War

[DavCobb]

I knew this thread would have legs when I started it. 

Wonder how many have landed this time?

[singcobb]

The Israelis have the capability to obliterate the Iranians, foolhardy actions by them, they've been played good and proper by the Israeli's this time.

The question being is it just sabre rattling or will they fire something bigger next time?

[Tabasco Kid]

I suppose that we will have to wait until tomorrow, to see the full extent of the damage, but it does initially seem that tonights attack hasnt caused a significant amount of damage.
One thing is certain though, Israel will respond hard. Iran may have just made a massive mistake.

[Manwork04]

I suppose that we will have to wait until tomorrow, to see the full extent of the damage, but it does initially seem that tonights attack hasnt caused a significant amount of damage.
One thing is certain though, Israel will respond hard. Iran may have just made a massive mistake.

Victory to Israel
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[DavCobb]

Not sure what Iran are playing at. The Yanks will know they are letting off their fireworks before they light the touch paper. I’m sure they are about to be neutralised on a larger scale.

[Tabasco Kid]

Not sure what Iran are playing at. The Yanks will know they are letting off their fireworks before they light the touch paper. I’m sure they are about to be neutralised on a larger scale.

The Mullahs are about to find out that the costs outweigh the gains. And the usual sorry suspects will bleat about disproportionate response. Once again, if you poke a dog with a stick, he doesnt poke back. He fukcing bites you.

[DavCobb]

The Mullahs are about to find out that the costs outweigh the gains. And the usual sorry suspects will bleat about disproportionate response. Once again, if you poke a dog with a stick, he doesnt poke back. He fukcing bites you.

Never mind that. When are the petrol prices going up again? 

You'll always struggle to battle the power of martyrdom. Rationale thinking and potential consequences are low down on the list of decision making.

[BackOfTheNet]

The whole situation is difficult to assess.

Hamas were immeasurably in the wrong to carry out the initial attacks, which were clearly designed to provoke a response.

Israel then were fully justified in going after Hamas, but inevitably went too far.

Then Israel launch the whole exploding gadgets shenanigans and fire off a load of missiles, causing a lot of collateral deaths but then throw up their arms in moral outrage when Hezbollah fire a load back.

I think it's naive to "pick a side" and decide who's right and who's wrong because it's really not a binary question, more a case of "who is being the biggest c*** at the moment?"

[DavCobb]

I don't mind admitting that I had to read a lot of history to understand the full background and events during this ongoing conflict. The history of any war(s) is interesting if nothing else.
Whilst Russia and China are urging everyone to 'calm' down, the overriding support will be for Israel. Whether these attacks are signposted or not, the intel sounds immense so they are on a hiding to nothing. You just have to feel for all the poor innocent people and human cost on all sides. 

[Manwork04]

The whole situation is difficult to assess.

Hamas were immeasurably in the wrong to carry out the initial attacks, which were clearly designed to provoke a response.

Israel then were fully justified in going after Hamas, but inevitably went too far.

Then Israel launch the whole exploding gadgets shenanigans and fire off a load of missiles, causing a lot of collateral deaths but then throw up their arms in moral outrage when Hezbollah fire a load back.

I think it's naive to "pick a side" and decide who's right and who's wrong because it's really not a binary question, more a case of "who is being the biggest c*** at the moment?"

Hezbollah have been firing rockets into northern Israel since October 7th, they are Irans proxy and a prescribed terrorist organisation, they will be wiped off the face of the earth.

[DrillingCobbler]

I know very very few people who are blindly on the side of Israel, who all of our mainstream politicians side with for £/trade reasons. AKA most of the west. Which is what its all about 

They are all a bunch of intolerable w@nkers and quite frankly Id let them all get on with it with zero involvement from our forces (other than shooting down missiles which is fine because its an attempt to actually save lives).

I've also read up an awful lot about the history etc and it really is so complicated, I couldn't even start to take a side.

Iran launching their cheap selection box of fireworks bought from the local newsagent will achieve nothing other than to give the Israeli's an excuse to smash them to pieces with their display standard rockets and kill loads of their population like they have done with the Palestinians. They will no doubt be loving the thought of it and it wont be long before we see their entirely predicable flexing of the muscles.

Is Jimmy Floyd H in charge of the Iranian tactics or perhaps its Rob Page?

[singcobb]

I do wonder if the lack of involvement from those countries surrounding the situation in Palestine have sat back waiting for Iran to act and to be taken out of the picture. Iran is not a favourite among the Arab countries apart from Yemen and Qatar.

[Peter Frost]

I think to unequivocally support all of Israel‘s action or indeed Iran‘s (if anyone actually does the latter) shows a massive ignorance of the complexity of the situation 70 plus years in the making.

It’s kind of ironic that the more strident right wingers do in fact unequivocally support Israel when their predecessors of a similar likeness were kicking the s*** out of Jews - but of course one of the controlling mechanisms of the feeble minded is to create a common enemy and the Zionist media has in the west successfully positioned Muslims as the common enemy.

Having worked in Israel over many years I have a lot of sympathy for them and the security threats they face on a permanent basis, although the disgraceful way some treat the Arabs in both the West Bank and Gaza does not help their case. Equally the militant/fundermentalist views and actions of those groups in Gaza and Lebanon do their cause no favours either - but again anyone who has lived in a Muslim country with confirm the vast majority of people do not hold these fundamentalist views.

So when idiots make simplistic statement on victory perhaps they should be reminded it will be the Israeli conscripts and their families, Lebanese, Iranian and Palestinian citizens who will bear the pain of this conflict & certainly not the individual who pull the strings - there is no victory for anyone in the foreseeable future.

[Manwork04]

I think to unequivocally support all of Israel‘s action or indeed Iran‘s (if anyone actually does the latter) shows a massive ignorance of the complexity of the situation 70 plus years in the making.

It’s kind of ironic that the more strident right wingers do in fact unequivocally support Israel when their predecessors of a similar likeness were kicking the s*** out of Jews - but of course one of the controlling mechanisms of the feeble minded is to create a common enemy and the Zionist media has in the west successfully positioned Muslims as the common enemy.

Having worked in Israel over many years I have a lot of sympathy for them and the security threats they face on a permanent basis, although the disgraceful way some treat the Arabs in both the West Bank and Gaza does not help their case. Equally the militant/fundermentalist views and actions of those groups in Gaza and Lebanon do their cause no favours either - but again anyone who has lived in a Muslim country with confirm the vast majority of people do not hold these fundamentalist views.

So when idiots make simplistic statement on victory perhaps they should be reminded it will be the Israeli conscripts and their families, Lebanese, Iranian and Palestinian citizens who will bear the pain of this conflict & certainly not the individual who pull the strings - there is no victory for anyone in the foreseeable future.

It’s not complex at all, you either support terrorists or Israel’s right to defend itself.
Just to reset your thoughts and educate you, Nazis we’re National Socialists, the clue is in the name.

[Peter Frost]

It’s not complex at all, you either support terrorists or Israel’s right to defend itself.
Just to reset your thoughts and educate you, Nazis we’re National Socialists, the clue is in the name.

……illustrates my point perfectly- bigots rarely have the intellectual or emotional capacity to evaluate nuanced issue and like to keep it simple. If as you say you have worked with the Israeli government then you will of course have been exposed to a certain point of view - come back when you have educated yourself by listening and understanding what life is really like as an Arab in Gaza or the West Bank - and before you misrepresent me or only answer the points that suit you none of what I said justifies rocket or terrorist attacks that have prevailed for decades but killing 10‘s of thousands civilians is not the answer. The radical right wing of Israel genuinely believe 1000 Arab lives are not even worth 1 Israeli life - is that a philosophy you believe in?

[singcobb]

……illustrates my point perfectly- bigots rarely have the intellectual or emotional capacity to evaluate nuanced issue and like to keep it simple. If as you say you have worked with the Israeli government then you will of course have been exposed to a certain point of view - come back when you have educated yourself by listening and understanding what life is really like as an Arab in Gaza or the West Bank - and before you misrepresent me or only answer the points that suit you none of what I said justifies rocket or terrorist attacks that have prevailed for decades but killing 10‘s of thousands civilians is not the answer. The radical right wing of Israel genuinely believe 1000 Arab lives are not even worth 1 Israeli life - is that a philosophy you believe in?

The gift that keeps giving 

[Peter Frost]

The gift that keeps giving 

Yes i really should stop - no one ever changed their opinion on an internet forum discussion- still passes the time waiting for a delayed flight.

[Peter Frost]

So here‘s another question Manny - Israel justified their initial actions in Lebanon so citizens could return to their towns and villages in the North without the threat of rocket attacks - I think that is a reasonable cause of action but I find it somewhat strange that in the West Bank settlers are stealing property and land, murdering the owners all under the watch and protection of the IDF - help me to understand why both sets of actions are correct?

[Tabasco Kid]

So here‘s another question Manny - Israel justified their initial actions in Lebanon so citizens could return to their towns and villages in the North without the threat of rocket attacks - I think that is a reasonable cause of action but I find it somewhat strange that in the West Bank settlers are stealing property and land, murdering the owners all under the watch and protection of the IDF - help me to understand why both sets of actions are correct?

I thought that you were not going to react to Manny anymore? 

Personally I’ve now made a decision to no longer engage in any further communication with his bigotry however irritating it is.

[Manwork04]

So here‘s another question Manny - Israel justified their initial actions in Lebanon so citizens could return to their towns and villages in the North without the threat of rocket attacks - I think that is a reasonable cause of action but I find it somewhat strange that in the West Bank settlers are stealing property and land, murdering the owners all under the watch and protection of the IDF - help me to understand why both sets of actions are correct?

I am not sure what the settlements in the West Bank have to do with Iran trying to wipe out Israel?
As I previously schooled you on, you either support Israel and it’s right to defend its borders and people or you support terrorists.