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East Stand Development Poll

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Question: Considering everything we know, what would be your preference with the east stand?  (Voting closed: February 22, 2022, 10:12:05 am)
KT/DB to finish as per latest drawings as soon as possible - 35 (59.3%)
KT/DB to finish but reconsider / revisit knocking it down and starting from scratch. Happy with the delay that may cause - 16 (27.1%)
KT/DB should sell the club for a value that suits all parties (ie not £1) - 2 (3.4%)
KT/DB should sell the club to a 3rd party for £1 - 0 (0%)
KT/DB should sell the club to the trust / fan consortium for £1 - 6 (10.2%)
Total Voters: 53

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« on: February 15, 2022, 10:12:05 am »

I'm reluctant to start another thread that will recreate the development one but interested in peoples thoughts. Admin, maybe leave it for a week and then lock it? I've set the poll time to 7 days.
I've tried to be as fair as possible with the question and options so hopefully cover most bases.
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2022, 10:54:29 am »

Surely knocking it down and starting again is everybodys ideal solution but I'm sure KT has said in the past that it just was not financially viable and therefore Option 2 is a non starter.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2022, 10:58:55 am »

I'm reluctant to start another thread that will recreate the development one but interested in peoples thoughts. Admin, maybe leave it for a week and then lock it? I've set the poll time to 7 days.
I've tried to be as fair as possible with the question and options so hopefully cover most bases.

Voted for item 2 as would prefer some discussion on some of the design features. With discussion on North and South Stands as well. However all construction work would have to be completed by late June 2022.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2022, 10:59:09 am »

Surely knocking it down and starting again is everybodys ideal solution but I'm sure KT has said in the past that it just was not financially viable and therefore Option 2 is a non starter.
It was raised in the meeting between the Trust and the council that as things have changed with covid and the industry that it could be viable again as prices have changed. They mentioned a demolition contract that had gone for £1.
But that's why I added the time delay bit. Its going to take time to do the investigation and then if they chose to change things delays with the actual construction time as well as the time to change all the plans etc. Is there an appetite for more delays but for something that will potentially be better?
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2022, 11:07:15 am »

Sorry London, have reread your post and the questions, not trying to be picky. I still just find it incredible that plans could be signed off not just for reduced facilities and capacity but in the knowledge that it would stymie further development. I suppose that, amongst other astonishing happenings, is why we have 1557 pages on the development thread.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2022, 11:11:59 am »

Surely knocking it down and starting again is everybodys ideal solution but I'm sure KT has said in the past that it just was not financially viable and therefore Option 2 is a non starter.

The poll says revisiting the proposal and would use that to consider enhancements. Rather than blindly get on with it! If it is revisited and still approved that’s fine by me!
Like the Trust Vote on last item!  Shocked
LC you should have asked voters to identify their vote by forum ID?
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2022, 12:14:10 pm »

The poll says revisiting the proposal and would use that to consider enhancements. Rather than blindly get on with it! If it is revisited and still approved that’s fine by me!
Like the Trust Vote on last item!  Shocked
LC you should have asked voters to identify their vote by forum ID?
Haha I'm sure we can decipher some. Lots of people (myself included) share our opinions both for and against but seems to be a lot of members who don't contribute to the discussion (I fully get why!!) but was just curious that's all. I've tried to reflect most of the options from the discussions. Its not going to influence anything
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2022, 13:13:15 pm »

Voted for item 2 as would prefer some discussion on some of the design features. With discussion on North and South Stands as well. However all construction work would have to be completed by late June 2022.

Blimey Evers, can I borrow those builders after they’ve knocked all that up?  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2022, 14:14:56 pm »

Sorry London, have reread your post and the questions, not trying to be picky. I still just find it incredible that plans could be signed off not just for reduced facilities and capacity but in the knowledge that it would stymie further development. I suppose that, amongst other astonishing happenings, is why we have 1557 pages on the development thread.
I think it was an interesting point.
The option doesn't allow for clarity if people who voted for 2 fundamentally don't want the current design, or if they simply want the club to revisit the option and press ahead with the current designs if still not feasible. I would guess the latter though.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2022, 14:16:13 pm »

Evers builders can build the East Stand quicker than you can say "where's that £10 million quid gone?" Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2022, 14:30:00 pm »

I'm guessing most people would like to see the East Stand demolished and rebuilt as per the artists impressions we were shown years ago, with two tiers of seats and the corporate boxes all across the back.
Hopefully the financial practicalities have been fully explored, because while that may be expensive now it would surely increase the potential earnings in the future.

If we can't have our dream of a silk purse lets at least have a very smart pigs ear!
Get the bloody thing finished!
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2022, 15:32:27 pm »

I'm guessing most people would like to see the East Stand demolished and rebuilt as per the artists impressions we were shown years ago, with two tiers of seats and the corporate boxes all across the back.
Hopefully the financial practicalities have been fully explored, because while that may be expensive now it would surely increase the potential earnings in the future.

If we can't have our dream of a silk purse lets at least have a very smart pigs ear!
Get the bloody thing finished!

If they intend to carry on building it with those seats getting only partial views of the pitch I'd rather they didn't bother.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2022, 15:47:47 pm »

Can’t we just leave it as it is and just add 800 deckchairs around the perimeter of the pitch?
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2022, 16:06:04 pm »

This puts some ‘colour' to the question the club asked re the development plans and the 97% ‘positive’ response; a good percentage on here are unhappy with the offering on the table. If only Cilldara’s bid included a fit for purpose, two tier structure........  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2022, 16:12:02 pm »

This puts some ‘colour' to the question the club asked re the development plans and the 97% ‘positive’ response; a good percentage on here are unhappy with the offering on the table. If only Cilldara’s bid included a fit for purpose, two tier structure........  Smiley
Spot on, KT’s 97% was a binary question entitled do you want the stand finished, it is yet another example of the endless trail of smoke, mirrors and spin, unfortunately I think people can now see through it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2022, 16:21:28 pm »

Surely knocking it down and starting again is everybodys ideal solution but I'm sure KT has said in the past that it just was not financially viable and therefore Option 2 is a non starter.

The bit perhaps that makes it not financially viable is to do with the ownership of the steel. I believe there is some deal in place where Buckingham Group still have a hold on proceedings, therefore they technically may still own the framework. Buckingham originally called for CDNL to be wound up but accepted the Company Voluntary agreement which came later, as their 2.9m votes (based n the amount owed) trumped the Councils 900k.....

If it (the steel) was "ours" ie the clubs, there is decent value in the current structure and actually ripping it down and selling it could be cost neutral on that basis.

The thing is, it will take a lot more than £3m to build us the two tiered exec box laden vision that would be acceptable to everyone.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2022, 16:35:40 pm »

This is what we should have got with the missing 10mil...





This is what DC wanted to give us with the loose change...PLUS part of West stand on stilts!  Grin





And this is what KT/DB will give us after no alternative, other than to work with the current carcus...







So, considering they are polishing a turd, I don't think it looks too shoddy all things considered!







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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2022, 16:55:49 pm »

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/buckingham-sues-client-on-stalled-stadium-project

As per the pictures above..... what first started out as an £8m scheme which would have got us picture 1 was then amended to a £4.1m scheme which would have seen us get picture 2.

The article states that CDNL accepted liability for £2.989m... I wonder whether CDNL of today is still liable for that?
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2022, 16:59:00 pm »

Whisper it softly, but I actually like the proposed designs. They look neat, tidy and quite smart. Yes, a second tier would have been preferable but that particular bird has long since flown.
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2022, 17:16:14 pm »

Whisper it softly, but I actually like the proposed designs. They look neat, tidy and quite smart. Yes, a second tier would have been preferable but that particular bird has long since flown.

They are ok for League 2......can't imagine away fans in that stand underneath the boxes should we need an overspill in future though (League 1)
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