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« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2021, 22:04:38 pm »

You really are incapable of combining reading with comprehension arenít you

Let me try to make it clearer for you

Itís not subjective to say, for example the Romans were considerably more advanced than the Brits at the time of the Roman Empire- itís an indisputable fact.
I appreciate when someone answers you with facts you rush to Google to try and make a clever comment but examples  are examples by definition and donít include all cases and Iím not ignoring Hellenic or indeed any number of far reaching historical empires as for folks with a modicum of intelligence it was not necessary to publish a long list to illustrate a point.

Facts are an anathema to some on this forum and probably rightly so. You could at least have inserted 'The Hellenic' age as part of your argument. The trouble with your method of argument is that your facts are inevitably subjective by nature. In my opinion you are here to bore people with outlandish loony left wing pronouncements and in the process doing more harm to the aspirations of the Labour Party of Gaitskell, Wilson and Atlee; even Starmer. Your claim of a more established society in Egypt and Rome as opposed to 18/19th Century Great Britain is as subjective to the point of ridicule. 
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« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2021, 08:54:32 am »

Your claim of a more established society in Egypt and Rome as opposed to 18/19th Century Great Britain is as subjective to the point of ridicule. 

Which sadly once again shows your inability to read - at no time did I compare Egypt and Rome to the 18/19th century - my comparison was ďat the timeĒ the Romans were conquering a large part of the world and the Egyptians were building pyramids (which just to help you, was a few years before the 18th Century).
 This comparison, by far more learned scholars than either you or me is not conjecture or opinion but is in fact reality  based on a myriad of definitions on what constitutes advanced civilisations.

Iím tempted to quote Monty Python on this one but I wonít 😀.

Please also help me with even one actual example of an outlandish Loony left pronouncement- or are you making that up as well?

There is really no point in engaging in a discussion with me if you are incapable of comprehension of fairly basic English.
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« Reply #62 on: January 01, 2022, 15:05:24 pm »

When people make statements like this Iíd love to know the countries they have actually travelled too - my experience is the  the vast majority of the worldís population that have any knowledge of the British actually love and respect us - sadly the respect is starting to diminish but much more due to recent actions rather than any of the rights or wrongs of the British Empire.

Couldn't agree more with this having spent well over half my life working overseas, one of the biggest wave of change in feelings towards the UK came when the war criminal Blair licked Bush's Šrse and took us into an illegal war.
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« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2022, 15:18:34 pm »

Couldn't agree more with this having spent well over half my life working overseas, one of the biggest wave of change in feelings towards the UK came when the war criminal Blair licked Bush's Šrse and took us into an illegal war.
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« Reply #64 on: January 01, 2022, 17:28:42 pm »

Couldn't agree more with this having spent well over half my life working overseas, one of the biggest wave of change in feelings towards the UK came when the war criminal Blair licked Bush's árse and took us into an illegal war.

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« Reply #65 on: January 01, 2022, 17:46:58 pm »

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« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2022, 12:23:31 pm »

Couldn't agree more with this having spent well over half my life working overseas, one of the biggest wave of change in feelings towards the UK came when the war criminal Blair licked Bush's Šrse and took us into an illegal war.

Good spot mate - I expected people to latch onto my comment and start a pro/anti Brexit cause and reason (although it hasnít helped), but that certainly was not the start of the decline in respect for the UK. I still to this day cannot understand Blairís motives. Just to put a little balance into the discussion though, Cameronís intervention in Libya, whilst less publicised had massive negative consequences.
Nonetheless taking all the above into account I still feel there is considerable respect and liking for the British people worldwide.
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« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2022, 13:00:48 pm »

Good spot mate - I expected people to latch onto my comment and start a pro/anti Brexit cause and reason (although it hasn’t helped), but that certainly was not the start of the decline in respect for the UK. I still to this day cannot understand Blair’s motives. Just to put a little balance into the discussion though, Cameron’s intervention in Libya, whilst less publicised had massive negative consequences.
Nonetheless taking all the above into account I still feel there is considerable respect and liking for the British people worldwide.

Strangely enough my Arab friends had a very positive take on the Libya intervention, Gadaffi didn't have many friends in the Arab World.
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« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2022, 14:29:03 pm »

Strangely enough my Arab friends had a very positive take on the Libya intervention, Gadaffi didn't have many friends in the Arab World.

Agreed, but also there were plenty of Middle East nations that were quite happy to see Saddam toppled. I think the real point, whilst we don't like some of the despots running these countries, short term intervention to try and bring about western style democracies simply doesn't work. These despots tend to control a myriad of warring factions (typically with an iron fist) and sadly without this control the normal outcome is protracted civil war
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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2022, 20:09:15 pm »

Agreed, but also there were plenty of Middle East nations that were quite happy to see Saddam toppled. I think the real point, whilst we don't like some of the despots running these countries, short term intervention to try and bring about western style democracies simply doesn't work. These despots tend to control a myriad of warring factions (typically with an iron fist) and sadly without this control the normal outcome is protracted civil war

Bear in mind that the anti Saddam campaign was led by the Kuwaitis and the Saudis. Saddam had a very legitimate reason to invade Kuwait. They were stealing Iraqi oil and he had warned them on many occasions about this.
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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2022, 11:00:43 am »

Bear in mind that the anti Saddam campaign was led by the Kuwaitis and the Saudis. Saddam had a very legitimate reason to invade Kuwait. They were stealing Iraqi oil and he had warned them on many occasions about this.

Yes, I had a friend in Kuwait at the time and was very aware of the risk (he actually had to flee Kuwait with a young family driving all the way to ****stan via back roads in Iraq) - good to discuss with someone who has knowledge beyond the politically driven media headlines or peopleís own political bias.
Back to Tony Blair - I still think for the majority of his terms he was a descent Prime Minister - unfortunately the Iraq decision was a terrible mistake (Did he deliberately lie or was he misinformed? - people will make their own minds up on that) either way, the consequences were terrible for so many people and for that alone the knighthood seems entirely inappropriate.
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« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2022, 20:19:53 pm »

Yes, I had a friend in Kuwait at the time and was very aware of the risk (he actually had to flee Kuwait with a young family driving all the way to ****stan via back roads in Iraq) - good to discuss with someone who has knowledge beyond the politically driven media headlines or people’s own political bias.
Back to Tony Blair - I still think for the majority of his terms he was a descent Prime Minister - unfortunately the Iraq decision was a terrible mistake (Did he deliberately lie or was he misinformed? - people will make their own minds up on that) either way, the consequences were terrible for so many people and for that alone the knighthood seems entirely inappropriate.

In Bahrain they built a whole new town for Kuwaiti refugees, mind you it did cost Kuwait and Saudi some oil concessions later in the day.
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« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2022, 21:36:39 pm »

Good spot mate - I expected people to latch onto my comment and start a pro/anti Brexit cause and reason (although it hasnít helped), but that certainly was not the start of the decline in respect for the UK. I still to this day cannot understand Blairís motives. Just to put a little balance into the discussion though, Cameronís intervention in Libya, whilst less publicised had massive negative consequences.
Nonetheless taking all the above into account I still feel there is considerable respect and liking for the British people worldwide.
His motive was fundamental Christianity. He saw it as "Good V Bad". A continuation of the Crusades. Never trust anyone prone to believing superstition.
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