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« Reply #820 on: June 22, 2022, 15:54:22 pm »

I disagree there. I think in Guthrie and Horsfall we had a partnership that was greater than the sum of its parts. Those pairings are hard to find so I'd do all I could to keep him. I'm resigned to him leaving, but I think he'll be a big loss.

Precisely; itís the partnership with Guthrie which has worked so well for us last season. He takes a risk going to Stockport as partnerships are made over the season not by convenient local moves aided by easy money! Also think Roberts has made a poor move - moving to a club with two keepers. So for him money is probably the main reason not his career!
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« Reply #821 on: June 22, 2022, 15:56:45 pm »

Great business so far especially when you consider the swaps:

Fox for Lewis
Haynes for Mills
Hylton for Rose
Burge for Roberts

On paper, all look like potential upgrades ( or in the case of GK, equals... but could argue that all would have taken Burge over Roberts this time last year).

Agreed that we need another CB, RB, CM, and a couple of wingers/forwards for a solid foundation.  
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« Reply #822 on: June 22, 2022, 16:08:04 pm »

Great business so far especially when you consider the swaps:

Fox for Lewis
Haynes for Mills
Hylton for Rose
Burge for Roberts

On paper, all look like potential upgrades ( or in the case of GK, equals... but could argue that all would have taken Burge over Roberts this time last year).

Agreed that we need another CB, RB, CM, and a couple of wingers/forwards for a solid foundation.  

Donít know much about Haynes, but on a player vs player basis they do indeed seem to be upgrades (Roberts did well for us but Burge has a more consistent successful history)

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« Reply #823 on: June 22, 2022, 17:05:17 pm »

I disagree there. I think in Guthrie and Horsfall we had a partnership that was greater than the sum of its parts. Those pairings are hard to find so I'd do all I could to keep him. I'm resigned to him leaving, but I think he'll be a big loss.

I hear what you are saying, mate! I don't disagree that the pairing was the key. However, I suspect he will get 4 or 5 grand a week elsewhere, so my question would be...do we make him the top earner at the club in order to try and keep him, or let him go to money bags Stockport/wherever?! If £ is the biggest factor. Now I reckon there would be an argument to say that should be considered IF we had say a 500k-million pound plus player on our hands. But in Horse's case, I don't see it!  I tend to look at the business side much more than perhaps the average fan does (I don't mean that disrespectfully to anyone and that certainly isn't aimed in your direction, far from it...) - but because he's on a freebie then that will mean that a bigger budget club will come a hunting and be able to integrate him within the salary's they pay out.

Theres also another factor. Namely Max Dyche. I reckon he's more than ready to play regularly. So Id be more in favour of proportioning a bigger slice of the budget further up the pitch (plus in goal, which we clearly have), and giving young Max a good run in the team. So whilst we need another CB, Im not convinced we need to 'go silly', a decent 27-30 year old lower league pro would do for me in that area.

Sorry for the long reply lol, I just think sometimes people don't always consider the many variables and my original post didn't go into enough detail as to my thinking on this one, so I fully understand your reply to it!!
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« Reply #824 on: June 22, 2022, 18:12:29 pm »

I hear what you are saying, mate! I don't disagree that the pairing was the key. However, I suspect he will get 4 or 5 grand a week elsewhere, so my question would be...do we make him the top earner at the club in order to try and keep him, or let him go to money bags Stockport/wherever?! If £ is the biggest factor. Now I reckon there would be an argument to say that should be considered IF we had say a 500k-million pound plus player on our hands. But in Horse's case, I don't see it!  I tend to look at the business side much more than perhaps the average fan does (I don't mean that disrespectfully to anyone and that certainly isn't aimed in your direction, far from it...) - but because he's on a freebie then that will mean that a bigger budget club will come a hunting and be able to integrate him within the salary's they pay out.

Theres also another factor. Namely Max Dyche. I reckon he's more than ready to play regularly. So Id be more in favour of proportioning a bigger slice of the budget further up the pitch (plus in goal, which we clearly have), and giving young Max a good run in the team. So whilst we need another CB, Im not convinced we need to 'go silly', a decent 27-30 year old lower league pro would do for me in that area.

Sorry for the long reply lol, I just think sometimes people don't always consider the many variables and my original post didn't go into enough detail as to my thinking on this one, so I fully understand your reply to it!!

No worries, and no, there's sense and reason in everything. I probably should have said "do everything we reasonably can to keep him".

As you say there are a lot of factors, but least of which is team harmony and what's his ceiling... if we had someone who was clearly going to be the best Rio Ferdinand or John Terry then you could call a silly contract offer an investment and I'm sure other players would understand that. With respect to Fraser though, as much as I rate him, I don't think he's of Premiership level. Championship, probably, League 1 certainly, but not Premiership.

I think my point was more along the lines of maintaining the central partnership probably being worth more than Fraser would be as an individua. As such I'd push the boat out as much as I could, just not so much I'd fall off the dock in doing so!

Interesting point about Dyche too and one that crossed my mind earlier, actually. He's a bit of a wildcard in that we don't know how good he really is. He's impressed in what we've seen but we haven't really seen much. Just maybe Brady sees him as Guthrie's new partner and any new CB will be back up?
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« Reply #825 on: June 22, 2022, 19:04:12 pm »

I wouldn't mind Magloire coming back but I don't see him as Guthries partner and would prefer somebody more aerially commanding. But he would be adequate cover at centre back and maybe right back.

KT certainly seems to be backing JB this transfer window as some of the signings will be on decent money.

We now almost have a starting 11

                                          Burge

            McGowan            Huh?Huh?                Guthrie             Koiki

                         McWilliams    Fox         Sowerby   (any 2 from 3)

                Hoskins              Hylton              Pinnock

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« Reply #826 on: June 22, 2022, 19:08:50 pm »

I have to say I am very impressed with the transfer window thus far, although we need another 4-5 quality additions and maybe a loan for good measure.
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« Reply #827 on: June 22, 2022, 19:12:13 pm »

Donít know much about Haynes, but on a player vs player basis they do indeed seem to be upgrades (Roberts did well for us but Burge has a more consistent successful history)

Well done all involved

He certainly can't be any worse than Mills!
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« Reply #828 on: June 22, 2022, 19:20:39 pm »

He certainly can't be any worse than Mills!

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« Reply #829 on: June 23, 2022, 00:32:16 am »

He certainly can't be any worse than Mills!


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« Reply #830 on: June 23, 2022, 00:34:16 am »

Stockport are offering championship wages and massive signing on fees .
They have out salford salford in our division .
players come to us because they know itís a good club with a great platform to move on .
This management team are the best we have had in years
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« Reply #831 on: June 23, 2022, 08:30:45 am »

Hey, Phil in N'ton, I see Kevin Ellison has left Newport, do you think he still has time to develop into a decent player? One for the future maybe?

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Iím sure Kevin Ellison has the passion required and hope he finds a club that will use him a bit more than we did last season. A great character too, and even when playing against us was always entertaining.
I think he will join a club that can embrace his coaching ambitions as well as a playing role.

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« Reply #832 on: June 23, 2022, 08:50:28 am »

Really excellent business from the club so far. Looking at the numbers (Im a nerd, let me be). Burge's performances in the 20/21 season were the 7th best of any keeper in L1/L2 in the last 2 years (Roberts slots in at 3 last year). Prior to that he seemed to be a lot more average but hopefully that improvement is here to stay! Does not look quite as secure as Roberts at keeping hold of the ball but I have no doubt we will be able to help him improve.

Handing out 2 year deals to all the new signings, its clear that Brady is getting backed. What remained of last seasons squad was still strong despite lacking in numbers. Outside of Hylton who is clearly proven quality all the others are approaching the peak of their careers. Wouldnt be shocked as we continue to get bodies in to see the odd wildcard added. A bit like when we brought in Concrete Rod and Hoskins in the Wilder summer as trialists, younger players who turned out to contribute valuably that season.

Im normally a bit glass half full when it comes to expectation and there is still loads of recruitment to be done, but im feeling very positive about the upcoming season.
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« Reply #833 on: June 23, 2022, 11:02:57 am »

NTFC Lad - Any news on Horsfall as somebody posted a rumour that he maybe joining Stockport? Thanks in anticipation!
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« Reply #834 on: June 23, 2022, 12:44:17 pm »

would be keen for Josh Pask, centre back released by Coventry . did well on loan at newport last season
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« Reply #835 on: June 23, 2022, 12:51:53 pm »

Stockport are offering championship wages and massive signing on fees .
They have out salford salford in our division

https://www.skysports.com/stockport-county-stats

this is the squad Stockport have....
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« Reply #836 on: June 23, 2022, 13:21:36 pm »

https://www.skysports.com/stockport-county-stats

this is the squad Stockport have....

That's a huge aging squad. Phil Jevons retired a few years ago and I think he's a coach at Sunderland.
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« Reply #837 on: June 23, 2022, 14:11:13 pm »

That's a huge aging squad. Phil Jevons retired a few years ago and I think he's a coach at Sunderland.

Yeah there is no way that is right! thatís nearly a hundred man squad!!
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« Reply #838 on: June 23, 2022, 14:53:58 pm »

The Stockport official site shows they have a squad of 27, assuming it's up to date.

While on there I noticed that Shwan Jalal is their goalkeeping coach. Remember him?
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« Reply #839 on: June 23, 2022, 15:00:50 pm »



While on there I noticed that Shwan Jalal is their goalkeeping coach. Remember him?
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