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« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2021, 14:09:57 pm » |
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OAP has a point as the local attendance was down by circa 1000. That’s a lot of support missing! After our recent poor run it seems the side has yet to win the hearts and minds of supporters overall. Be interesting if it was possible to breakdown the reason a) Wet and windy b) Traditional Tuesday attendance c) Poor facilities - the East Stand d) Travel cost and distance e) Poor Oppo f) Personal Reasons g) or perhaps the dreaded apathy factor.
Funnily enough the bloke behind me and OAP admitted it was his first game!
Personally... a, d, e All factors but if not for A, I would have attended.
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« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2021, 14:41:20 pm » |
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Just A for me, I'm not bothered about who the opposition are, Premier League club in the cup excepted of course.
The fact that it was such a bad night weather wise and the lure of watching on ifollow for a tenner would undoubtedly have put some off. The club would surely have expected this.
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« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2021, 14:46:38 pm » |
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I think you only have to look at the East Stand (through your fingers if necessary) to see the reasons behind the drop in attendance. Usually it's at least 60% full of screaming kids, some of whom are there as part of the penalty shootout competition or other similar freebies. They probably all drag at least one parent along on average. Last night it was largely empty because a) they don't do the shootout at night games and b) the match would probably have finished after their bedtimes.
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« Reply #83 on: October 20, 2021, 14:54:00 pm » |
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Personally... a, d, e All factors but if not for A, I would have attended.
You didn’t attend because it was wet and windy?
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« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2021, 15:01:28 pm » |
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You didn’t attend because it was wet and windy?
I didnt attend because its a long way for me to drive, to play an opposition i've seen us play lots who dont excite me, in p1$$ poor conditions. If the weather was reasonable I would probably have attended.
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« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2021, 15:44:00 pm » |
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I didnt attend because its a long way for me to drive, to play an opposition i've seen us play lots who dont excite me, in p1$$ poor conditions. If the weather was reasonable I would probably have attended.
Jesus call yourself a supporter I’m going to get Evers onto you. How far away do you live? Somebody made it from Horsham last night.
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« Reply #86 on: October 20, 2021, 16:15:00 pm » |
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3 games with 4-2-3-1, 2 wins, 6 goals and ironically the best performance we lost.
Let's hope Brady has turned the corner tactically and us finding a settled team.
This. Hoskins and Pinnock are so much better and less predictable in a 4-2-3-1 because they can cut inside and don't have to worry about leaving our full backs exposed. Also the full backs have more freedom because when they burst forward on the overlap one of the DMs (McWilliams and Sowerby) can cover. Etete is showing promising signs of really growing in to the lone striker role but we'll need to be patient. If we can add a creative number 10 in January then I think we could have the makings of a very strong side at this level. The only reason to play 4-4-2 really is if you have two or more really good strikers e.g. when Wilder managed to bring James Collins and John Marquis in to cover Rico's injury in 2015/6. On another note, on the 13 games of evidence so far I'd say that League 2 is significantly weaker than when we were last in it. Only Forest Green (champions elect?) and Rochdale (L1 last year) have really stood out, and the high league position of teams Sutton, Harrogate and Hartlepool suggests that the gap between non-league and L2 is not that huge. Doesn't mean we can cake walk it into the play-offs or the automatics by any means, but I do think there's nothing to fear in this division and we should be giving it a good go. On the other hand, League One seems to get progressively tougher and tougher with big budget giants like Ipswich, Charton and Lincoln languishing towards the bottom. Clearly the long-term goal of sustaining L1 football will require a lot of careful forward planning in terms of recruitment and retention (i.e. giving Horsfall and Roberts a bloody contract ASAP - something local journos should be asking Brady about).
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« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2021, 16:18:32 pm » |
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This. Hoskins and Pinnock are so much better and less predictable in a 4-2-3-1 because they can cut inside and don't have to worry about leaving our full backs exposed. Also the full backs have more freedom because when they burst forward on the overlap one of the DMs (McWilliams and Sowerby) can cover. Etete is showing promising signs of really growing in to the lone striker role but we'll need to be patient.
If we can add a creative number 10 in January then I think we could have the makings of a very strong side at this level.
The only reason to play 4-4-2 really is if you have two or more really good strikers e.g. when Wilder managed to bring James Collins and John Marquis in to cover Rico's injury in 2015/6.
On another note, on the 13 games of evidence so far I'd say that League 2 is significantly weaker than when we were last in it. Only Forest Green (champions elect?) and Rochdale (L1 last year) have really stood out, and the high league position of teams Sutton, Harrogate and Hartlepool suggests that the gap between non-league and L2 is not that huge. Doesn't mean we can cake walk it into the play-offs or the automatics by any means, but I do think there's nothing to fear in this division and we should be giving it a good go.
On the other hand, League One seems to get progressively tougher and tougher with big budget giants like Ipswich, Charton and Lincoln languishing towards the bottom. Clearly the long-term goal of sustaining L1 football will require a lot of careful forward planning in terms of recruitment and retention (i.e. giving Horsfall and Roberts a bloody contract ASAP - something local journos should be asking Brady about).
Spot on Bungle, Pinnock had his best game for us last night.
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« Reply #88 on: October 20, 2021, 16:28:26 pm » |
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OAP has a point as the local attendance was down by circa 1000. That’s a lot of support missing! After our recent poor run it seems the side has yet to win the hearts and minds of supporters overall. Be interesting if it was possible to breakdown the reason a) Wet and windy b) Traditional Tuesday attendance c) Poor facilities - the East Stand d) Travel cost and distance e) Poor Oppo f) Personal Reasons g) or perhaps the dreaded apathy factor.
Funnily enough the bloke behind me and OAP admitted it was his first game!
add the Champions League onto that list I was surprised at how dramatic the drop was in attendances - maybe the club should do midweek promos - particularly when they follow a home Saturday
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« Reply #89 on: October 20, 2021, 16:39:25 pm » |
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This. Hoskins and Pinnock are so much better and less predictable in a 4-2-3-1 because they can cut inside and don't have to worry about leaving our full backs exposed. Also the full backs have more freedom because when they burst forward on the overlap one of the DMs (McWilliams and Sowerby) can cover. Etete is showing promising signs of really growing in to the lone striker role but we'll need to be patient.
If we can add a creative number 10 in January then I think we could have the makings of a very strong side at this level.
The only reason to play 4-4-2 really is if you have two or more really good strikers e.g. when Wilder managed to bring James Collins and John Marquis in to cover Rico's injury in 2015/6.
On another note, on the 13 games of evidence so far I'd say that League 2 is significantly weaker than when we were last in it. Only Forest Green (champions elect?) and Rochdale (L1 last year) have really stood out, and the high league position of teams Sutton, Harrogate and Hartlepool suggests that the gap between non-league and L2 is not that huge. Doesn't mean we can cake walk it into the play-offs or the automatics by any means, but I do think there's nothing to fear in this division and we should be giving it a good go.
On the other hand, League One seems to get progressively tougher and tougher with big budget giants like Ipswich, Charton and Lincoln languishing towards the bottom. Clearly the long-term goal of sustaining L1 football will require a lot of careful forward planning in terms of recruitment and retention (i.e. giving Horsfall and Roberts a bloody contract ASAP - something local journos should be asking Brady about).
i hate to sound like a parrot here but …. it’s not as simple as offering Horsfall and Roberts contracts - they will have been spotted by wealthier ( not better ) clubs and tapped up already . I doubt either will be here next season . A contract restricts their options considerably .
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« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2021, 17:30:10 pm » |
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i hate to sound like a parrot here but …. it’s not as simple as offering Horsfall and Roberts contracts - they will have been spotted by wealthier ( not better ) clubs and tapped up already . I doubt either will be here next season . A contract restricts their options considerably .
So you reckon Roberts has been 'tapped up' a mere 13 games after being released as surplus to requirements by L2 Walsall..... If all clubs were this defeatist no one would ever end up keeping anyone (Arsenal would have lost Aubameyang for instance). Better clubs are more proactive and don't wait until the end of the season to offer a new contract. Football is an insecure career and a long term contract at a club who value you (with a decent release clause/incentives thrown in) is a big draw for most lower league players.
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« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2021, 18:13:31 pm » |
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Jesus call yourself a supporter I’m going to get Evers onto you. How far away do you live? Somebody made it from Horsham last night.
At least he normally goes. Approximately 750, 000 other people in the county don't, or if you like the best part of 220, 000 who actually live in the town. Very poor.
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« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2021, 18:21:34 pm » |
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At least he normally goes. Approximately 750, 000 other people in the county don't, or if you like the best part of 220, 000 who actually live in the town. Very poor. This subject is nearly taboo for me😎.
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« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2021, 18:36:40 pm » |
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So you reckon Roberts has been 'tapped up' a mere 13 games after being released as surplus to requirements by L2 Walsall.....
If all clubs were this defeatist no one would ever end up keeping anyone (Arsenal would have lost Aubameyang for instance). Better clubs are more proactive and don't wait until the end of the season to offer a new contract. Football is an insecure career and a long term contract at a club who value you (with a decent release clause/incentives thrown in) is a big draw for most lower league players.
In terms of both the players you mentioned i would say yes . Tapped up may not be the correct expression but awareness of who is paying what and who would be interested before you sign another contract - 100% for definite .
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« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2021, 18:50:58 pm » |
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In terms of both the players you mentioned i would say yes . Tapped up may not be the correct expression but awareness of who is paying what and who would be interested before you sign another contract - 100% for definite .
Just imagine if our owners were interested? The sooner the current owners are gone the better.
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« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2021, 19:21:14 pm » |
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This. Hoskins and Pinnock are so much better and less predictable in a 4-2-3-1 because they can cut inside and don't have to worry about leaving our full backs exposed. Also the full backs have more freedom because when they burst forward on the overlap one of the DMs (McWilliams and Sowerby) can cover. Etete is showing promising signs of really growing in to the lone striker role but we'll need to be patient.
If we can add a creative number 10 in January then I think we could have the makings of a very strong side at this level.
The only reason to play 4-4-2 really is if you have two or more really good strikers e.g. when Wilder managed to bring James Collins and John Marquis in to cover Rico's injury in 2015/6.
On another note, on the 13 games of evidence so far I'd say that League 2 is significantly weaker than when we were last in it. Only Forest Green (champions elect?) and Rochdale (L1 last year) have really stood out, and the high league position of teams Sutton, Harrogate and Hartlepool suggests that the gap between non-league and L2 is not that huge. Doesn't mean we can cake walk it into the play-offs or the automatics by any means, but I do think there's nothing to fear in this division and we should be giving it a good go.
On the other hand, League One seems to get progressively tougher and tougher with big budget giants like Ipswich, Charton and Lincoln languishing towards the bottom. Clearly the long-term goal of sustaining L1 football will require a lot of careful forward planning in terms of recruitment and retention (i.e. giving Horsfall and Roberts a bloody contract ASAP - something local journos should be asking Brady about).
Perhaps a true reflection of our system and players will be played out this Saturday, it’s 5th v 6th!
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« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2021, 21:51:50 pm » |
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Sowerby returning to fitness would have helped Brady's decision to move to the current formation.
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