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« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2024, 21:38:37 pm »

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/13136567/premier-league-clubs-to-vote-on-scrapping-var-next-season
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« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2024, 08:55:51 am »

No chance of it being withdrawn- too many vested interests here.
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« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2024, 09:29:42 am »

No chance of it being withdrawn- too many vested interests here.

I think it will help fast track some much needed changes to how it is used. I'm glad we don't have to endure it. Having to wait for muted goal celebrations is getting as bad as rugby.
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« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2024, 15:41:08 pm »

I think it will help fast track some much needed changes to how it is used. I'm glad we don't have to endure it. Having to wait for muted goal celebrations is getting as bad as rugby.

Whilst most (but not all) VAR decisions are correct - itís the delay factor that ruins the flow of the game - for me if the VAR officials need more than 30 seconds to make a decision it should revert back to the pitch officialís original decision.
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« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2024, 15:47:34 pm »

Whilst most (but not all) VAR decisions are correct - it’s the delay factor that ruins the flow of the game - for me if the VAR officials need more than 30 seconds to make a decision it should revert back to the pitch official’s original decision.

Even if it's wrong?
I don't believe that VAR should be binned but the process needs streamlining, although the automated offside system should help speed up that process for next season.  Wink

Not that it's a major concern for us just yet.
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« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2024, 16:06:46 pm »

Even if it's wrong?
I don't believe that VAR should be binned but the process needs streamlining, although the automated offside system should help speed up that process for next season.  Wink

Not that it's a major concern for us just yet.


Yes, my point is if the VAR officials canít confirm the on field officials got it wrong in a short time span it suggests itís marginal and therefore let the game flow at the risk of an occasional error - after all thatís how the game is played in 99.99% of all games
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« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2024, 17:31:06 pm »


Yes, my point is if the VAR officials can’t confirm the on field officials got it wrong in a short time span it suggests it’s marginal and therefore let the game flow at the risk of an occasional error - after all that’s how the game is played in 99.99% of all games

I agree, but when the pundits disect it in their own time and with ultra slow motion, they'll still complain that they didn't spend a bit more time on it "to get it right".
Unfortunately, for those decisions that are subjective, not offside and/or goal line technology, you'll never have 100% agreement.
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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2024, 07:01:22 am »

I hope the automatic offside settles a lot of the issues. I couldn't understand how in a world where complex art, music and written word can be created in seconds by AI how we are relying on blokes drawing dodgy lines on something resembling an Atari.
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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2024, 08:39:47 am »

Just get rid of it..
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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2024, 14:59:55 pm »

Just get rid of it..

The simple solutions are usually the best.
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« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2024, 20:59:13 pm »

Whilst most (but not all) VAR decisions are correct - itís the delay factor that ruins the flow of the game - for me if the VAR officials need more than 30 seconds to make a decision it should revert back to the pitch officialís original decision.

I donít know, the big problem for me is how subjective a lot of the laws are. Is the contact sufficient to give a foul? is the hand in in a natural position? Is the player in an off side position interfering with play? When does careless become reckless become violent?. Would technology be best used just for matter of fact decisions.
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« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2024, 16:41:25 pm »

Would technology be best used just for matter of fact decisions.

Perhaps get rid of the ball altogether and let AI decide the outcome of the match so the bookies know who to give the money to. That's all most matches are to most people.
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« Reply #72 on: May 30, 2024, 15:28:46 pm »

It doesn't stop just because it is the end of the season.

Attempted grab or deliberate elbow?  Tongue
I saw Keane at an airport once and he doesn't have the demeanour of someone you'd want to ask for a selfie.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/roy-keane-arsenal-fight-headbutt-court-emirates-var-b1161096.html

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« Reply #73 on: June 21, 2024, 20:37:40 pm »

Total f*ck up in the French game. The ball had passed the keeper before he flinched. You can always rely on the English officials to screw it up.
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« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2024, 20:47:06 pm »

Total f*ck up in the French game. The ball had passed the keeper before he flinched. You can always rely on the English officials to screw it up.

The referee sat next me has read out the wording of the offence, which basically was to do with the offside player interfering with the ability of the goalkeeper to be able to dive for the ball - interfering with play even if he had no intention of going for the ball.

The lino was right, as was VAR. The "screw up" was the referee not spotting it, which is why you have a linesman and why they have VAR.
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« Reply #75 on: June 21, 2024, 20:50:50 pm »

The referee sat next me has read out the wording of the offence, which basically was to do with the offside player interfering with the ability of the goalkeeper to be able to dive for the ball - interfering with play even if he had no intention of going for the ball.

The lino was right, as was VAR. The "screw up" was the referee not spotting it, which is why you have a linesman and why they have VAR.

But thatís the point. He wasnít interfering. If you watch it on freeze frame the ball was passed him in a split second. No way it prevented a potential save. The screw up was the English VAR.
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« Reply #76 on: June 21, 2024, 21:01:38 pm »

But thatís the point. He wasnít interfering. If you watch it on freeze frame the ball was passed him in a split second. No way it prevented a potential save. The screw up was the English VAR.

Just seen the freeze frame and Shearer is right, his lower foot wasn't in a position to be able to push off to dive. Not something that is a easy quick real time decision, so good job there is VAR, if only they could get it right. 😂
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« Reply #77 on: June 21, 2024, 21:09:55 pm »

Just seen the freeze frame and Shearer is right, his lower foot wasn't in a position to be able to push off to dive. Not something that is a easy quick real time decision, so good job there is VAR, if only they could get it right. 😂


Thatís the frustrating thing. From the initial TV freeze frame you could see the Dutch player was to the side and behind the keeper. Then the ball was struck well beyond any chance of getting to it.
Then they take an absolute ageÖand get it wrong.  Huh
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« Reply #78 on: July 10, 2024, 19:19:01 pm »

Bloody VAR, ruining the game. 😊
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« Reply #79 on: July 10, 2024, 20:11:52 pm »

No clear and obvious error the ref shouldn't even be sent to look at the screen
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