The Hotel End
March 29, 2024, 13:55:29 pm
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
  Home Help Search Arcade Downloads Gallery Links Staff List Calendar Login Register Chat  

Supporters Trust withdraws bid for ACV Land at Sixfields

Pages: 1 ... 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 [19]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Supporters Trust withdraws bid for ACV Land at Sixfields  (Read 12601 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3343


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #360 on: February 09, 2023, 10:51:14 am »

Or peddling the same twaddle year on year on year, eh? Grin
8 years to be precise, the same time it's taken your friend's CDNL to achieve absolutely nothing..

So I'll continue until our club gets its fair share and not be taken the pi5s out off.
Report Spam   Logged
Manwork04
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 9316



View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Windows User Mobile User Spammer 25 Posts in one day
« Reply #361 on: February 09, 2023, 17:00:16 pm »

8 years to be precise, the same time it's taken your friend's CDNL to achieve absolutely nothing..

So I'll continue until our club gets its fair share and not be taken the pi5s out off.
Keep going Beds, your spot on with your last statement.
Report Spam   Logged

Rule Britannia
Dan
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2882


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Level 6 Search Apple User
« Reply #362 on: February 09, 2023, 19:05:16 pm »

8 years to be precise, the same time it's taken your friend's CDNL to achieve absolutely nothing..

So I'll continue until our club gets its fair share and not be taken the pi5s out off.


Keep going Beds, your spot on with your last statement.

This is why I did opt to stand for the fans vote. To apply some pressure after years of undelivered promises.

I guess my questions at do this point:

The trust withdrawing their bid was unquestionably big news for the club. Why haven’t we had any comment from them about the subject?
If there’s no longer opposition for them, what’s the next steps?
What does this do to deadlines?
What are the deadlines?
When will we finally see some actual works on the abyss that is the East Stand?

It’s time that we heard some concrete details as the supporters have been ridiculously patient. Let’s see some results.
Report Spam   Logged

The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2013
Melbourne Cobbler
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4643



View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Spammer 25 Posts in one day Avatar Search
« Reply #363 on: February 09, 2023, 20:04:49 pm »


This is why I did opt to stand for the fans vote. To apply some pressure after years of undelivered promises.

I guess my questions at do this point:

The trust withdrawing their bid was unquestionably big news for the club. Why haven’t we had any comment from them about the subject?
If there’s no longer opposition for them, what’s the next steps?
What does this do to deadlines?
What are the deadlines?
When will we finally see some actual works on the abyss that is the East Stand?

It’s time that we heard some concrete details as the supporters have been ridiculously patient. Let’s see some results.
I think this is something that will take care of itself. When the final legals are drawn up the council have stipulated that the completion will be included, and the owners have concurred. I would imagine they want their money as soon as possible, so I don’t think they’ll be any hanging around once all the barriers have gone. Where there is no difference between any of us is that there should be a chunk in it for the club, however it is spent. In the event they were to renegade on this pledge that would be a very brave move on the part of the council, it would probably unify us all PDQ. Moving forward what the Trust need to do is to get broad agreement on what is a reasonable share, and what constitutes value for money when it is spent. That’s from its members and everyone else.
Report Spam   Logged

Not a real supporter but unelected chair of the Northampton Town Honorary Supporters Club. (Please note: any opinions given may not necessarily be shared by proper supporters. In incidents of conflict the views of real supporters shall take precedence).
random1
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 310


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Search Level 3 Mobile User
« Reply #364 on: February 09, 2023, 20:36:19 pm »

I think this is something that will take care of itself. When the final legals are drawn up the council have stipulated that the completion will be included, and the owners have concurred. I would imagine they want their money as soon as possible, so I don’t think they’ll be any hanging around once all the barriers have gone. Where there is no difference between any of us is that there should be a chunk in it for the club, however it is spent. In the event they were to renegade on this pledge that would be a very brave move on the part of the council, it would probably unify us all PDQ. Moving forward what the Trust need to do is to get broad agreement on what is a reasonable share, and what constitutes value for money when it is spent. That’s from its members and everyone else.

my vote is all the running track and either a completed East stand or £2.5m fund for ground improvements (ie: North & South stands increase and cladding to tart up the East stand)
Report Spam   Logged
Melbourne Cobbler
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4643



View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Spammer 25 Posts in one day Avatar Search
« Reply #365 on: February 09, 2023, 21:00:22 pm »

my vote is all the running track and either a completed East stand or £2.5m fund for ground improvements (ie: North & South stands increase and cladding to tart up the East stand)
I think the figure is dependent on what the final return is Derek. I reckon 2.5 million would be excessive if they made 3 million. However I think we would all cop the arse with that figure if they made 40 million. With regards to the design what I would do is speak to as many Trusts and clubs as possible who have recently gone through improvements to the ground. What ideas regarding the designs worked and what didn’t, both in terms of experience and attendance.  As I have tried to allude to, if this is a legacy for the club, how do you identify and subsequently protect both the asset and income from any future investor owner profits? I suppose the message is when you are specifying acceptable conditions or standards don’t fly blind.
Report Spam   Logged

Not a real supporter but unelected chair of the Northampton Town Honorary Supporters Club. (Please note: any opinions given may not necessarily be shared by proper supporters. In incidents of conflict the views of real supporters shall take precedence).
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3343


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #366 on: February 09, 2023, 22:07:31 pm »


This is why I did opt to stand for the fans vote. To apply some pressure after years of undelivered promises.

I guess my questions at do this point:

The trust withdrawing their bid was unquestionably big news for the club. Why haven’t we had any comment from them about the subject?
If there’s no longer opposition for them, what’s the next steps?
What does this do to deadlines?
What are the deadlines?
When will we finally see some actual works on the abyss that is the East Stand?

It’s time that we heard some concrete details as the supporters have been ridiculously patient. Let’s see some results.
Some good points made Dan, but my concern being
the East stand was to be finished 8 years ago, the fact Thomas hasn't bothered his arse to do as he suggested doesn't mean our club has been mothballed but infact has moved on to now needing an extending to the south stand.
Thomas has caused major problems to our clubs ability to progress,  costing us both our ability to trade correctly and our L1 position and such needs holding to account.
If he can't finish both the East and extend the South stand he needs removing from our club.
CDNL'S unbelievable brass neck  pi5s taking of our club, and its support base,  council and the whole town of Northampton has run it's course.
Yes he did really well 'grooming' the 2% of the paltry 2% that now bother following Northampton town, to believing he is the only option but now even these poor souls that succumbed to his greasy charms are now waking up and questioning the bleeding obvious.

WNC need pressure putting on them, they seem to backing cdnl over the future well being of Northampton's football club,   they are supposed to represent, so some  urgent educating of their ignorance is long over due..

« Last Edit: February 09, 2023, 22:09:29 pm by BedsCobb » Report Spam   Logged
Melbourne Cobbler
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4643



View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Spammer 25 Posts in one day Avatar Search
« Reply #367 on: February 09, 2023, 23:38:57 pm »

Some good points made Dan, but my concern being
the East stand was to be finished 8 years ago, the fact Thomas hasn't bothered his arse to do as he suggested doesn't mean our club has been mothballed but infact has moved on to now needing an extending to the south stand.
Thomas has caused major problems to our clubs ability to progress,  costing us both our ability to trade correctly and our L1 position and such needs holding to account.
If he can't finish both the East and extend the South stand he needs removing from our club.
CDNL'S unbelievable brass neck  pi5s taking of our club, and its support base,  council and the whole town of Northampton has run it's course.
Yes he did really well 'grooming' the 2% of the paltry 2% that now bother following Northampton town, to believing he is the only option but now even these poor souls that succumbed to his greasy charms are now waking up and questioning the bleeding obvious.

WNC need pressure putting on them, they seem to backing cdnl over the future well being of Northampton's football club,   they are supposed to represent, so some  urgent educating of their ignorance is long over due..


I think you’ll find the confrontational and aggressive approach is proven not to work and has failed spectacularly to date.
Report Spam   Logged

Not a real supporter but unelected chair of the Northampton Town Honorary Supporters Club. (Please note: any opinions given may not necessarily be shared by proper supporters. In incidents of conflict the views of real supporters shall take precedence).
Risdene
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 693


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Third year Anniversary Search Level 4
« Reply #368 on: February 10, 2023, 04:36:32 am »


This is why I did opt to stand for the fans vote. To apply some pressure after years of undelivered promises.

I guess my questions at do this point:

The trust withdrawing their bid was unquestionably big news for the club. Why haven’t we had any comment from them about the subject?
If there’s no longer opposition for them, what’s the next steps?
What does this do to deadlines?
What are the deadlines?
When will we finally see some actual works on the abyss that is the East Stand?

It’s time that we heard some concrete details as the supporters have been ridiculously patient. Let’s see some results.

I am not expecting any comment from the club until the announcement of the Judicial Review, hopefully at the end of next month. My concern is if the Judge is as slow as the CPS it is anybody's guess when we will hear!
Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3343


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #369 on: February 10, 2023, 06:11:33 am »

I think you’ll find the confrontational and aggressive approach is proven not to work and has failed spectacularly to date.
I think you'll find it has been uncharacteristically missing from what is a football league club and community asset that has been mothballed for 2 decades.

Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3343


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #370 on: February 10, 2023, 06:23:30 am »

I think this is something that will take care of itself. When the final legals are drawn up the council have stipulated that the completion will be included, and the owners have concurred. I would imagine they want their money as soon as possible, so I don’t think they’ll be any hanging around once all the barriers have gone. Where there is no difference between any of us is that there should be a chunk in it for the club, however it is spent. In the event they were to renegade on this pledge that would be a very brave move on the part of the council, it would probably unify us all PDQ. Moving forward what the Trust need to do is to get broad agreement on what is a reasonable share, and what constitutes value for money when it is spent. That’s from its members and everyone else.
So you're advocating a wait and see policy as to how an agreement between a seemingly clueless WNC and an ever increasing desperate CDNL, as to the final outcome of what Northampton Town will get from the £20m land carve up?

We both know that's the last thing our club needs.

We should demand of the council what it is our club needs (Not what the owners think/hope they can get away with) and WNC enforce cdnl to oblige under the terms..

With all the in house fighting between those who we need to figh for a good deal for ntfc, its making it very easy for the land speculators cdnl to rip the ar5e out of Sixfields.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2023, 06:37:30 am by BedsCobb » Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3343


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #371 on: February 10, 2023, 06:30:40 am »

I am not expecting any comment from the club until the announcement of the Judicial Review, hopefully at the end of next month. My concern is if the Judge is as slow as the CPS it is anybody's guess when we will hear!
With the Cobblers future at stake depending on getting a fair deal, it's better for it to drag out so Northampton and its football club get the maximum benefit from its fair share of council land at Sixfields.
Decisions made by those ignorant to the clubs needs and those desperate for a massive windfall  can only result in the Cobblers losing out spectacularly again.

At this late stage trust no-one and ask questions and demand a fair deal which is a lot more than a few boxes cobbled in the East stand pretending to £6m worth of work..
Report Spam   Logged
Melbourne Cobbler
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4643



View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Spammer 25 Posts in one day Avatar Search
« Reply #372 on: February 10, 2023, 07:25:18 am »

So you're advocating a wait and see policy as to how an agreement between a seemingly clueless WNC and an ever increasing desperate CDNL, as to the final outcome of what Northampton Town will get from the £20m land carve up?

We both know that's the last thing our club needs.

We should demand of the council what it is our club needs (Not what the owners think/hope they can get away with) and WNC enforce cdnl to oblige under the terms..

With all the in house fighting between those who we need to figh for a good deal for ntfc, its making it very easy for the land speculators cdnl to rip the ar5e out of Sixfields.

Again if the Trust with their protestations and efforts have got nowhere what makes your foot stamping petulance a more viable option? Are you suggesting the Board were a bit feeble and you throwing a tantrum and repeating the same demands are more likely to succeed. What makes you think you’ll be successful with your ultimatums where the board failed? Sounds to me like you’re proposing to do a lot of shouting and fighting in an empty room, whilst they ignore you and carry on with what they’re doing. Pretty much like what’s happened so far. Brilliant, and you wonder why people take this píss, brains of a rocking horse.
Report Spam   Logged

Not a real supporter but unelected chair of the Northampton Town Honorary Supporters Club. (Please note: any opinions given may not necessarily be shared by proper supporters. In incidents of conflict the views of real supporters shall take precedence).
guest3571
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #373 on: February 10, 2023, 08:13:27 am »

I think you'll find it has been uncharacteristically missing from what is a football league club and community asset that has been mothballed for 2 decades.


Meant with good intentions but I genuinely believe the Trust and people who share the same opinion as yourself would be much more successful if you recognised some of the positive things that the club do. The work that the club have done for a very very long time in the community should be recognised and this, in my opinion, has accelerated in the last 3-4 years, as has been demonstrated by the various awards.
There is a lot that you can rightly hold the owners to account for but by dismissing everything you lose credibility. Acknowledge the good, challenge the bad and you will get many more fans on side I am sure.
Report Spam   Logged
Risdene
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 693


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Third year Anniversary Search Level 4
« Reply #374 on: February 10, 2023, 08:46:38 am »

With the Cobblers future at stake depending on getting a fair deal, it's better for it to drag out so Northampton and its football club get the maximum benefit from its fair share of council land at Sixfields.
Decisions made by those ignorant to the clubs needs and those desperate for a massive windfall  can only result in the Cobblers losing out spectacularly again.

At this late stage trust no-one and ask questions and demand a fair deal which is a lot more than a few boxes cobbled in the East stand pretending to £6m worth of work..
'it's better for it to drag out'!!!!!

Bl***y hell I'm years  nearer my death bed already!

All I ask is people we pay, with tax payers money, to make a decision!
Report Spam   Logged
rebelspawn
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 905



View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Search Eighth year Anniversary Mobile User
« Reply #375 on: February 10, 2023, 09:16:34 am »

my vote is all the running track and either a completed East stand or £2.5m fund for ground improvements (ie: North & South stands increase and cladding to tart up the East stand)

How about half the running track (as per the clubs current plans) and a cast iron legal guarantee that the stand will be built and there is no scenario in which CDNL/the owners walk away with money, whilst the stand is unfinished and NTFC has to hand back the running track to the council for £1? All of this achieved by having independent legal eyes on the contract as it's drawn up.

Come to think of it, with the warehouses currently planned over half of the ACV land, how would the clawback clause even work if (in 5 years time) the warehouses are built, but the stand is not finished?
Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3343


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #376 on: February 10, 2023, 09:57:18 am »

Again if the Trust with their protestations and efforts have got nowhere what makes your foot stamping petulance a more viable option? Are you suggesting the Board were a bit feeble and you throwing a tantrum and repeating the same demands are more likely to succeed. What makes you think you’ll be successful with your ultimatums where the board failed? Sounds to me like you’re proposing to do a lot of shouting and fighting in an empty room, whilst they ignore you and carry on with what they’re doing. Pretty much like what’s happened so far. Brilliant, and you wonder why people take this píss, brains of a rocking horse.
I could always copy and paste from Deloitte's like you,  but that is even more desperate  😉
There's no point in venting after the event,  Yes it looks very like the cobblers are getting a good shafting again, but while there's a glimmer of hope we must go for it.

I'm in Sydney in a few weeks, you should get the bus over, we could meet up for a few pints at a witherspoons on the  high St?
Report Spam   Logged
Deepcut Cobbler
Administrator
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 14653



View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Search Level 6 Windows User
« Reply #377 on: February 10, 2023, 10:19:34 am »

A number of conversations going between the two, all relevant to the RedDev, let's get back there shall we?  Cool
Report Spam   Logged

“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon

The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
Pages: 1 ... 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 [19]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by EzPortal
Parental guidance is urged as this messageboard may not be suitable for all persons especially those under the age of 16 as the forums may contain words, phrases and expressions not considered appropriate for a younger audience so please express caution. If any posts in the forums offend you, please let us know and we will look at them and if we agree with your complaint, we will remove them. You are personally responsible and potentially liable for the contents of your posting and may be sued should your posting contain content of a defamatory or other illegal nature. Every message posted leaves a traceable IP number. We check the forums at various times of the day and remove offending posts. Other supporters are welcome but abusive or silly posts will be removed and the offenders potentially barred from future access to the site. We advise that you never reveal any personal information about yourself or anyone else (for example: telephone number, home address or email address), and please do not include postal addresses of any kind. This messageboard is not endorsed or in any way affiliated with Northampton Town FC. All postings on this board become copyright of The Hotel End & may not be reproduced without the permission of the board administrator. By signing up to this message board you agree to this. The Hotel End cannot be held liable for the actions or postings of its members. The Hotel End reserve the right to edit, delete, move or close any thread for any reason. The Hotel End may disclose user information to government authorities at their discretion or when required by law. The Hotel End may also disclose user information when The Hotel End has reason to believe that someone is causing injury to or interference with its rights or property, other The Hotel End users, or anyone else that could be harmed by such activities. By registering for The Hotel End, you agree to indemnify The Hotel End its representatives, and agents, and hold them harmless from any and all claims (including claims for legal fees) which may arise from your participation on the The Hotel End. You also agree that The Hotel End is not responsible for the materials posted by users of The Hotel End. In addition, you grant The Hotel End and its affiliates, worldwide, royalty-free perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display any message or content posted on The Hotel End and/or e-mail sent by you to The Hotel End (in whole or in part). The Hotel End reserves the right to make the rules up as it goes along. Thank you - The Hotel End I love Quidco
Bookmark this site!
Powered by SMF | SMF © 2016, Simple Machines
Privacy Policy