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« on: September 04, 2023, 20:32:37 pm »

Hopefully not the end for an important venue in the town. They donít build them like they used to.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/people/royal-derngate-closed-and-all-september-performances-postponed-following-unfortunate-discovery-of-raac-4280416
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2023, 20:37:18 pm »

Built on the cheap in the 80s, The Royal is an extremely sturdy structure in comparison
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2023, 06:13:46 am »

Really am gutted to read this from them

As someone who uses the venue slot I hope there is nothing seriously wrong and they can get back open ASAP
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2023, 07:13:01 am »

I suspect a lot of this (with the schools as well as the theatre) is down to an excess of caution. Once they've been inspected I'd imagine most of them will be deemed safe and will reopen.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2023, 07:38:02 am »

I suspect a lot of this (with the schools as well as the theatre) is down to an excess of caution. Once they've been inspected I'd imagine most of them will be deemed safe and will reopen.

Iím not an expert, it doesnít sound like many are on this stuff!
Fingers crossed it is some minor remediation. It sounds the unpredictability of this material can pose the danger, not ideal in a foyer. This stuff sounds like Grenfell all over again. Can you imagine if there is a major incident at one of these schools?

A great time for structural engineers and surveyors. Thereís always some industries coining it in from others misery.

No idea on the financial health of the Derngate but missing a month must hit them pretty badly, without the associated costs to deal with the issue, although this will fall on the WNC as landlords. Itís sounds as though they may relocate some events, so perhaps a good time for the Deco which is probably bullet proof!
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2023, 07:42:57 am »

It's far from my area of expertise too but I think we'd know all about it if a single building had just collapsed due to this. Obviously, if a risk has been identified then it needs to be investigated but I suspect in most cases that will be an end to it.

Like you say, a good time to be a surveyor!!
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2023, 09:17:57 am »

It's far from my area of expertise too but I think we'd know all about it if a single building had just collapsed due to this. Obviously, if a risk has been identified then it needs to be investigated but I suspect in most cases that will be an end to it.

Like you say, a good time to be a surveyor!!

https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/01/beam-collapse-sparked-school-building-safety-warning-across-uk-19431226/amp/

The trouble is you canít wait for something to happen when you know thereís potential issues.
It wasnít many moons ago that we were happily working around (and with) asbestos. Now thatís on a register and heavily controlledÖi.e. remove it or leave it alone!
It couldnít be in worse locations than schools.
Itíll depend on the various structures and condition, although Iím sure legislation will soon deem that there are immediate regular inspection requirements.
If it has a massively reduced shelf life (or needs physical remediation) itís going to be hugely expensive going forwards.
I read it wasnít widely used in the construction of football stadiums, so they should be OK.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2023, 11:07:21 am »

https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/01/beam-collapse-sparked-school-building-safety-warning-across-uk-19431226/amp/

The trouble is you canít wait for something to happen when you know thereís potential issues.
It wasnít many moons ago that we were happily working around (and with) asbestos. Now thatís on a register and heavily controlledÖi.e. remove it or leave it alone!
It couldnít be in worse locations than schools.
Itíll depend on the various structures and condition, although Iím sure legislation will soon deem that there are immediate regular inspection requirements.
If it has a massively reduced shelf life (or needs physical remediation) itís going to be hugely expensive going forwards.
I read it wasnít widely used in the construction of football stadiums, so they should be OK.
Theres asbestos warning signs in some parts of Npton General Hospital. As you say though, just leave it alone. I know someone who back in the day, used to rip the stuff out and cut it up withy an angle grinder! This was a long time ago, hes now in his mid eighties, has only just retired. He doesnt even wear glasses FFS. I am adamant that there was no way that they found all of the asbestos in the bus station, before they blew it up, and the dust went everywhere.
I cannot get my head around using concrete that only has a 30 year life span though. I thought that sort of thing only happened on Mafia controlled construction sites.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2023, 12:07:23 pm »

Theres asbestos warning signs in some parts of Npton General Hospital. As you say though, just leave it alone. I know someone who back in the day, used to rip the stuff out and cut it up withy an angle grinder! This was a long time ago, hes now in his mid eighties, has only just retired. He doesnt even wear glasses FFS. I am adamant that there was no way that they found all of the asbestos in the bus station, before they blew it up, and the dust went everywhere.
I cannot get my head around using concrete that only has a 30 year life span though. I thought that sort of thing only happened on Mafia controlled construction sites.

I dunnoÖthey built a whole football stadium and leisure complex on an area that is clearly slowly sinking, not to mention the toxic gas which provides great natural heating.
Maybe itís finding itís level.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2023, 14:06:35 pm »

Has anyone got any inside knowledge of the status there?
I can understand why they are cancelling performances late on (until the 8th) but no indication of whether they are close to reopening.
They must be getting concerned on cash flow and told customers refunds could take 60 days.

Just didnít know whether any actual building work is taking place there?
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2023, 14:12:57 pm »

Has anyone got any inside knowledge of the status there?
I can understand why they are cancelling performances late on (until the 8th) but no indication of whether they are close to reopening.
They must be getting concerned on cash flow and told customers refunds could take 60 days.

Just didnít know whether any actual building work is taking place there?

They are reopening from mid october.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2023, 14:23:02 pm »

They are reopening from mid october.

Timely press release, they must have heard me.
24th October for Derngate, 16th for Royal.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2023, 14:15:32 pm »

Theres asbestos warning signs in some parts of Npton General Hospital. As you say though, just leave it alone. I know someone who back in the day, used to rip the stuff out and cut it up withy an angle grinder! This was a long time ago, hes now in his mid eighties, has only just retired. He doesnt even wear glasses FFS. I am adamant that there was no way that they found all of the asbestos in the bus station, before they blew it up, and the dust went everywhere.
I cannot get my head around using concrete that only has a 30 year life span though. I thought that sort of thing only happened on Mafia controlled construction sites.

There was a theory back in the 60s-80s that technology would mean any new building would soon be outdated so it would be best to build them with a view to replacement in 20 or so years. I think Euston Station is a good example of that thinking.
This obviously never happened so we are left with these rapidly decaying buildings.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2023, 15:00:26 pm »

There was a theory back in the 60s-80s that technology would mean any new building would soon be outdated so it would be best to build them with a view to replacement in 20 or so years. I think Euston Station is a good example of that thinking.
This obviously never happened so we are left with these rapidly decaying buildings.
Euston is an absolute uncoordinated dump, well known for the punter sprint, where they give you three minutes notice of your platform, and everybody legs it down the ramp shoving the poor ticket checking fella out of the way. I would doubt that was built with the intention of being replaced 20 years later.
Nearby Kings X and St Pancras are an example of what should be done, and also gentrification of the surrounding area. The only downside, was no more visits to the "flying scotsman" pub after a grand day out, down at Fulham.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2023, 15:17:49 pm »

Euston is an absolute uncoordinated dump, well known for the punter sprint, where they give you three minutes notice of your platform, and everybody legs it down the ramp shoving the poor ticket checking fella out of the way. I would doubt that was built with the intention of being replaced 20 years later.
Nearby Kings X and St Pancras are an example of what should be done, and also gentrification of the surrounding area. The only downside, was no more visits to the "flying scotsman" pub after a grand day out, down at Fulham.

I did that sprint every day for three years. An utterly miserable period that I've no intention of repeating. That was 7 years ago and I've only just started being able to go to London for leisure purposes without suffering PTSD.
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