to basics bigtime!
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« Reply #94 on: September 12, 2021, 19:31:55 pm »

I think you raise a good point specifically re Pollock who in my opinion will contribute much more - probably  Iím wrong but I get the impression newer signings will always get more benefit of the doubt selections than young home grown players


With our current crop of midfielders you would have thought that Pollock would have been in the side by now! I suspect that JB  may feel he is too lightweight to make a lot of difference..... just yet. If that is the case I would agree with him.
 
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« Reply #95 on: September 12, 2021, 21:14:49 pm »

i think both Lewis and particularly Flores need to offer much more .
Lewis is pretty much the player we expected but Flores has shown very little so far . Pollock is unlucky not to have been selected in his place.
One of the reasons Smith went was because there were concerns over his knee injury . He was also offered considerably more money by Orient .
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« Reply #96 on: September 13, 2021, 08:00:48 am »

This is not a Brady team, it is a Calderwood team.

I agree with this and it's why we're not seeing the exciting football promised by JB. I'm not knocking it exactly. As others have said, a solid defence should ensure that we pick up points regularly, but we need a balance. We don't attack enough and even when we get decent balls into the box there rarely seems to be a player in the right place to get on the end of anything.
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« Reply #97 on: September 13, 2021, 08:08:17 am »

Isn't it a CC defence, who are doing what they are required to do?
It's the forward facing part of the team that needs addressing, to get the goals that win the games.
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« Reply #98 on: September 13, 2021, 12:02:39 pm »

I simply do not understand the reasons why Sowerby and Pollock are not getting selected.

I didn't go yesterday, listened to Tim. Even his usual excitable style commentary was missing, so it was bloody clear that the game was a bore fest.

I try to avoid picking on certain players, but if someone could tell me what Lewis is bringing to the party Id be very interested? Other than missing a series of sitters last week, I don't recall ever seeing a single significant contribution from him during a phase of play. Maybe I'm being harsh, maybe I haven't got the footballing knowledge to see things that the 'experts' do? Please someone, tell me why he is being picked?!!


I have said before Lewis brings very little, got to be worth giving Sowerby a start?
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« Reply #99 on: September 13, 2021, 13:04:36 pm »

FGR seemed to have a plan and idea of what to do go forward, we simply didn't have a clue.

(trying very hard not to have a go re data recruiting etc, where you would think they would fit easily into the system)

We battled hard and stop them playing quite a bit, but always felt if they clicked they would score.
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