War

[Bingers]

It matters not, you lost FACT, time to rebuild the empire, did you know at the turn of the last century 25% of the world’s population were British.
It seems via illegal migration we are trying to emulate this statistic 

If we did allow citizens of all the countries that had at some point been British, to have British citizenship, ie, rebuild the Empire, that would solve a lot of the small boats issue. Most of those wanting to come here would be legally allowed to, so could just get on a plane or ferry. That would look good on the statistics. It would also help to solve the problem of not enough workers prepared to do difficult jobs for low pay. Perhaps suggest it to your mate Mr Sunak. Mind you, the majority of these people will not be white, so the right of the party probably won't like it.

[Manwork04]

If we did allow citizens of all the countries that had at some point been British, to have British citizenship, ie, rebuild the Empire, that would solve a lot of the small boats issue. Most of those wanting to come here would be legally allowed to, so could just get on a plane or ferry. That would look good on the statistics. It would also help to solve the problem of not enough workers prepared to do difficult jobs for low pay. Perhaps suggest it to your mate Mr Sunak. Mind you, the majority of these people will not be white, so the right of the party probably won't like it.

Surely you not inferring that we exploit these people by getting them to do difficult jobs for low pay comrade Bingers?

[Bingers]

Surely you not inferring that we exploit these people by getting them to do difficult jobs for low pay comrade Bingers?

Excellent Comrade Manny, I knew that you would come around to my way of thinking.



Obviously different jobs attract different rates of pay, but as long as all pay a realistic living wage, that is fine by me.

[DavCobb]

Obviously different jobs attract different rates of pay, but as long as all pay a realistic living wage, that is fine by me.

I’m not sure what realistic living wage is anymore. My team all earn around £36k a year. Some may have not made the greatest life choices but at least half of them live month to month, with half a dozen hardship cases. Don’t they reckon a couple need £50k a year in retirement now to have a good standard of living? I can never work that one out, assuming they haven’t got a mortgage.

[Manwork04]

I’m not sure what realistic living wage is anymore. My team all earn around £36k a year. Some may have not made the greatest life choices but at least half of them live month to month, with half a dozen hardship cases. Don’t they reckon a couple need £50k a year in retirement now to have a good standard of living? I can never work that one out, assuming they haven’t got a mortgage.

I spend more than that on the Buckie.

[CobblerForever]

Don’t they reckon a couple need £50k a year in retirement now to have a good standard of living?

My elderly parents lived very well on between £20k and £25k for many years. (roughly 1997 to 2015). They owned their own 2 bedroom bungalow and paid full whack Rates. I had an intimate knowledge of their finances as I looked after that area for them as Dad's sight, hearing and ability to cope with anything requiring proper analytical consideration declined. They also owned several Fiat Pandas over that time (no access to public transport for local needs).

[DavCobb]

I spend more than that on the Buckie.

I think half of my lot do too.

[Deepcut Cobbler]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001xr50

Worth a watch, in fact I recommend it.
War is not a game, most of those shown were recently trained in the UK.
The only difference to previous wars, is the use of drones, which are used to good effect..

[Manwork04]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001xr50

Worth a watch, in fact I recommend it.
War is not a game, most of those shown were recently trained in the UK.
The only difference to previous wars, is the use of drones, which are used to good effect..

Emmmm I watch it the other night, Ukraine are massively outnumbered and outgunned with hardly any decent weapons, artillery and air support.
It’s definitely not a game, if you’ve got the stomach for it watch 20 days in Mariupol, truly shocking.
https://20daysinmariupol.com/

[EB Claret]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001xr50

Worth a watch, in fact I recommend it.
War is not a game, most of those shown were recently trained in the UK.
The only difference to previous wars, is the use of drones, which are used to good effect..

Unfortunately by both sides.

[Peter Frost]

3 British heroes die and the world is rightly outraged but the 30,000 civilians killed prior to that are met with mute muttering from the world and if you have the temerity to protest on the IDF actions you are a Hamas sympathiser - if you ever needed an example that in the western world brown lives are less important than white ones here it is.

…..& before the usual suspects start - Hamas’s actions in October were truly disgusting but the response is in no way proportional, it’s not about freeing hostages (ask their relatives) but the perfect excuse to rid Israel of it’s problem, with scant regard to any sense of humanity.

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

if you ever needed an example that in the western world brown lives are less important than white ones here it is.

Is there not an argument Pete, that you could flip this analogy, depending on what nationality one is?

I'm not sure it is necessarily about colour. I am sure it is about strategic importance to the west. And who the west view as most likely to present a threat to them. Albeit accurate or not.

[Manwork04]

Victory to Israel 🇮🇱

* mercenaries in war zones can get killed.

[Peter Frost]

Victory to Israel 🇮🇱

* mercenaries in war zones can get killed.

.....beneath contempt, no longer right wing banter - you are truly a horrible person.

[Peter Frost]

Is there not an argument Pete, that you could flip this analogy, depending on what nationality one is?

I'm not sure it is necessarily about colour. I am sure it is about strategic importance to the west. And who the west view as most likely to present a threat to them. Albeit accurate or not.

Fair point and I agree, less about colour more a case of just not like us - be it race, religion, language or wealth.

 

[Worthless Recluse]

.....beneath contempt, no longer right wing banter - you are truly a horrible person.

The three dead Brits were being paid to provide a security service for a humanitarian charity. They themselves weren't primarily driven by the same ideal as those they were protecting.
Very sad though it is.

[Peter Frost]

The three dead Brits were being paid to provide a security service for a humanitarian charity. They themselves weren't primarily driven by the same ideal as those they were protecting.
Very sad though it is.

.....but hardly mercenaries, & leaving that aside there are dozens of NGO staff that are following those ideals (simply helping those that are suffering) that are being killed and injured by the indiscriminate bombing of the IDF.

[Worthless Recluse]

.....but hardly mercenaries, & leaving that aside there are dozens of NGO staff that are following those ideals (simply helping those that are suffering) that are being killed and injured by the indiscriminate bombing of the IDF.

But they were there for private gain and they will have been carrying guns that they would have been prepared to use.
I don't condone the actions of the IDF, quite the opposite, what they are doing in my opinion is reprehensible. Someone with considerable authority needs to point Bibi in the right moral direction and make him understand that whoever you are and whatever history says, the atrocities in Gaza need to stop.

[Peter Frost]

But they were there for private gain and they will have been carrying guns that they would have been prepared to use.
I don't condone the actions of the IDF, quite the opposite, what they are doing in my opinion is reprehensible. Someone with considerable authority needs to point Bibi in the right moral direction and make him understand that whoever you are and whatever history says, the atrocities in Gaza need to stop.

Don't disagree with anything you say here - my point was never really about the 3 Brits killed - it was the irony with 30,000 plus deaths (mainly civilians) countries only ramp up their concern when some of their own are killed or injured.

[Manwork04]

.....beneath contempt, no longer right wing banter - you are truly a horrible person.

I’ve been called worse, they were mercenaries paid to protect the charity workers, tragic though it is and I have huge sympathy for the families, they were entering one of the most dangerous parts of the world, and must have accepted the risks, they would be on a 3 month tour earning about £150k ! Unfortunately they didn’t communicate their whereabouts to the IDF and were killed, it was a tragic accident but that’s the risk you take.