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« Reply #80 on: August 14, 2022, 12:33:12 pm »


Struggle to think of many sporting venues offering fountains though....


The tennis tournament in Nottingham (early June).

The tennis tournament in Birmingham (the following week)

The tennis tournament in Eastbourne (the week after Birmingham).

All provided free water from taps and the announcers made regular appeals to the public to stock up and explain where said taps were. They also had areas where suitable air conditioning could be enjoyed by those feeling a little warm.

From memory both Surbiton (very late May/early June) and Wimbledon have similar arrangements i.e. you don't have to pay for water.

Where I usually sit at the County Ground you can access free water.
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« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2022, 12:36:51 pm »

The tennis tournament in Nottingham (early June).

The tennis tournament in Birmingham (the following week)

The tennis tournament in Eastbourne (the week after Birmingham).

All provided free water from taps and the announcers made regular appeals to the public to stock up and explain where said taps were. They also had areas where suitable air conditioning could be enjoyed by those feeling a little warm.

From memory both Surbiton (very late May/early June) and Wimbledon have similar arrangements i.e. you don't have to pay for water.

Where I usually sit at the County Ground you can access free water.

If tennis and cricket can do it, no reason for football not to follow suit in that case.
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« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2022, 12:51:52 pm »

I still think 4-3-3 is the way to go.

McWilliams and Sowerby together form a formidable defensive pivot which was a huge factor in our solidity last season. I'd want to keep both in the team. However, they offer little in terms of decisive through balls/goal threat/arriving late in the box etc and, as I've said before, the lack of chance creation from central areas was the decisive factor in our failure to win promotion last year.

Both Leonard and Fox would work well as a third central midfielder in a 4-3-3: they are hard-working enough to contribute defensively but offer more in terms of
chance creation and forward impetus. Neither are natural no.10 playmaker types, but both would excel as the most advanced midfielder in a three. We therefore have 4 good central midfielders who can compete for three places.

I also think Pinnock played most of his best football last year as a wide forward in a 4-3-3 where he had license to go out to the touchline and ping in crosses or cut inside and get shots off as he pleased without the defensive responsibilities associated with playing in a 4-4-2. If he's played in the middle as a no.10 then his crossing opportunities are curtailed and he looks lost.





I think this is about spot on, as usual.
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« Reply #83 on: August 14, 2022, 12:56:22 pm »

At Man City yesterday, you could take in your own water, but not sun cream.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-city-fans-outraged-over-24751932?int_source=nba
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« Reply #84 on: August 14, 2022, 13:04:31 pm »

Have to agree to disagree then because to me to signal play advantage when there is (at that point in time ) a clear penalty and a red card - but not knowing we would score is a shocking decision- had we not scored would he have reverted to that decision? - I guess allowable under the advantage rules but I still think a poor decision and knowing Pete Walton despite being retired keeps up to date with the rules would tend to back his thoughts - still end of the day no harm done as 3 points are 3 points.


He gave the advantage signal after we had scored. If Appere had missed he would have gave the penalty and sent the player off.

You can argue this both ways, if he had given the penalty and Hoskins had then missed, people would argue he should have given the goal.

Or do we leave it up to Join Brady to decide if to take the goal or the penalty and a man sent off?

He applied the law correctly, Whether you agree with the law is another matter.

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« Reply #85 on: August 14, 2022, 14:06:39 pm »

Didn't think the ref had a great game. Pools no 9 is a good player but a cheat, a shirt puller every time he had a marker in close proximity and diving etc at every opportunity. Not going to squeal too much as Hylton does his fair share of simulation; however, the ref seemed to pick all that up - but totally failed to spot any of Umerah's infringements, one of which led to Pools' goal.
Like both McWilliams and Sowerby - good solid players with many virtues, but unfortunately creativity isn't one of them. If they are both playing - not much will get past our midfield, but our strikers won't get much service either. Both should be in the squad but not necessarily both starting imo. Fox, Leonard and Haynes all look exciting prospects. Appere seems to divide opinions - but I reckon he has got "it", if we stick with him, and sure he will learn a lot from Hylton. It has taken Sam Hoskins years to come good - feel Appere will do it a lot sooner.
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« Reply #86 on: August 14, 2022, 14:38:03 pm »

If tennis and cricket can do it, no reason for football not to follow suit in that case.

Agreed, I guess in theory Cricket and the English grass court season are very much summer sports, while football is predominantly a winter sport. As global warming kicks in and temperatures hit record highs I’m sure water breaks for players and water facilities for spectators will become the norm in football too.

 
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« Reply #87 on: August 14, 2022, 14:58:52 pm »



He gave the advantage signal after we had scored. If Appere had missed he would have gave the penalty and sent the player off.

You can argue this both ways, if he had given the penalty and Hoskins had then missed, people would argue he should have given the goal.

Or do we leave it up to Join Brady to decide if to take the goal or the penalty and a man sent off?

He applied the law correctly, Whether you agree with the law is another matter.



Not arguing with your knowledge on this one as you clearly are better versed than me on the laws of the game but I’m still surprised that a former prem referee took the trouble to text into Radio Northampton to state the ref got it wrong - just curious but had the offence been serious dangerous play (warranting a red card) and the same scenario played out could the ref show a retrospective red card?
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« Reply #88 on: August 14, 2022, 15:44:18 pm »


Sowerby received 7 passes in his 45. Leonard received 28 passes in his 45. Massive difference.


Where did you get that stat from? Not questioning it or anything, I just like playing with data and would be interested to know where you get these type of figures from!
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« Reply #89 on: August 14, 2022, 16:14:59 pm »

Regarding the yellow cards, it seem incredibly harsh that Sammy got a yellow for saying something but the Hatlepool number 23 got exactly the same for taking Sam out in full flight. There really needs to be some sort of distinguishing points, not all yellow cards are the same
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« Reply #90 on: August 14, 2022, 16:24:11 pm »

Where did you get that stat from? Not questioning it or anything, I just like playing with data and would be interested to know where you get these type of figures from!

Twitter @NTFCanalytics

Yesterday Sowerby received the ball from his teammates 7 times in his 45 mins.

Leonard in his 45 mins received the ball 28 times.

Having someone dictate the play is something we have missed massively since JJOT.

Excellent addition, lets hope we can keep him all season.#ntfc
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« Reply #91 on: August 14, 2022, 16:51:37 pm »

I liked what their number 9 did, he saw a lot of the ball.
Can we make a cheeky bid for him?
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« Reply #92 on: August 14, 2022, 17:57:13 pm »

Hartlepool manager says they were unlucky not to get something from the game as they posed a threat and created chances, also at the start of the second half they had us on the ropes. I really do not know which game he was watching because apart from the scrambled goal and Bulge's fine save I didn't think they created anything else or threatened at all and they were probably lucky not to leave with a heavier defeat.
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« Reply #93 on: August 14, 2022, 20:16:43 pm »

- just curious but had the offence been serious dangerous play (warranting a red card) and the same scenario played out could the ref show a retrospective red card?

Yes,  same section of Law 12, next line down,  the red card should be shown the next time the ball goes out of play,  unless the offender gets involved in play,  in which case,  the game is stopped and the red card is shown.
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« Reply #94 on: August 14, 2022, 20:26:14 pm »

Twitter @NTFCanalytics

Yesterday Sowerby received the ball from his teammates 7 times in his 45 mins.

Leonard in his 45 mins received the ball 28 times.

Having someone dictate the play is something we have missed massively since JJOT.

Excellent addition, lets hope we can keep him all season.#ntfc

Indeed, its my account on twitter, just post the odd statistical fact on there. All the data comes from Wyscout, which is a massive football database alot of clubs also use I believe. Has an enormous amount of data / video etc.
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« Reply #95 on: August 14, 2022, 21:06:23 pm »

Hartlepool manager says they were unlucky not to get something from the game as they posed a threat and created chances, also at the start of the second half they had us on the ropes. I really do not know which game he was watching because apart from the scrambled goal and Bulge's fine save I didn't think they created anything else or threatened at all and they were probably lucky not to leave with a heavier defeat.

Who is this Bulge guy that people keep referring to?
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« Reply #96 on: August 15, 2022, 07:47:17 am »

Bulge is the affectionate nickname we seem to have given to our new 'keeper.
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« Reply #97 on: August 15, 2022, 08:10:11 am »

Twitter @NTFCanalytics

Yesterday Sowerby received the ball from his teammates 7 times in his 45 mins.

Leonard in his 45 mins received the ball 28 times.

Having someone dictate the play is something we have missed massively since JJOT.

Excellent addition, lets hope we can keep him all season.#ntfc

That’s very interesting.

Certainly shows why the second half was much improved!
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« Reply #98 on: August 15, 2022, 08:34:16 am »

Yes,  same section of Law 12, next line down,  the red card should be shown the next time the ball goes out of play,  unless the offender gets involved in play,  in which case,  the game is stopped and the red card is shown.

Cheers - that seems reasonable. Like someone posted earlier there are major differences in offences that warrant a red card - how can handling on the line be equivalent to a two footed leg breaking tackle - yes I know the retrospective punishment will be greater but in the context of the actual game it has the same effect.

Interested in what our referee friends thought of the first Spurs goal yesterday - even if the ref and the linesman got it wrong how could VAR miss both the foul and the offside.

Still it wouldn't be football would it without the "occasional" complaint against the officials.
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« Reply #99 on: August 15, 2022, 08:57:33 am »

Cheers - that seems reasonable. Like someone posted earlier there are major differences in offences that warrant a red card - how can handling on the line be equivalent to a two footed leg breaking tackle - yes I know the retrospective punishment will be greater but in the context of the actual game it has the same effect.

Interested in what our referee friends thought of the first Spurs goal yesterday - even if the ref and the linesman got it wrong how could VAR miss both the foul and the offside.

Still it wouldn't be football would it without the "occasional" complaint against the officials.
Maybe because it was neither a foul or offside !
However the Spurs goal at the end should have been ruled out due to a foul at the corner !
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