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« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2023, 10:10:19 am »

He's not saying he doesn't have any regrets about things not going our way. He's basically saying there are a lot of examples where things go for or against a team in a season. Hoskins missing a penalty is a prime example of something that went against us. The simple fact is Marvo doesn't like Hoskins and has highlighted his miss. I look forward to his opinions on all the others that have cost us.. Brough is a good example

I don't dislike Hoskins AT ALL, I just like to provide balance. However he may have been injured or replaced earlier that game and somebody else could have stepped up and missed, we'd be having the same debate, it's not about Hoskins, others make it about him, it's about the penalty miss that may or may not affect us later down the road.
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« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2023, 10:10:53 am »

He's not saying he doesn't have any regrets about things not going our way. He's basically saying there are a lot of examples where things go for or against a team in a season. Hoskins missing a penalty is a prime example of something that went against us. The simple fact is Marvo doesn't like Hoskins and has highlighted his miss. I look forward to his opinions on all the others that have cost us.. Brough is a good example
No, he brought in a bizarre example of whataboutism..."if my auntie had bollocks..." which again states that he doesn't accept the premise of regret or counter-factual.
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« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2023, 10:11:09 am »

Charming. So you bring up bullying but then start insulting the intelligence of your fellow supporters instead of sticking to the debate.

Also, if I'm in such a minority, how do I become the bully?

Note: You may be right, I never went to university so wouldn't qualify.
Canít have a laugh on here anymore.
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« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2023, 10:15:50 am »

I don't dislike Hoskins AT ALL, I just like to provide balance. However he may have been injured or replaced earlier that game and somebody else could have stepped up and missed, we'd be having the same debate, it's not about Hoskins, others make it about him, it's about the penalty miss that may or may not affect us later down the road.
Looks like you will just have to accept some wonít agree with you. Never mind if he hits the post next week it will add more weight to the argument, unless the opposition hit the post in which case will this cancel it out. If so if they miss a penalty will that cancel out Hoskins penalty or is it only his misdemeanours that qualify, not being confrontational, Iím. Just not clear on the rules?
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« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2023, 10:16:34 am »

To just try to settle the dust a bit. I don't think there is a wrong or right here. Because we are arguing at different ends of the spectrum. By missing a penalty, it hindered our chances, but that is only one of many factors that impact on the overall outcome. But equally, it is only important in terms of saying "if only".  Where we have a clash is between the, it makes a huge difference brigade. And the, "move on and consign it to the past brigade". There is no common ground to be had.

But the fact that something happened that could have made a difference. Certainly makes it relevant. But irreversible.

And stop chatting shyte about bullying, unless you wish to report something. Beds/Dave would be pi$$ing himself reading that.
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« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2023, 10:18:57 am »

Bad weather for golfing, babyís bored  Wink
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« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2023, 10:30:52 am »

I don't play golf in the winter, unless I'm abroad. It's not actually about being bored though, it's about having the time to reply or getting involved. I enjoy the debate when I have the time.
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« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2023, 10:33:01 am »

There is definitely a boredom factor on the lack of genuine football discussion to be had....

The main difference on penalties is that it is recorded and recognised as a genuine opportunity to score (c75%, so failing to score isn't really a major shock), as opposed to golden chances from open play with similar success rates. I'm sure him and others have missed plenty of those. That is before you start on howlers at the back from the defenders and goalies. Midfield is the place to be, unless you cough up possession that leads to a goal.
I wonder if any statto's have/could get Hoskin's success rate from the spot? We can then know in advance when he is likely to miss the next one.  Tongue

Whatever your view on Marvo, he gets people talking, a bit like ol' Delboy.
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« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2023, 10:36:02 am »

Charming. So you bring up bullying but then start insulting the intelligence of your fellow supporters instead of sticking to the debate.

Also, if I'm in such a minority, how do I become the bully?

Note: You may be right, I never went to university so wouldn't qualify.

You should apply for Mastermind. Those Cobblers Stats and several reads through Frank Grande's book and you should be able to nail the Specialist Subject section.
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« Reply #69 on: November 21, 2023, 10:42:24 am »

Turning points fascinate me and for some reason stay in the mind. I'll give you an example about two sending offs. One that took place, one that didn't.

No 1) Rushden & Diamonds away. it's 2-2, injury time and Billy Sharp breaks from the half-way line, Luke Chambers could and perhaps should have brought him down. I believe the manager hinted at it afterwards. He would have got sent off but we'd have got the draw. He didn't, Sharpe scored and we lost.

No 2) Nottingham Forest at home in Calderwood's return. McGleish stupidly got himself sent off. Our 10 men put up a valiant effort but we lost 0-1. What might have been.
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« Reply #70 on: November 21, 2023, 10:47:27 am »

Charming. So you bring up bullying but then start insulting the intelligence of your fellow supporters instead of sticking to the debate.

Also, if I'm in such a minority, how do I become the bully?

Note: You may be right, I never went to university so wouldn't qualify.
Hilarious, my intellect is being challenged by someone who pretends he lives in Australia 😂
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« Reply #71 on: November 21, 2023, 10:48:02 am »

You should apply for Mastermind. Those Cobblers Stats and several reads through Frank Grande's book and you should be able to nail the Specialist Subject section.

Nah, I have a terrible memory. If ever I answer a question without checking, I'm invariably wrong. The older I get, the more mistakes I make.

I am quite proud of the stats I put on here though, you wont find that information anywhere else on the internet and my hope is people will still find them useful long after I have departed this forum/world.
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« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2023, 10:54:34 am »

It's all rather pointless really as you could point at most games and say what if

What if Hoskins had not scored at Tranmere in the final game of last season, it would have made absolutely no difference. So when he scores it makes no difference but missing the penalty at Shrewsbury (only the 2nd he has ever missed) makes a difference.

Talking of Shrewsbury, if it had not been for Pat Gavin's arse in 1993 we would have been relegated from the EFL.

If it wasn't for Lee Burge's excellent form last season we would not have got promoted      but
If Lee Burge had not been at fault for several goals this season we would have been higher than 13th so his errors have cost us more than Hoskin's penalty miss.

If we had not lost at home to Fulham in 1966 we would have maintained our place in the top flight for at least another season.

If George Best had failed to score in the FA Cup game when Man Utd beat us 8-2 we would have drawn 2-2 and had a replay at Old Trafford.

If Mr and Mrs Hoskins had given birth to a girl instead of a boy Samantha would be playing for our ladies team.

I could go on and on and according to my wife I sometimes do but as the saying goes "if ifs and and were pots and pans there would be no need for tinkers".
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« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2023, 11:04:09 am »

It's all rather pointless really as you could point at most games and say what if

What if Hoskins had not scored at Tranmere in the final game of last season, it would have made absolutely no difference. So when he scores it makes no difference but missing the penalty at Shrewsbury (only the 2nd he has ever missed) makes a difference.

Talking of Shrewsbury, if it had not been for Pat Gavin's arse in 1993 we would have been relegated from the EFL.

If it wasn't for Lee Burge's excellent form last season we would not have got promoted      but
If Lee Burge had not been at fault for several goals this season we would have been higher than 13th so his errors have cost us more than Hoskin's penalty miss.

If we had not lost at home to Fulham in 1966 we would have maintained our place in the top flight for at least another season.

If George Best had failed to score in the FA Cup game when Man Utd beat us 8-2 we would have drawn 2-2 and had a replay at Old Trafford.

If Mr and Mrs Hoskins had given birth to a girl instead of a boy Samantha would be playing for our ladies team.

I could go on and on and according to my wife I sometimes do but as the saying goes "if ifs and and were pots and pans there would be no need for tinkers".

It's just a debate, a talking point. This is a forum which was set up for people to talk and debate about all things Cobblers.

Your posts (like my stats) about previous matches are all fairly pointless too but people enjoy reading them so why not. What do you suggest people talk about on this forum? How many posts would have been made today without this discussion? What would you prefer, click on the site, see there were no posts since you clicked on yesterday and move on? I really don't understand some of you.
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« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2023, 11:06:02 am »

Look, joking aside the way I look at it is that itís unrealistic that a player will score every penalty he takes. So whilst itís factually correct that every miss may cost you points itís inevitable that a player will miss some. Given that each team has a specialist penalty taker, I prefer to look at it that if a player converts better than average heís probably gaining points rather than losing them. However, when all said and done both are reasonable perspectives, itís just down to which you prefer. If someone looks at it another way you canít really argue. I will say though that I hope Hoskins doesnít read this forum, heíll probably never score from the spot again.
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« Reply #75 on: November 21, 2023, 11:08:15 am »

Hilarious, my intellect is being challenged by someone who pretends he lives in Australia 😂
The next time you come over me and you are meeting up mate, Chapel Street or Southbank you decide?
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« Reply #76 on: November 21, 2023, 11:10:36 am »

In light of todayís events, Hoskins is most definitely ďNOT GUILTYĒ  Evil
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« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2023, 11:35:05 am »

Are you likening Hoskins to Mackintosh and Grossman?

Just another 1, if we had increased our ground capacity years ago the redevelopment thread would not now have reached 2069 pages, what a lot of time that would have saved some of our posters.
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« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2023, 11:37:23 am »

You should apply for Mastermind. Those Cobblers Stats and several reads through Frank Grande's book and you should be able to nail the Specialist Subject section.

Already been done, years ago. Anybody know him. I don't recognise him.

https://youtu.be/p1wUAUHIzVs?si=Gozdwb38b4rbVtmA
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« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2023, 11:39:27 am »

Already been done, years ago. Anybody know him. I don't recognise him.

https://youtu.be/p1wUAUHIzVs?si=Gozdwb38b4rbVtmA

That's a poster 'DYL' from memory and didn't he do well?! You might say you knew a lot of the answers but being in that chair must be next level!
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