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« Reply #100 on: October 28, 2023, 17:10:37 pm »

Oh Dear. 14 games gone and now even Curle has a better record than Brady.

Yes but, don't forget what a massive budget Curle had, how he had the momentum from an automatic promotion, how he wasn't playing in front of a half-finished stand and you cant compare managers from different eras, I mean who is alive today that witnessed Curle's season in league 1? Oh, hang on.......

Anyway we all agreed, whatever happens this season NOTHING will be Brady's fault. What a fortunate position to be in for the Australian.

 
Itís just like Groundhog Day, we get promoted, owners give the manager a piśs poor budget we are in the relegation zone in Jan, money is given to strengthen, then they sack the manager and we are relegated rinse and repeat.
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« Reply #101 on: October 28, 2023, 17:15:45 pm »

Itís just like Groundhog Day, we get promoted, owners give the manager a piśs poor budget we are in the relegation zone in Jan, money is given to strengthen, then they sack the manager and we are relegated rinse and repeat.

Yeah, you think we'd be used to it by now. Don't normally come straight back down though and I think there must be 4 worse teams than ourselves. With just one decent striker/poacher I think we'd be midtable now. Only knowing our luck, he'd get injured on his debut.
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« Reply #102 on: October 28, 2023, 17:18:17 pm »

Yeah, you think we'd be used to it by now. Don't normally come straight back down though and I think there must be 4 worse teams than ourselves. With just one decent striker/poacher I think we'd be midtable now. Only knowing our luck, he'd get injured on his debut.
Exeter seem to be trying to help us out, Fleetwood keep winning as do Wigan, we desperately need a win from somewhere.
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« Reply #103 on: October 28, 2023, 17:25:52 pm »

Difficult to find too many positives but we canít have lost so many games by the odd goal before. We seem to be in every game. With a slightly fitter squad (and cutting out silly suspensions) weíve got to have the edge on 4 other teams. Another positive is that JB must be miles from getting the sack, we donít want that, especially as weíll still have the same bunch of players.
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« Reply #104 on: October 28, 2023, 17:33:08 pm »

Difficult to find too many positives but we canít have lost so many games by the odd goal before. We seem to be in every game. With a slightly fitter squad (and cutting out silly suspensions) weíve got to have the edge on 4 other teams. Another positive is that JB must be miles from getting the sack, we donít want that, especially as weíll still have the same bunch of players.

Yep, little point in sacking Brady unless some billionaire took over and wanted to bring a star man in. Our results aren't very good and Brady isn't doing very well but you have to question who would do any better under the circumstances? Brady is safe I reckon, unless we get to that point near the end of the season when we need the boost a new manager may bring to save us. Similar to what they tried with Austin that nearly paid off. Doesn't always work.
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« Reply #105 on: October 29, 2023, 09:16:46 am »

I think an interesting chapter in this table is approaching fast, the time when some of these managers get sacked. Crerand in 7 games, Gorman in 8, Curle in 12. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Brady still has a worse return than 1 or maybe 2 of them at that point. Still think he'll be safe though, unlikely that many fans will be calling for his head as they were in the other cases and with the current record crowds and the money rolling in, can't see the Chairman being under any pressure to make a change.
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« Reply #106 on: November 01, 2023, 08:28:41 am »

So, we reached the 15th game of the campaign, a third of the season gone and Brady now has only Crerand behind him with a worse start to our first season back in League 1. Crerand was truly awful but even he won his 16th game so Brady better hope we don't lose our home game with Burton or this will officially become our worst start.

More worryingly for me, we've now just 1 point from our last 5 matches, our worst run of form since 2016, a 5 game sequence where we had 3 different managers at the helm, Page, Wilkinson & Edinburgh.

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« Reply #107 on: November 01, 2023, 09:05:52 am »

"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes is the definition of insanity" i.e. sacking managers as soon as the going gets tough.

Time to get behind JB IMO
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« Reply #108 on: November 01, 2023, 09:12:57 am »

So, we reached the 15th game of the campaign, a third of the season gone and Brady now has only Crerand behind him with a worse start to our first season back in League 1. Crerand was truly awful but even he won his 16th game so Brady better hope we don't lose our home game with Burton or this will officially become our worst start.

More worryingly for me, we've now just 1 point from our last 5 matches, our worst run of form since 2016, a 5 game sequence where we had 3 different managers at the helm, Page, Wilkinson & Edinburgh.



Blimey, in all honesty I thought things were bad but I didn't for a minute think they were that bad.

It looks like Brady has been found out.

Priority must be to get an experienced head alongside him to do all the coaching, management, scouting and PR duties.
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« Reply #109 on: November 01, 2023, 09:32:12 am »

"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes is the definition of insanity" i.e. sacking managers as soon as the going gets tough.

Time to get behind JB IMO

This is a surprise to me but you could hardly be more wrong.

Crerand was sacked, club was in a mess, ran by a committee, we were relegated.
Carr was sacked AFTER we were relegated.
Atkins was sacked after we were relegated, Wilson got us promoted again that season.
Wilson was sacked, Broadhurst retained our League 1 status that season.
Gorman was sacked, Gray retained our League 1 status that season.
Page was sacked, Edinburgh retained our League 1 status that season.
Curle was sacked, and Brady became the ONLY manager to replace somebody on that list and NOT save us from relegation.

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« Reply #110 on: November 01, 2023, 09:39:12 am »


Curle was sacked, and Brady became the ONLY manager to replace somebody on that list and NOT save us from relegation.



But lets not forget he's passionate about the club.
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« Reply #111 on: November 01, 2023, 09:58:50 am »

This is a surprise to me but you could hardly be more wrong.

Crerand was sacked, club was in a mess, ran by a committee, we were relegated.
Carr was sacked AFTER we were relegated.
Atkins was sacked after we were relegated, Wilson got us promoted again that season.
Wilson was sacked, Broadhurst retained our League 1 status that season.
Gorman was sacked, Gray retained our League 1 status that season.
Page was sacked, Edinburgh retained our League 1 status that season.
Curle was sacked, and Brady became the ONLY manager to replace somebody on that list and NOT save us from relegation.



That wasn't the point. It is about not sacking a manager when the going gets tough. After his success across two previous seasons, that buys him plenty of time IMO.
I'd go as far as saying there is absolutely no point in sacking him at all unless there are significant changes elsewhere.
He has proven that he can run a successful L2 outfit (playing good football), which is as far as our aspirations seem to stretch.
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« Reply #112 on: November 01, 2023, 10:11:51 am »

That wasn't the point. It is about not sacking a manager when the going gets tough. After his success across two previous seasons, that buys him plenty of time IMO.
I'd go as far as saying there is absolutely no point in sacking him at all unless there are significant changes elsewhere.
He has proven that he can run a successful L2 outfit (playing good football), which is as far as our aspirations seem to stretch.

Sorry, I thought your point was "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity" I was just pointing out that in the case of sacking the manager, the normal result is we survive that season in League 1 with the new man in charge. Only Brady failed to do that.
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« Reply #113 on: November 11, 2023, 20:19:54 pm »

A good and most welcome win today kept Brady off the foot of the table and the good news is now that he can't get caught by Crerand as he only gets 1 more point in his final 6 games. We've also continued with this strange stat where we didn't win in our first 4 games, then won the next 2. Then it was a 5 game winless run, then we won 2. Then we didn't win in 6 but have won our next game today. Should mean we'll beat MK Dons though I wish it was the Cambridge game up next, I think we'd all rather win that one (I'm sure we will).



As I said, I post these stats whether we win, lose or draw. It's up to the manager and the team to make them look better, not me.
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« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2023, 20:43:23 pm »

It was around this time that Curle tailed off completely. In the league, he hadn't won since the 15th game of the season, lost his next two 4-0 and would only go onto win 1 more game before getting sacked in February.
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« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2023, 20:52:44 pm »

Interestingly of the four managers that went on to be sacked in the table, three of them, like Brady won their 16th game. None of them won any of their next three games. Seems like this time of the year can be quite decisive. Should also mean we see Brady start to climb this table.
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« Reply #116 on: November 12, 2023, 12:04:19 pm »

What I would find more interesting is how strikers from our previous promoted teams compare to Sam who has already notched 9, I doubt if any would have as many.
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« Reply #117 on: November 12, 2023, 12:19:23 pm »

What I would find more interesting is how strikers from our previous promoted teams compare to Sam who has already notched 9, I doubt if any would have as many.

I can only think of Jamie Forrester 'stepping up'...

I still don't consider Sam to be a striker though...
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« Reply #118 on: November 12, 2023, 12:32:49 pm »

What I would find more interesting is how strikers from our previous promoted teams compare to Sam who has already notched 9, I doubt if any would have as many.

To be honest, I don't think all that many stayed after promotion. That's from memory, I don't know. You could look on Soccerbase I suppose.
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« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2023, 12:33:52 pm »

Marvo, can you just let me know with your magic spreadsheets and stats if itís likely we will stay up please?
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